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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:09:52 PM
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saved9201
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Yeah, I think it’s extremely sad that in this day age, such a thing isn’t seen as the epitome of racism, which it is. Indeed, this is the essence of racism, the depiction of certain groups of people as being less than people – and it should be seen as believers as an affront not only to blacks, but an offense to God Himself because it depicts those made in his image as common animals. It borders on the demonic.
It rather saddens me that those who strongly disagree with Obama politically (of whom I’m one) can’t rally to his defense as a person, and strongly condemn in no uncertain words people who would do such a thing. It’s shameful, ignorant, and repugnant, and that man should be held up as an example of the worst of us.
Unfortunately, in this day and age the personal and political are seen as one and the
same, and so this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:20:09 PM
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It rather saddens me that those who strongly disagree with Obama politically (of whom I’m one) can’t rally to his defense as a person, and strongly condemn in no uncertain words people who would do such a thing. It’s shameful, ignorant, and repugnant, and that man should be held up as an example of the worst of us.
If you see this shirt as racist then just do not give it any power. If it is intended as racist and you go on and on and make a big deal about it, then you give them power over you (and obama), you are a victim.
That is standing up for Obama.
And it is just a shirt a stupid, does not matter shirt. Where is all the outrage over black children being hunted down and shot over their race?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:26:57 PM
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The media, by sensationalizing (and adding its bias) helps sell its agenda to the "masses" who, rather than investigating anything for themselves, will take CNN's soundbites for gospel truth and go back to their video games and iPods. It's a shame.
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Historically, the race, country, whatever, that has the most power views itself as superior. It has been this way since civilization began. Examine the views posed by the ancient Egyptians, the Romans, the Saxons, etc. Racism is a by-product of power. Here in America the power base has shifted considerably in the past 40 years. I think racism on the whole has been reduced significantly, but the media has a fascination with sensationalizing any conflict and making it appear more than it really is. That does not excuse racism at all, but this slant is aggravating the situation and pushing us backwards in the healing process.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:28:03 PM
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Where is all the outrage over black children being hunted down and shot over their race?
Well, it's not the topic of this thread.
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If you see this shirt as racist then just do not give it any power. If it is intended as racist and you go on and on and make a big deal about it, then you give them power over you (and obama), you are a victim.
I don't get it.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:31:00 PM
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I don't get it.
That is part of the problem
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:44:05 PM
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You could try explaining.
How are we victims for believing that shirt is racist?
Pointing out a truth is empowering.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:45:23 PM
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The media, by sensationalizing (and adding its bias) helps sell its agenda to the "masses" who, rather than investigating anything for themselves, will take CNN's soundbites for gospel truth...
-Dave
If I substitute "Foxnews'" or "Sean Hannity's" for "CNN's" in the above post, would it still be true?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:50:26 PM
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If I substitute "Foxnews'" or "Sean Hannity's" for "CNN's" in the above post, would it still be true?
Hey! don't go knocking Foxnews. 
This is off topic but they did get rated as being most fair to all the candidates. Sean Hannity is another story
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 4:56:02 PM
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How are we victims for believing that shirt is racist?
If someone is trying to get a rise out of you and you rise, you are not in control, they are. It is just a stupid shirt and they won.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 5:36:23 PM
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Slur - To talk about disparagingly or insultingly.
This may be the word's literal definition, but not its classic context, which is one one in which I use the word "slur."
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So have you or have you not made slurs against Bush outside of his politics?
No more or less than I have any other president during my lifetime. In fact, as a kid I distinctly recall drawing a cartoon of Jimmy Carter for a grade-school art class depicting him as a dancing clown.
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So you're comparing Obama to an ape?
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No a cartoon character
Who just so happens to be an ape. Way to split hairs.
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You still have shown no proof of racism
If you cannot recognize the obvious for what it is--in this case, the shirt design being a racist slam on Obama--then I can't help you.
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Key word in this, history. Some of us are leaving it behind while you wallow in it
Call me crazy, but history is a great tool for creating perspective on how far we've come as a country and society. Plus, anyone who thinks that racism--and I just don't mean white vs black varieties--is a distant memory in America is asleep at the wheel.
What do you think the thrust of the Obama '08 shirt is? It's that America has not progressed on a racial level as much as most people would like to think. Is that not relevant? Or would you rather such ugliness go ignored?
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As you have proven not everyone has as much common sense as I do, and yes it is a hardship.
You are truly embarassing yourself.
It's a wonder you have the strength to get out of bed in the morning for living in such a cruel society which does not think in lockstep with yourself.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 5:40:32 PM
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Who was the "ape baboon of the prairie"? Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln was frequently compared to a monkey, an ape, and an "ape baboon" if such a thing is possible.
I already pointed this out.
But Lincoln was compared to an ape by (white) cartoonists of his era for his gawky appearance, not because he was white.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 5:49:53 PM
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And there ya go. Oppose Obama and you are a racist.
Are you deliberately obtuse, sir? I mean it. Are you?
Because I have yet to see anyone on this thread (or hear anyone else offline) suggest that disliking Obama or his politics automatically makes one a racist. And anyone who would make such an asinine claim is, IMO, a dingbat (to put it mildly) who is not worth listening to anyhow.
The whole point of this thread is to discuss what most feel was a gutter slam (via classic racist imagery) against the first African-American with a genuine chance to be elected president.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 5:52:05 PM
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If someone is trying to get a rise out of you and you rise, you are not in control, they are. It is just a stupid shirt and they won.
So the best way to deal with racism is to ignore it? Tell that to the people on the receiving end of it.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 5:56:13 PM
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Did someone come out and ADMIT that the INTENT was a "racial slur" or, did everyone just assume that?
What else was this guy's intent? There are only two possibilities here: either the person selling the Obama '08 shirt is an unabashed racist, or bafflingly ignorant.
Either way, it's stomach turning.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:01:24 PM
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Well I figure that horse thieves would have more to be concerned about nooses than blacks; as many more of rustlers were strung up that those of the negroid race.
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"The negroid race?"
Good Lord....
Sir, do have even the slightest fragment of racial sensitivity toward others?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:10:34 PM
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"The negroid race?"
Good Lord....
Sir, do have even the slightest fragment of racial sensitivity toward others?
JUst trying to use the correct verbage and you still gripe;
Ne·groid (nç'groid')
adj. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as brown to black pigmentation and often tightly curled hair and including peoples indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa.
n. A member of this racial classification.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:14:02 PM
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Ironically, I saw a kid in a store last weekend wearing a t-shirt portraying Bush as a chimp.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:14:38 PM
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Yeah, I think it’s extremely sad that in this day age, such a thing isn’t seen as the epitome of racism, which it is. Indeed, this is the essence of racism, the depiction of certain groups of people as being less than people – and it should be seen as believers as an affront not only to blacks, but an offense to God Himself because it depicts those made in his image as common animals. It borders on the demonic.
It rather saddens me that those who strongly disagree with Obama politically (of whom I’m one) can’t rally to his defense as a person, and strongly condemn in no uncertain words people who would do such a thing. It’s shameful, ignorant, and repugnant, and that man should be held up as an example of the worst of us.
Unfortunately, in this day and age the personal and political are seen as one and the
same, and so this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Jack, if I could give you stars I would.
I could scream from the roof tops just what you have said... (and in fact bumbled around trying to  ) and it is simply viewed as "liberalism".
I hope that some of the single minded (ie conservatism = good, Christian, Republican, etc....) can see now that an issue or view point on ONE thing does not automatically assign political party, faith...etc.
I am so over people choosing to believe what they think I feel and mean..... rather than what I say and do.
Given a short descriptive list of my "labels" and I daresay many here would form an incorrect assumption and run with it. It has happened more than once.
And one more thing:
I do not care if you find ONE "__________" who wasn't offended.....
I don not care if you find ONE "___________" who said it was okay.....
I do not care if you find ONE "____________" that agrees with an aggregious mindset.
Or even one "_________" too dimwitted to see the offense.
Just because one (few) people in a group go against the experiences common to the majority: It DOES NOT negate the validity of other folks experiences.
Not only have many of the posters on this board that identify themselves as Black said that the T-shirt is offensive......many that are of other races have given a supportive word, too.
Your singular experience cannot negate the multiple, common experience of many. Your singular reality just hasn't come into contact with the broader experience. The absence of that contact DOES NOTmean that the common experience of many is a lie, or PC or playing victim.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:14:47 PM
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Poor fella who made the shirt dint mean nothing by it.
"Poor fella"? So Mike Norman is the victim here?
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Get over it.
Right, because the best way to deal with racism (of any sort) is to turn one's back on it.
If you woke up at 2AM to a flaming cross planted in your yard, what would you do? Ignore it and go back to bed?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:20:10 PM
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If you see this shirt as racist then just do not give it any power. If it is intended as racist and you go on and on and make a big deal about it, then you give them power over you (and obama), you are a victim.
That is standing up for Obama.
1. Are you incapable of separating the two? Deeming the shirt racist does not mean that you are an Obama supporter.
2. The shirt has no power over my ability to call it what it is. The shirt has no power over stopping me from attempting to change the ignorance, malaise and malice that this country suffers from within race relations. To be quiet would mean that many would be taught the perpetuating ignorance and rudeness, and a complicit furthering of racial divisions.
3. And further more: I am not a victim. I am more than a conqueror, in Jesus' name! He has given me eternal life, worth and the ability to use my voice! And so I SHALL not go quietly and just shut up.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:20:43 PM
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Yup, THIS was the graphic I saw.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:22:16 PM
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JUst trying to use the correct verbage and you still gripe;
Ne·groid (nç'groid')
adj. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as brown to black pigmentation and often tightly curled hair and including peoples indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa.
n. A member of this racial classification.
I think the literal use of "negroid" to describe black Americans was most common during the Civil War, which (if no one told you) ended 150 years ago.
But please go ahead: refer to the next black person you see as a "negroid." I'm sure he or she will be delighted with the term.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:25:06 PM
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Ironically, I saw a kid in a store last weekend wearing a t-shirt portraying Bush as a chimp.
I've seen photos online comparing President Bush to a chimp for most of his time in office.
Here is a whole array of George Bush photos next to chimps with similar facial expressions. (one of them is even a Curious George doll.)
Is that racist? Are we to assume that whoever made that array is saying that all white people are sub-human apes? Heck, there's a whole website devoted to the question "George W. Bush or Chimpanzee?" I don't recall any shocked news stories over any of these comparisons.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:25:08 PM
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If someone is trying to get a rise out of you and you rise, you are not in control, they are. It is just a stupid shirt and they won.
No. If someone offends you.... you correct them.
If you teach them something, you win. Society wins.
Reminds me of an old saying that was common in describing the personality attributes of slaves, sharecroppers, freemen years ago. The ones that bore the heavy racism, bigotry and hate quietly with docility and strength... were the "good ones'.
Telling me personally.... to be quiet, ignore it is the same as asking me to be a "good ___________".
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