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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/28/2008 1:14:30 PM
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tracydolls
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That's excellent and that is how it should be. Unfortunately many of us who claim to have an affiliation within the body of Christ seem to be more loyal to flawed candidates, flawed political party's and even a flawed country.
You forgot flawed world!
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/28/2008 1:39:01 PM
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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?
I haven't decided whom I'm voting for and am not registered to any party...just curious...
Peace and God bless,
How can a person who claims to love Christ believe they can support a person who supports the murder of unborn children at the same time... Serving two masters...
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As I said, I'm undecided.
I guess that's a yes, then, from you?
Peace and God bless,
I am merely posing the question... If anyone feels they can support mass murder and be a Christian that is their personal dilemma.
John
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/28/2008 1:41:57 PM
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The only candidate who is serious about abortion is Chuck Baldwin. How can christians who love christ honestly ridicule and critique other christians for saying they support the only candidate who wants to abolish abortion? Yet they do.
Who are you speaking of?
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There are other issues besides abortion. I'm absolutely disgusted with an administration that would higher a group of thugs like Blackwater who would murder innocent Iraqi's for no apparent reason and get off with it. I'm disgusted over an administration that would intentionally fabricate and spin a war. (link here I'm thoroughly sick and tired of a party that claimed for my entire life that they were conservative and were fiscally responsible yet for 6 years they set record after record after record for number of earmarks, number of pork barrel spending addons to legislation, number of dollars for pork in each budget, worst deficits and coincidentally the dollar is eroded about 50% of what it was when Dubya took office.
It's real easy to overlook abortion when dealing with a lifetime of lies and sleaze from the so called party of "christians and Matt Foley and Larry Craig" that ran the government for 6 of the last 7.5 years.
You must be pretty tall to overlook the mountain of dead unborn children...
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/28/2008 1:45:42 PM
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The only people that are going to hell are those that reject the gift of the cross...period. If any of those who happen to vote for Obama (or Clinton, or McCain, or Barr, or Bozo) have rejected that gift, then, yes, they're going to hell. What's so hard to understand and who's making a different statement? Who is even alluding to something different?
I think the point many are attempting to hammer in is that many of the things that some of the candidates stand for are inconsistent with the Christian life. That's about as deep as it gets!
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Since that’s the case and I am not saying I disagree with you, but what is the reason some of us are so loyal to some of these candidates? If we look at Senators McCain, Clinton and Obama all 3 have stood by policies that are and still inconsistent with Christian life. Let’s go deeper, why are some of us so loyal to our various political parties? The big 2 are both guilty of sinful behavior and un-Christian like policies. Are we ranking the sins when it come to people we don’t like or agree with politically?
You got me. Personally, I'm looking for candidates that are Christians. It's slim pickins for sure. I voted for Huckabee myself. As for being loyal, I'm only loyal to Christ...I don't give that loyalty to a mere man. Human beings will disappoint every time! But I do feel we have a responsibility to vote so we have to do the best we can, with the Lord's leading. And, remember people...it's not us, but God that raises up leaders! We prayerfully vote, seeking His will for our choice, then the results are up to Him.
So it's really a moot conversation, isn't it? 
That's excellent and that is how it should be. Unfortunately many of us who claim to have an affiliation within the body of Christ seem to be more loyal to flawed candidates, flawed political party's and even a flawed country.
Or looking for relief(justification) to vote for people who support mass murder...
John
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/28/2008 1:54:56 PM
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Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I would say support none of these.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/28/2008 4:41:12 PM
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In most discussions on abortion, the left tends to cry "You can't legislate morality!", conveniently overlooking the fact that they are in fact legislating morality, their own, in going to such great lengths to make sure the murder of unborn babies remains legal for any reason, and throughout all nine months of pregnancy.
Somebody else on this thread cried about pro-lifers not adopting these babies. Oooookay. But so many on the left, Bill Clinton among them, say they would like to see abortion safe, legal, AND RARE. So shouldn't they be equally willing to adopt some of these abortion targeted children to keep abortion "rare"? Or does the double standard become too apparent here?
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 12:53:42 AM
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Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I would say support none of these.
You are arguing out of context, as the issue here is not the spiritual consequences of sin. Would you argue that a person that lies about his taxes should be given the same judgment in a court of law as a person that cuts a 6 month old baby into pieces? If you say no, then in response, in the context in which you are arguing above, one could point out how the Bible shows that murderers and liars have the same spiritual consequence and, therefore, should receive the same courtroom judgment.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 12:55:50 AM
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You must be pretty tall to overlook the mountain of dead unborn children...
I can't see over the mountain chain of Iraqi refugees and dead Iraqi's.
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Who are you speaking of?
Chuck Baldwin.
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Third Party votes help Obama - 5/29/2008 2:44:32 AM
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The only candidate who is serious about abortion is Chuck Baldwin. How can christians who love christ honestly ridicule and critique other christians for saying they support the only candidate who wants to abolish abortion? Yet they do.
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Who are you speaking of?
Chuck Baldwin.
He is the constitution party candidate that will take a couple thousand votes away from McCain and help Obama win.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 5:19:36 AM
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You are arguing out of context, as the issue here is not the spiritual consequences of sin. Would you argue that a person that lies about his taxes should be given the same judgment in a court of law as a person that cuts a 6 month old baby into pieces? If you say no, then in response, in the context in which you are arguing above, one could point out how the Bible shows that murderers and liars have the same spiritual consequence and, therefore, should receive the same courtroom judgment.
I said support none of the above. If we are basing it on Biblical Principles.
Then don't just use one. Use the whole Bible. People say they cannot vote for a person that supports abortion. OK. I can understand that. But then have that same attitude about people that die wrongly on death row.
Vote for people that are gonna help the poor, etc.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 7:17:57 AM
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He is the constitution party candidate that will take a couple thousand votes away from McCain and help Obama win.
Dead last on my list is McCain. I'd vote for a yellow dog before I'd vote for McCain.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 10:50:59 AM
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You are arguing out of context, as the issue here is not the spiritual consequences of sin. Would you argue that a person that lies about his taxes should be given the same judgment in a court of law as a person that cuts a 6 month old baby into pieces? If you say no, then in response, in the context in which you are arguing above, one could point out how the Bible shows that murderers and liars have the same spiritual consequence and, therefore, should receive the same courtroom judgment.
I said support none of the above. If we are basing it on Biblical Principles.
Then don't just use one. Use the whole Bible. People say they cannot vote for a person that supports abortion. OK. I can understand that. But then have that same attitude about people that die wrongly on death row.
Not that abortion and the death penalty compare, but out of curiosity, which candidate(s) support(s) eliminating the death penalty?
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 11:49:02 AM
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He is the constitution party candidate that will take a couple thousand votes away from McCain and help Obama win.
Dead last on my list is McCain. I'd vote for a yellow dog before I'd vote for McCain.
Vote for the yellow dog. It has the same chance as winning as Chuck Baldwin.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 12:16:03 PM
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You must be pretty tall to overlook the mountain of dead unborn children...
I can't see over the mountain chain of Iraqi refugees and dead Iraqi's.
The deaths in Iraq(a war that I don't support) are a speed bump compared to abortion...
John
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 12:25:53 PM
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Vote for the yellow dog. It has the same chance as winning as Chuck Baldwin.
Lol! I figure everyone would vote for Snuffles. ; )
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/29/2008 11:45:47 PM
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Jurors and judges punish murderers by executing them, not governors.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299917,00.html
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WASHINGTON — President Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the state's execution of a Mexican national for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.
I wish we could get someone that does not support the War, doesnt support abortions or the death penalty!
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/30/2008 1:03:57 PM
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I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers, that they can pretty much run a yellow dog against any democratic candidate and win the pro-life evangelical Christian vote. I believe that will be true in this election even if McCain chooses a pro-choice running mate (several are reportedly on his short list). The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause by labeling those even thinking of voting for a democrat as un-Christian baby slaughters themselves. And those thinking about voting for a solidly pro-life third party candidate are also labeled as un-Christian baby slaughterers because they would help the baby murdering party win. So once again, to many pro-life Christians, they feel they have no choice but to vote republican, or else the blood of billions and billions of precious little innocents will be on their hands.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/30/2008 1:49:31 PM
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Hey, guess what!! Bush ain't runnin'!! Just thought you'd like to know.
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/12/america/NA-POL-US-Obama-Death-Penalty.php
I'm not a Bo Supporter, but.....
I can't vote for someone who has a atrocious death penalty record. ie Bush as Texas Gov.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/30/2008 1:53:20 PM
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What do dead Iraqis have to do with Obama and abortion? Curious minds want to know.
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You must be pretty tall to overlook the mountain of dead unborn children...
I can't see over the mountain chain of Iraqi refugees and dead Iraqi's.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/30/2008 2:06:33 PM
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Jurors and judges punish murderers by executing them, not governors.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299917,00.html
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WASHINGTON — President Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the state's execution of a Mexican national for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.
I wish we could get someone that does not support the War, doesnt support abortions or the death penalty!
The bible is quite clear that the punishment for murder is death...
John
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/30/2008 2:07:56 PM
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I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers,
No need to paint it, its that color already...
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RE: Why no solutions? - 5/30/2008 2:17:51 PM
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I think the GOP realizes that as long as they continue to paint the democratic party as the party of baby murderers,
No need to paint it, its that color already...
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The GOP knows it can rely on some of the good people here at Crosswalk to help it's cause...
I rest my case.
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