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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/8/2009 6:15:30 PM
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Hi Shallbe, if you know Alwaysr8chel, she has a pet rat. She really enjoys having him too!
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/8/2009 7:33:06 PM
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Cool! I'll have to look her up. I haven't run across her a lot, but I do know the name. And didn't she attend the GT before the one you and I attended last year?
I think she was in the pics, anyway.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/8/2009 7:34:56 PM
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Yes, she was at the first GT. She is a cool person too! 
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/17/2009 6:27:42 PM
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Story time batty peeps...
Once upon a time, about 18 years ago or so, I became a sometime/amateur potter. I had read an article in a magazine that piqued my interest, checked out the local college and discovered that they offered pottery classes, and signed up. Over the course of probably three semesters, I discovered a love for clay and the process of throwing pots. The oldest two kids were about 10 and 8, and I would take them with me to the pottery studio on campus. They would play outside or watch me work (if you've ever seen someone throwing a pot on a wheel, you know how fascinating it can be).
I eventually made enough pottery in those classes to set up my own booth at a craft fair in what is now my small town of residence: at the time I didn't live here, but my parents did (still do) and I knew about this craft fair which they have regularly. So I took a vacation to momma's and set up my pottery booth with the help of my husband and my father.
The fair went well, and I sold many things and even received a commission for some coffee cups.
I quit doing pottery when my husband got transferred away from the town where I was taking the classes and had access to the pottery studio (pottery is not a hobby for those who have small houses and no money!). I also became pregnant. My husband moved to the new city, and I remained at home until the baby came. The rest of us moved a few days after her birth (that would be GP3).
6 years later my husband was killed, and two years after that we moved here. We've been here since 2001.
Today GP1 and I visited the florists shop in town to discuss flowers for the wedding. I love going in there because they always have all kinds of vases, bowls and pots. One caught my eye.
If you have ever been a potter or ceramicist, you know that it is almost impossible to keep your hands off of a pot that you can tell has been hand made. Not only is it a pleasure to put your hands on the pot, but it is a matter of interest to know if you are a better potter than the person who made that particular pot...there are ways of telling quality by the feel.
So I naturally walked over to the pot and picked it up.
It felt so familiar that I immediately wanted to know what potter might have made it, so I turned it over to look at the bottom.
Potters sign their works on the bottoms of their pots. Many of them have some little design they engrave into their pots that is recognized as their distinctive mark.
Imagine my shock and surprise when I turned over the pot to find my own name and design in the bottom of the pot!!!
Apparently someone had bought it all those many years ago at the craft fair. After talking to the lady who was waiting on us, (who seemed at first as if she didn't really believe my story that the pot was one I had made) she said that the shop had recently purchased a bunch of floral supplies from a lady who had to go to live in a rest home, and that's where the pot had come from.
I bought the pot, of course. 
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/17/2009 7:13:31 PM
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That is totally cool! What a great story!
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/19/2009 1:23:40 PM
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Story time batty peeps...
THat was awesome!!!
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/19/2009 2:42:27 PM
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Story time batty peeps...
THat was awesome!!!
Wasn't it?
You know, I try not to think of events in terms of "signs" or "omens". But this one...I wouldn't necessarily say that it means something specific, but it is a great comfort and encouragement to me that God is really in control of EVERYTHING. And He does, at least sometimes, mean to bless us with things that are not only good for us, but happy good things TO us as well.
Thanks for reading.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/21/2009 5:08:10 PM
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Hi Shallbe, that is really cool!
Hi Shema, I hope things go better for you.
Hi Terri and FB!
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/23/2009 10:59:14 PM
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You know, I try not to think of events in terms of "signs" or "omens". But this one...I wouldn't necessarily say that it means something specific, but it is a great comfort and encouragement to me that God is really in control of EVERYTHING. And He does, at least sometimes, mean to bless us with things that are not only good for us, but happy good things TO us as well.
Thanks for reading.
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I feel like my life is FILLED with signs from God!
My favorite is every time I see a red bird...I feel like my G'ma is watching over me...and a blue bird...my G'pa (those were their favorite birds...we used to watch them out the sunroom window). Sometimes it makes me feel 'prayed over' and sometimes it makes me think I'm probably not making the choices that they would approve of...and THAT would make them pray over me more! 
But I also think God sends me litte signs to keep me on His path when I'm confused or worried. Getting my full tax refund this year at a totally unexpected time (just felt God tell me to check my mailbox on a Sunday nite) was a sign that He is my Provider and I was to 'keep the faith' when I was really struggling.
I know not everyone shares this perspective...just thought I'd share. Cuz I totally would've taken finding your pot as a sign that you are talented and people value what you do. (I'm thinking specifically to one of the things you asked me to put on my prayer list for you this week, my friend.)
Thanks for that...both the prayers and the information. Sometimes it's not what I do that I feel is questioned: more like what I am. I have often had the thought that I'm just a "wrong" person. What I do is not necessarily wrong, though often it is. But who/what I am is wrong.
That is what causes so much pain and leads to an ungodly sort of depression. And because I have that thought process, it's easy for me to take someone else's unscriptural standard and apply it to myself to prove the hypothesis.
Silly. But recognizing the problem is part of the solution.
As far as signs go...I am careful with them because I am apt to take them to unscriptural lengths, and believe they mean things that God doesn't intend. Then when I don't get what I thought they portended, I get mad at him in my disappointment when the fault is really with me.
In this case, however...what I see that ministers to my heart is that God isn't done with me...and while there's still a lot of painful carving he needs to do on me to make me more like him, there's also some happy things he has planned for me.
Which is very, very good news. I've often wondered in the last 3 or 4 years if everything that happens to me for the rest of my life is going to hurt. This pot returning to me (though I had to buy it back--and isn't THAT a metaphor to ponder???) means to me that although for now things hurt, even the "happy" things...there's every reason to believe that God still has some plans for happiness for me to which no sorrow is added.
It doesn't mean, however, that a particular certain thing that I want will happen...(like being blessed with a second husband). It means just what I said above and no more. There is hope that there are some unmitigated blessings still in store for me.
Some time.
In the future.
If I can hang on long enough.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/26/2009 10:48:34 AM
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Are you lonely?
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Live. Do laundry, work, go to church, go grocery shopping, work on the computer. etc.
Loneliness is not a temporary state, it's a constant characteristic of my life
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He gives me hope that it's not permanent
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Does being lonely and others not see it, hurt you more, less, or indifferent? Do you think they care? Or are they like bystanders just watching as the world goes by?
So far I've not met anyone who is a match for me. The other folks opinions don't really matter. Some know I am lonely, some don't. But since none of them can solve the issue I don't look to them for a solution.
I was married for 18 years. During that time I learned what not being alone means. Now I will be alone, even when surrounded by people giving me attention, until I find the next Mrs O. That's just the way it is.
John, will you forgive me for copying your post???
There's no reason for me to write my answers when John voiced them exactly.
I have a post I'm working on on the subject, though, which I will post in my PFY (see sig for link) when I have time. It will contain an encouraging story and probably just some some random thoughts and heart barf, if you're interested.
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A thread had been started asking about loneliness. Here is my post, which copies another post…
Just a few days before this thread started, I had been thinking about loneliness, and how I was experiencing it and how I would describe the pain of it to someone else. When John_O wrote his post, it described my feelings exactly, except that it didn’t go far enough in some ways. The post also made me ask myself some questions:
1) What was left out? In what way did it not go far enough? Presently I shall wax poetic (and probably uncomfortably honest) about this.
2) Will there always be an empty place in my heart where MJJ used to be?? Will marriage to another wonderful man make that lonely place go away? Or will it always remain, but maybe with less of an ache? Anybody reading this who has had more than one spouse is encouraged to answer…I’d like to have an idea what to expect.
3) As a Christian, why is loneliness such a big factor for me? Should it be? If not, what is the right way to respond to it? What lies am I believing that make it hard, or what truth have I ignored that will make it easier? Is it hindering my availability and fruitfulness to the Lord?
4) I was reminded of a personal experience that might help to answer #3, and may encourage readers.
I will address these in separate posts since most readers of this PFY prefer shorter posts to longer ones.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/26/2009 10:51:56 AM
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1) What was left out? In what way did it not go far enough? Presently I shall wax poetic (and probably uncomfortably honest) about this.
There is a part of the story in the trilogy The Lord of the Rings that explains how this particular type of loneliness affects me. One of the main characters, Frodo, was once stabbed by a certain type of magical knife. The pain at the time of the stabbing was not only physical, but also somewhat mental. After the stabbing, he is cared for by Elves who have great healing powers, but for a time he does not recover in spite of their skill. Then it is discovered that the type of knife with which he was stabbed had the peculiar property of leaving a small sliver of its poisoned self inside the wound. The sliver was working its way ever deeper into his body, toward his heart.
Once the Elves discovered and removed it, Frodo began to recover. But he was never again the same; and at certain seasons the wound, though healed, would pain him very much, so that he became distracted, frightened and focused on torturous mental images.
For me, this loneliness feels a lot like that. The stab was when MJJ was killed. But for me, the sliver has never been removed, and it is still painfully making its way toward my heart. At times the pain becomes so intense that it takes a major effort of will to remain focused on this world and the things I must accomplish here. I fear that if nothing happens to halt the progress of that poisoned tine, it will eventually work its way deeper into my body, where the tiniest pressure of it will pierce my heart which will burst into a million pieces.
Frodo could not really enjoy life any more though he tried. Eventually he was given the gift of being able to travel into the West, to leave behind his life that hurt so much and go to a place where he would never hurt again.
I wonder if that is the way it is always going to be for me. If even though my life is really quite a nice one, with home and family and work to do which fulfills me and the opportunity and privilege of serving the King here, if I am going to hurt like this for the rest of my life here on earth. I will have to continue to smile, to work, and to be as happy as I can so that others are not burdened with my pain (they do not understand how it can hurt so much after so long a time anyway, and often refuse to acknowledge it). There will always be those intense seasons of pain, and I will never know when they are going to come and debilitate me even more for a time.
Will there ever again be happiness and blessing that is not tainted with it? There hasn’t been for ten years, now.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/26/2009 10:57:50 AM
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1) Will there always be an empty place in my heart where MJJ used to be?? Will marriage to another wonderful man make that lonely place go away? Or will it always remain, but maybe with less of an ache?
Anybody reading this who has had more than one spouse is encouraged to answer…I’d like to have an idea what to expect.
In his post John implies that if God sends him another Mrs. O, he feels he will no longer suffer this type of loneliness. But I wonder a lot about that. When we have been ONE with another person for so many years, and then that one person is ripped into two people again, with one of them gone completely…won’t that wound be there for our whole life? Even if perchance by some great work of grace and mercy on the part of the King I am gifted with another marriage, won’t the missing bits still be missing? If my arm had been ripped off, let’s say…even if somehow technology improves and I could get a replacement arm…the wound would still be there. Does that make sense? And in this case, the wound is not to my body, but to some other, amorphous, unspecified part. A mental and emotional part.
I hope that remarriage can heal the wound. I don’t have any guarantee of being remarried, though. And if it should happen, would I find that it doesn’t make the pain go away? If it doesn’t, will it affect my new marriage?
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/26/2009 11:00:10 AM
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1) As a Christian, why is loneliness such a big factor for me? Should it be? If not, what is the right way to respond to it? What lies am I believing that make it hard, or what truth have I ignored that will make it easier? Is it hindering my availability and fruitfulness to the Lord?
As a Christian, is there a possibility that I am suffering this pain unnecessarily? Is there a way for me to respond to it more effectively? Should I allow myself to set my hopes on remarriage as a cure?
I was talking to my daughter (who is about to get married) about this. We discussed the universality of loneliness but also the special kind of loneliness that plagues those who have been married before. She had some good thoughts, that I feel could be scripturally accurate.
Correct me if she’s wrong, but she mused that God Himself said that it was not good for man to be alone. We were created to be together. And not just together in community, but together in a marriage relationship. Adam and Eve really did have it all, and had no loneliness while they were in the garden. They walked with God AND with each other. Can you believe it? God Himself said that one person and God were still not enough to cure our loneliness!!!
To this day, God still holds the sanctity of marriage as important. It follows that we cannot walk with God like Adam and Eve did (though He is always with us, of course), and therefore there will always be something missing, even if we are in a good marriage. But it also follows that a good, godly marriage is the closest thing there is to walking in the Garden. It’s the closest thing to Heaven that there is. Another poster in the loneliness thread mention “being known” as a need that we all have. Of course God knows us completely…but as humans we cannot know Him completely, nor can we ever know another human completely. But marriage is the closest thing to being known in that way. So the loneliness of having once been married and then not being married anymore is likely the most acute loneliness a Christian can experience. (That’s not to say that loneliness cannot be piled upon loneliness…for instance, if you are a Christian who has lost their spouse and is also in prison in solitary confinement for your faith—that would be even more intense.)
GP1 even made the point that God even made heaven so that it is all of us together with him. Amazingly, even in Heaven we will not be alone, and it would not be heaven without each other!
So using that model, then, the questions posed at the beginning of this section can be answered. Am I suffering this pain unnecessarily? No, probably not. I may or may not be responding to it properly, but the pain is legitimate, and its intensity is validated. Is there a way to respond to it more effectively? Maybe. I will be looking for scriptures concerning this over the next few weeks and hopefully posting what I find here. If you know of any scriptural methods of dealing with loneliness, please post.
Can I set my hopes on remarriage as a possible help for this loneliness? Yes. Even though I will always love, honor and appreciate MJJ and miss him, the level of loneliness can be expected to lessen if God blesses me with another godly marriage partner…because marriage is still the closest thing we can get to walking with God AND with others.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/26/2009 11:02:29 AM
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And lastly, a story of encouragement to us all, showing that although we may be lonely, and intensely so at times, we are not alone.
My husband had been dead only a short time. I was suddenly a single mom with 4 children, ages 15 years down to 15 months, and life had to go on. I had so much business to take care of…much of it had to be done without the children in tow. Two of my children were quite old enough to take care of the other two, but they were also teen or pre-teen…and they were hurting too. We homeschooled, so the children had to be left at home while I did business.
One morning I had an appointment that required the children to stay home and me to arrive at a certain time. Just before I needed to leave, some dispute and subsequent anger and rebellion broke out among our family…normal daily training opportunities which should be prayerfully dealt with but aren’t anything out of the ordinary. Nevertheless, because I was now a single mom with business to take care of, I did not have time to deal with the problem properly before having to leave the house. I got in the car with such a heavy, grieving heart, and as I drove away from my home I began to complain to the Lord aloud…
“Lord, look what You’ve done. You’ve left my children without a Father, and they so need one! Can’t you see I’m not good at being a mom by myself?!? You’ve left me to try to raise these children alone…”
At that moment a Presence manifested in the passenger’s seat of my suburban, interrupting the flow of bitter words. God was there. And He was so real that I was surprised not to be able to see Him. I heard, so powerfully that it seemed audible to me…
“YOU ARE NOT ALONE”.
The tone of voice was indignant and at the same time loving.
And then the Presence was gone.
You may think I made it all up in my head, and that’s fine. Perhaps I did. But I was still shaking when I arrived at my appointment.
I don’t know about you, but I need to relive that moment more often.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/26/2009 3:59:53 PM
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1) Will there always be an empty place in my heart where MJJ used to be?? Will marriage to another wonderful man make that lonely place go away? Or will it always remain, but maybe with less of an ache?
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In his post John implies that if God sends him another Mrs. O, he feels he will no longer suffer this type of loneliness. But I wonder a lot about that. When we have been ONE with another person for so many years, and then that one person is ripped into two people again, with one of them gone completely…won’t that wound be there for our whole life?
Let me clarify. I will always miss M. But I will no longer be lonely. The two are not required to travel together.
(Great posts. Thank you!)
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/26/2009 8:46:46 PM
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1) Will there always be an empty place in my heart where MJJ used to be?? Will marriage to another wonderful man make that lonely place go away? Or will it always remain, but maybe with less of an ache?
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In his post John implies that if God sends him another Mrs. O, he feels he will no longer suffer this type of loneliness. But I wonder a lot about that. When we have been ONE with another person for so many years, and then that one person is ripped into two people again, with one of them gone completely…won’t that wound be there for our whole life?
Let me clarify. I will always miss M. But I will no longer be lonely. The two are not required to travel together.
(Great posts. Thank you!)
I SINCERELY hope you are right, John.
Glad you were blessed.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/30/2009 5:41:44 PM
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Just FYI...I survived a car accident this morning. Bruises, stitches, but otherwise ok. We'll be months getting this all cleared up, though. And my pretty little red car...well, she is no more.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 3/30/2009 8:32:20 PM
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Oh man that stinks! I hope you aren't hurt too bad.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 4/1/2009 6:35:00 PM
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So people are already wanting to know if I'm going to buy a new car...
But I don't know if I should.
Any thoughts???
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 4/5/2009 8:26:27 PM
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Ok...well, seems like nobody's thinking in here, lately!
And that's ok. Sometimes it's nice just to chill. Hang. From the ceiling. Like a bat...
So today, I am rejoicing. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm in a "light" phase...seeing "light" at the end of at least one tunnel. I have completed my 15 page paper (which will need tweaking and revising once the rough draft is graded, but otherwise should not require major revisions or research). I have studied for what may be my last Music History test. I have completed the Anniversary Sunday for our church (20th anniversary. Didn't receive the program made up by the deacons until Friday night. Still pulled it off.) Have completed the trim on the wedding dress, completed the adjustments to the wedding dress, have addressed almost half of the invitations, have sewn some trim on the train. Have figured out the table decorations for the reception and the wreath decorations for pew markers. Have purchased dresses for all of us that need them in the wedding.
Have a very few weeks of this hard semester to go...only a few weeks!!! Most big projects/tests are completed.
I can do this! God has really gotten me through...has provided time for me to complete each thing. Has given me strength when I needed it, and is teaching me gratitude in the midst of it. Has shown me that people really do care when something bad happens to me...just not when I'm whining over what is really not a hard thing...like being single.
There's still a lot to go...but God's been faithful so far, and I believe He will be faithful through to June...and beyond!!!
I found this scripture the other day, and it ministered to me and continues to minister to me:
"Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the Lord shall be a light unto me.
I will bear the indignation of the Lord, because I have sinned against him, until he plead my cause, and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold his righteousness."
(Micah 7:8-9)
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 4/5/2009 8:56:06 PM
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Awesome! Sounds like you've got the ball really rolling!
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See! The winter is past; the rains are over and gone. Flowers appear on the earth; the season of singing has come.
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RE: Besiderself's Batty Belfry - 4/10/2009 11:20:46 AM
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A lot of bad theology will be spouted this weekend about God and Jesus, and the reasons for Jesus' penal substitutionary death...
Here is some really good theology for your meditation
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has decided that the command against forsaking the assembling of ourselves together shall henceforth be considered satisfied when she wakes up each morning and finds that all her body parts are still assembled...
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