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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/23/2009 11:25:47 PM
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Don't be shy. Give us a growl. May it bring Praise, and Glory, to His Name.
Congratulations, new Lioness.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and Power. Arley
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/24/2009 5:16:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ariella...
lol! Grrr.
Ok so I know what a lioness is but I'm curious as to what it means to be a lioness OF G-d. It sounds pretty straightforward but I think I will ask my Rabbi a little more about it. 
OK, Of G_d, or For G_d. Shucks, I'm just a Goy, Watta-ya-want, goot gramar  too?
"Ari-el-la" still sounds like Lioness of G-d, to me//as//
My congratulations still stands, so-there! Yeee-Haaa!! Set the Sail, we're goin HOME.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/25/2009 4:23:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
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ORIGINAL: Ariella...
lol! Grrr.
Ok so I know what a lioness is but I'm curious as to what it means to be a lioness OF G-d. It sounds pretty straightforward but I think I will ask my Rabbi a little more about it.
OK, Of G_d, or For G_d. Shucks, I'm just a Goy, Watta-ya-want, goot gramar too?
"Ari-el-la" still sounds like Lioness of G-d, to me//as//
My congratulations still stands, so-there! Yeee-Haaa!! Set the Sail, we're goin HOME.
Be the queen G-d wants you to be if of the female gender, or the King God wants you to be if of the male gender and both are married, otherwise for the singles- suppose prince and princess would do, respective of gender. I needed the light side of life today! :) from the warm midwest, David. Also early Shavuot greetings to you! I will be listening to as much of Congregation Melech on line as time permits on May 28, evening.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/26/2009 6:25:43 PM
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We discussed the matter I brought up a few posts back at Torah study last Shabbat. I had mistaken Shavuot for Yom Kippur. So feel free to indulge yourself on the sixth day this week. Just remember to leave a little on the edges for the poor.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/27/2009 10:46:31 AM
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We've been visiting another church on some
occasional Sundays. This last Sunday the pastor
was doing a little study on Shavuot. His one
comment that stood out was that they would
be meeting on that day on the right day for a
change, being a Sunday.............lol.
Perhaps another pastor is seeing the pendulum
swinging back to the Jewish Heritage? lol.
We just enjoy fellowship with them and their
congregation and have some interesting discussions.
We may have to go back next Sunday as they are
having a Shavuot Breakfast...........lol.
Put out the food and they will come!
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/27/2009 4:21:27 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
We've been visiting another church on some
occasional Sundays. This last Sunday the pastor
was doing a little study on Shavuot. His one
comment that stood out was that they would
be meeting on that day on the right day for a
change, being a Sunday.............lol.
Perhaps another pastor is seeing the pendulum
swinging back to the Jewish Heritage? lol.
We just enjoy fellowship with them and their
congregation and have some interesting discussions.
We may have to go back next Sunday as they are
having a Shavuot Breakfast...........lol.
Put out the food and they will come!
Well, if one sees firstfruits as the Sabbath before "easter sunday" every year, Shavuot would always be on the first day of the week. Watch out for the ham and eggs fried in bacon grease. You can find pork just about anywhere at those breakfasts.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/28/2009 9:35:08 AM
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Lapidoth
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It's been my observation that whatever cafe, etc.
we go to, the only basic breakfast meat is pig...................
It's hard to find gravy without pig bits added to it.........lol.
Guess that's why I like my own cooking so much.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/29/2009 3:32:48 PM
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Lapidoth
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Traditions of Shavuot
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/29/2009 3:36:15 PM
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Lapidoth
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Interesting.
Hey does anyone know of any good study guides for studying about keeping the Sabbath in detail, particularly for Christians who are learning to keep them? I don't want to keep it legalistically. Now that I have the Sabbath off I thought a good start would be to learn more about it as a Gentile.
Welcome to the club...............lol.
We just "rest" here.
We started out as a church having a Friday Night
dinner together just to get everyone in the habit
of setting sundown Friday to sundown Saturday
aside for Sabbath.
We don't keep any rituals, we just gather together
now on Saturday morning instead of Sunday like
we did a couple years ago.
There's plenty of material out there, but a lot of it
may need weeding as you study. Good Luck.
I enjoy tnnonline.net for a lot of information.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 5/31/2009 9:08:50 PM
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I have heard that there are "jewish hearted" Sunday churches that are "swinging back" to the Jewish ways. I say "cool"!!!
Baruch Hashem Maschiach Yeshua.
I could attend a Sunday church if they have this perspective; but really haven't found any in our area.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/1/2009 4:51:05 PM
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Hi everyone, I agree tnnonline.net has some good stuff, check out the FAQ section Above All/Ariella, things are indexed there by letter. I have something to bring to anyone's attention. Can you tell me the difference between the strict Torah-keepers, i.e., Mark Kinzer, McKee, and those who are more moderate, i.e., John Garr, Marvin Wilson, just to name a couple? The reason I ask is I have started having discussions with a Messianic Rabbi who, to use his words, defines all Scripture, and commentary outside of Scripture based on Torah. I know the other extreme are believers who dismiss the words of Moses to some extent, and put more stock in the words of Yeshua because he filled the Torah full of meaning, Matthew 12 is one of the cited passages to support this viewpoint, Yeshua's dialogue with the teachers on Shabbat issues.. A friend likens the Torah keeping wing of the Messianic movement, to the "hard-shelled" Bible thumpers who put the KJV and what it may say on this or that, above or along-side Yeshua, so the page becomes equal to Yeshua. Think this is a fair assessment of things Messianic? Do you steer clear from those who advocate viewing every thing from The Torah, or am I misunderstanding this perspective? Thanks. (Drussell52)
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/1/2009 9:45:20 PM
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drussell52
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ORIGINAL: drussell52
Hi everyone, I agree tnnonline.net has some good stuff, check out the FAQ section Above All/Ariella, things are indexed there by letter. I have something to bring to anyone's attention. Can you tell me the difference between the strict Torah-keepers, i.e., Mark Kinzer, McKee, and those who are more moderate, i.e., John Garr, Marvin Wilson, just to name a couple? The reason I ask is I have started having discussions with a Messianic Rabbi who, to use his words, defines all Scripture, and commentary outside of Scripture based on Torah. I know the other extreme are believers who dismiss the words of Moses to some extent, and put more stock in the words of Yeshua because he filled the Torah full of meaning, Matthew 12 is one of the cited passages to support this viewpoint, Yeshua's dialogue with the teachers on Shabbat issues.. A friend likens the Torah keeping wing of the Messianic movement, to the "hard-shelled" Bible thumpers who put the KJV and what it may say on this or that, above or along-side Yeshua, so the page becomes equal to Yeshua. Think this is a fair assessment of things Messianic? Do you steer clear from those who advocate viewing every thing from The Torah, or am I misunderstanding this perspective? Thanks. (Drussell52)
Back to the question about Shabbat studies look at bereans on line.org, Matthew part three, chapter 12, it will get you started.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/2/2009 9:26:14 AM
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Lapidoth
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A friend likens the Torah keeping wing of the Messianic movement, to the "hard-shelled" Bible thumpers who put the KJV and what it may say on this or that, above or along-side Yeshua, so the page becomes equal to Yeshua. Think this is a fair assessment of things Messianic?
Seems all sects are full of humans, so they have the same problems
as any one else. Here's a blog from tnnonline showing how many
get their theology in various ways rather than real study.
BUMPER STICKERS, T-SHIRTS, SONGS, BLOGS
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/2/2009 3:24:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Seems all sects are full of humans, So you are saying that humans are in-sects?
That bugs me.....
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/2/2009 4:22:00 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Seems all sects are full of humans, So you are saying that humans are in-sects?
That bugs me.....
LOL............that's a good one!
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/11/2009 2:33:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ariella...
Splits.  I'll post more about one that went on later but for now, some food for thought.
What are your thoughts on spiritual authority? I find that Christians' understanding of authority is rather different from the Hebrew understanding. Feel free to add some personal examples.
All authority comes from Adonai. I do not think there is a one size fits all regarding authority on earth. I personally believe it is bottom up. Every person has been given authority over that with which Adonai has blessed him. Next the authority in the family falls to the oldest adult male, though in rare cases this can be overriden if the patriarch changes the order, or the patriarch is found to be incapable of performing that duty. Authority for community affairs is subject to he who sits in the seat of Moshe'. Since this has become difficult to determine due to the diaspora, rabbis and "presidents" have been given this authority. These persons generally act in public forums and often act as moderators of community debate. With regard to the Temple, the Levites have all authority.
This stated, if one chooses or is compelled to place their life on the line, any such one can take up the office of a prophet. Such an one is subject to the judgement of the community, but no one has authority over him but Adonai. In other words, the prophet plays the role that the press plays in the USA, but a false prophet can be stoned. Unfortunately, the press in the USA can not. Also, as with the US press, there is no prior restraint. One can not prohibit a prophet before he speaks. However, once he has spoken, He is subject to community judgement based on what has been said. This is about the extent of authority as far as I can tell, apart from the authority of the Scriptures as a standard for justification or condemnation.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/11/2009 9:04:28 AM
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Welcome Ariella!
Authority is one of those "slippery slope" type issues that many do not want to really look at.
Your question is a bit to generic to answer as written. Are you talking about the authority of scripture, oral tradition, etc., or authority in a person such as a congregational leader?
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/11/2009 1:28:19 PM
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I suppose I should poke my head in here and say hello. Some may have noticed some of my posts have taken a different tone over the past few months.
For some time now, I have began looking more into Messianic churches, beliefs, etc, and slowly started adding things of the sort into my life, though it was difficult, given that I went to a Pentecostal college, and was already so involved in a Pentecostal church. Nonetheless, I have begun that trek.
I am now part of a Torah study, though we meet on Tuesdays instead of Shabbat. It was part of a scheduling conflict, and those who attend are mostly people like me: not all the way immersed in it, but are just searching and looking for answers and truth, and are testing the waters a bit.
But, I have begun to attend a Messianic fellowship on Shabbat, and absolutely love being there.
I am reading and learning as much as I can, and bit by bit adding practices to my life. I have not agreed with every thing that I have heard, and maybe I will find at some point that this wasn't what I was looking for, but as of right now, I am enjoying my faith, being filled more, getting more out of the Word, and living a holier life than I ever have before.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/11/2009 3:03:41 PM
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welcome to the crowd rawr.ben
We have come full circle here.
But the journey was worth every bit of it.
In this area we attracted a lot of fruit cakes,
whom have run the gambit and are gone now..........lol
But we had other fruit cakes before, so that didn't really change.
Just different "fruit".............lol.
My favorite thing in the journey is that the Word makes more sense now.
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