|
|
|
|
|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/13/2009 3:53:34 AM
|
|
|
Bluethread
Posts: 2923
Joined: 11/8/2007
Status: offline
|
This week is b'ha'alotkha(Num.8:1-12:16). I will be interested in hearing your impressions of that Parasha.
_____________________________
"Show me wherein I have errored and I will hold my tongue." Iyov(Job)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/13/2009 2:53:52 PM
|
|
|
narnia
Posts: 476
Status: offline
|
quote:
Now for some own sad news on my end. There has indeed been a split in our congregation
Ariella,
Keep in mind that I know your pain. We actually had two splits...a smaller one before the larger one. However the families from that smaller one have returned.
I will tell you this...once a big split has occurred, it takes quite a while to recover from it...it's been a year and a half so far for us and we are still struggling with some things. Now more than ever is the time to pray for protection for your congregation and leaders.
Pm me anytime if need be.
_____________________________
Domestic Diva, according to our Forums Mother!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/14/2009 3:16:28 AM
|
|
|
narnia
Posts: 476
Status: offline
|
You're welcome Ariella. Another thing to keep in mind is that as new people step into leadership roles, there will be an adjustment period. Things will change..they may be big or small, but there will be some change. And down the line, the decision may be made to change things back to the way they were.
Should that happen, please do tell the person in charge first about reverting things back to the way they were instead of that new person finding out last.
That has been the crux of my problems here...a decision was made by others about how things should be and I did not find out until 2 1/2 months later. Even if they did not mean to be deceptive, it sure came across that way and feelings were hurt. I am still very cautious with most of the folks there as a result of the way the decision was handled. Plus the fact that they have done it to me a couple more times has not helped the trust factor either.
Impress upon your leaders not to do that. Much heartache and frustration will be avoided.
_____________________________
Domestic Diva, according to our Forums Mother!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/14/2009 1:48:38 PM
|
|
|
prolifepj
Posts: 1107
Joined: 9/12/2008
From: just over yonder
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Bluethread This week is b'ha'alotkha(Num.8:1-12:16). I will be interested in hearing your impressions of that Parasha.
Blue, I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I am interested in your impressions on this....I always draw so much from your posts- would you mind sharing your thoughts?
_____________________________
Sho nuff honey chile - Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/15/2009 4:02:03 AM
|
|
|
Bluethread
Posts: 2923
Joined: 11/8/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: prolifepj
quote:
ORIGINAL: Bluethread This week is b'ha'alotkha(Num.8:1-12:16). I will be interested in hearing your impressions of that Parasha.
Blue, I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I am interested in your impressions on this....I always draw so much from your posts- would you mind sharing your thoughts?
Sure, we noticed that we somethimes interpret a declarative sentence as a topic sentence that summarizes what follows. Verse 8:4 shows this is not alway the case in the Scriptures. A declarative statement is sometimes a summary topic sentence.
In verse 10:29, Moshe' invites his midianite cousin Havov to join us and Moshe' said that the blessings that Israel recieves would be shared with him. This appears to rebute the idea that Israel was not evangelistic or at least charitable to those who lived with them. We also see here that Moshe's father-in-law is called Re'u'el and not Yethro as he was refered to earlier. This has created confusion among some. I believe Re'u'el is a title and not a name. Therefore, Re'u'el and not Yethro are the same person. Some see Re'u'el as the father of some second wife of Moshe'. Re'u'el means friend of El. It could be rendered "Hovav the son of the Midianite friend of El, Moshe's father-in-law". Being a priest, he may have worshiped Adonai to the best of his knowledge. Therefore, friend of El may be an idiom similar to the term god-fearer used in the Apistolic writings. That would be one who agrees with the Scriptures, but is not physically joined to Adonai's people or who has not undergone formal conversion. This too would speak to Adonai's graciousness to those based on The Promise, even if they are not aware of all the details of the incarnation and Sacrifice.
We also noticed, but did not totally resolve the statements of Adonai that (11:19-20a) '(y)ou will not eat it(quail) just one day ... but a whole month!" and (11:33) "but while the meat was still in their mouth . . . Adonai struck the people with a terrible plague."
These are a few of the things we noticed this time around. Of course, there is much more here that we have noticed in prior years and much more we will probably notice in the future. That is why I am enquiring here. (Pr 11:14) "For lack of guidance a nation falls, but many advisers make victory sure."
< Message edited by Bluethread -- 6/15/2009 4:09:16 AM >
_____________________________
"Show me wherein I have errored and I will hold my tongue." Iyov(Job)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/15/2009 9:32:13 AM
|
|
|
navyblueret
Posts: 1971
Joined: 11/29/2008
From: S/W Nebraska
Status: offline
|
Shalom, Blue.
Thanks for the clarification. Much of the jumble, that equated to my understanding there, is much clearer.
In Messiah. Arley
_____________________________
In the name of 'THE' Mashiach, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/15/2009 10:33:25 AM
|
|
|
Lapidoth
Posts: 5724
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: OKLAHOMA
Status: online
|
In our reading yesterday, my study pal and I came across
where Jesus came by the blind beggar who cried out for mercy.
He threw off his beggars robe when Jesus called to him.
In our footnote it said that the beggars had to go to the
priest to get authorization to use the "beggars robe."
So, the version we are using used the term 'authorized beggars
robe.'
Is there anything to this in the traditions, Talmud, etc?
I can see that it was probably the case, but it's a new
thought to us............lol.
If so, we paralled this to the handicap parking stickers......lol
thanks ahead of time.
_____________________________
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/15/2009 12:38:21 PM
|
|
|
navyblueret
Posts: 1971
Joined: 11/29/2008
From: S/W Nebraska
Status: offline
|
Lapidoth, Shalom.
Your comment: 'In our footnote it said that the beggars had to go to the
priest to get authorization to use the "beggars robe."
So, the version we are using used the term 'authorized beggars
robe.' ,' sent me on a quest, to see where anything makes any reference to a 'beggars robe,' and have so far failed miserably. I can find nothing, in my sources, that indicates anything other than a loose outer garment, to keep the weather off, with comments alluding to his 'faith,' being blind and such, if Jesus couldn't heal him, IMO, the blind man would have a real problem regaining his 'earthly' source of protection, such as it was.
Where does your notes originate, that I might better understand, if understanding is meant to be?
In Messiah. Arley
_____________________________
In the name of 'THE' Mashiach, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/15/2009 6:57:46 PM
|
|
|
narnia
Posts: 476
Status: offline
|
quote:
I love the non-political nature of our congregation.
You are fortunate indeed to have that. I wish it was the same here.
_____________________________
Domestic Diva, according to our Forums Mother!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/16/2009 9:14:46 AM
|
|
|
Lapidoth
Posts: 5724
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: OKLAHOMA
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Lapidoth, Shalom.
Your comment: 'In our footnote it said that the beggars had to go to the
priest to get authorization to use the "beggars robe."
So, the version we are using used the term 'authorized beggars
robe.' ,' sent me on a quest, to see where anything makes any reference to a 'beggars robe,' and have so far failed miserably. I can find nothing, in my sources, that indicates anything other than a loose outer garment, to keep the weather off, with comments alluding to his 'faith,' being blind and such, if Jesus couldn't heal him, IMO, the blind man would have a real problem regaining his 'earthly' source of protection, such as it was.
Where does your notes originate, that I might better understand, if understanding is meant to be?
In Messiah. Arley
Hi Arley.
We're using the "Power New Testament"
in this go round of our study of the Bible.
We like to use a different version each time
we start our study cycle. We used the Jewish
Study Bible for the O.T. and then began using
the PNT for our N.T. studies.
The author was one who translated it himself
with the help of several rabbis, etc. So, I was
wondering if there was a source for this statement.
As we study Jesus' miracles, several times He would
instruct them to go to the priest to get examined, etc.
Other times He would instruct them to go home and
say nothing. Of course, each time they would shout
it from the roof tops what He had done for them. I
probably would too.
Evangelists and preachers use this healing to say the
beggar would throw off his beggars garment to show
his "faith" of getting healed. This may have began in
the WOF circles?
I've found several things that perk my interest that cause
us to study and dig deeper. That's why I like using different
versions at different times. Make a fellow look at things from
different angles and attitudes.
thanks
_____________________________
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/16/2009 11:54:34 AM
|
|
|
navyblueret
Posts: 1971
Joined: 11/29/2008
From: S/W Nebraska
Status: offline
|
Lapidoth, Shalom, and thanks for your response.
The PNT is one I had never heard of. I know what you mean about using a diversity of Versions. Heh, Heh, the JW, I was working with, trying to shine the light for him, called me 'Arley Five Bibles,' as I always kept his version and four others at my finger-tips, when discussing scripture. I failed to show him the Gate of Messiah, since the local JW leadership banned me from even being greeted on the street. I guess I became a stumbling block, or outlaw to their 'truth.'
Oh-Well. Onward, and upward. The wind still fills my sails, and my mouth is the noisiest on the street.
Arley is my name, witnessing is my game. Keep the watch, folks. I am looking so forward to being young and spry again, so very soon.  Nuff said.
Oh, and no I ain't not gonna buy yet another Bible. Heh, Heh, my Bible shelf is full to the brim of the cup that Jesus fills. 
In Messiah. Arley 
_____________________________
In the name of 'THE' Mashiach, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/17/2009 2:27:14 PM
|
|
|
Bluethread
Posts: 2923
Joined: 11/8/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Oh-Well. Onward, and upward. The wind still fills my sails, and my mouth is the noisiest on the street.
Is that in the vain
of Paul Revere or Thomas Paine.
When the British are comin'
or Common Sense daily livin'.
Oh, John Paul Jones right?
You haven't yet begun to fight.
_____________________________
"Show me wherein I have errored and I will hold my tongue." Iyov(Job)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/17/2009 2:38:15 PM
|
|
|
navyblueret
Posts: 1971
Joined: 11/29/2008
From: S/W Nebraska
Status: offline
|
BT, Shalom.  Yessir, you say rightly!
Oh, I do love singing my Praises to Messiah/God.
In Him. Arley
Full Sail Ahead, give me Ramming Speed
_____________________________
In the name of 'THE' Mashiach, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/20/2009 12:55:30 AM
|
|
|
Bluethread
Posts: 2923
Joined: 11/8/2007
Status: offline
|
Shabbat Shalom.
This weeks parasha according to the one year rabbinic calendar is Shlach L'kha (Num. 13:1-15:41), Haftorah Y'hoshua(Joshua) 2:1-24. Any observations?
_____________________________
"Show me wherein I have errored and I will hold my tongue." Iyov(Job)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/22/2009 8:49:53 PM
|
|
|
Covaan_Meshuga
Posts: 3170
Joined: 6/8/2005
From: being knit together in my mother's womb
Status: offline
|
Blue, how do you like being on the one-year schedule? I have never tried it. Do you have time to study everything, or can it be difficult? I struggle to keep up with the three-year schedule.
_____________________________
While in prayer or praise, I am only as devoted to G-d as I am in my most private moments.
Abiyah, if you had known them as G-d knows them, you would have answered them differently.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/22/2009 8:52:36 PM
|
|
|
Covaan_Meshuga
Posts: 3170
Joined: 6/8/2005
From: being knit together in my mother's womb
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: DaveW
quote:
ORIGINAL: Bluethread
If you would like a good balance to FFOZ, you might try Timm Hegg at torahresource.com. When did Hegg leave FFOZ??
Well, I answered you privately, but here it is openly. He left FFOZ. I didn't want to say it "out loud," because I was . . . well, for many private reasons.
_____________________________
While in prayer or praise, I am only as devoted to G-d as I am in my most private moments.
Abiyah, if you had known them as G-d knows them, you would have answered them differently.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/23/2009 6:00:47 PM
|
|
|
Bluethread
Posts: 2923
Joined: 11/8/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
Blue, how do you like being on the one-year schedule? I have never tried it. Do you have time to study everything, or can it be difficult? I struggle to keep up with the three-year schedule.
Well in the beginning it lead to some long and heated discussions. Also, when someone new comes there is plenty to discuss. Generally, every week we find two or three new things, things we forgot or just reinforce what we had noticed in prior years.
We also read the haftorah parasha and the Apistolic histories according to the FFOZ schedule. Reading, eating and discussing takes about 3-4 hrs. If ours was a conventional gathering, it might be difficult. However, since we meet in homes, it is much more comfortable.
< Message edited by Bluethread -- 6/23/2009 6:07:07 PM >
_____________________________
"Show me wherein I have errored and I will hold my tongue." Iyov(Job)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/23/2009 6:05:49 PM
|
|
|
Covaan_Meshuga
Posts: 3170
Joined: 6/8/2005
From: being knit together in my mother's womb
Status: offline
|
Well, I appreciate that you put up where you are in your schedule, and I appreciate any and all comments about it. I keep hoping that I can grab a look at the readings, just to keep some kind of pace with the yearly, but as I wrote, I struggle to keep up with the three-year schedule.
So much to read, so much to think about! Love it!
Oh -- and by the way -- has your shul always been on the one-year schedule? Anyone else doing the three-year?
_____________________________
While in prayer or praise, I am only as devoted to G-d as I am in my most private moments.
Abiyah, if you had known them as G-d knows them, you would have answered them differently.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/23/2009 6:46:03 PM
|
|
|
Bluethread
Posts: 2923
Joined: 11/8/2007
Status: offline
|
Things noticed from last parasha.
(Num 13:23-24) "They came to the Eshkol Valley; and there they cut off a branch bearing one cluster of grapes, which they carried on a pole between two of them; they also took pomegranates and figs. That place was called the Valley of Eshkol [cluster], because of the cluster which the people of Isra'el cut down there."
We discussed that according to tradition, which can be given to exaggeration, these clusters were some four to five feet tall and the grapes were baseball size. A vintner in our group assured us that this is indeed possible given enough sun and water.
(14:21-22) "But as sure as I live, and that the whole earth is filled with the glory of ADONAI, none of the people who saw my glory and the signs I did in Egypt and in the desert, yet tested me these ten times and did not listen to my voice,"
In looking at the rabbinic list of ten tests, it was interesting that they say there were two times that Isreal complained for meat and received quail.
(15:30-31) "'But an individual who does something wrong intentionally, whether a citizen or a foreigner, is blaspheming ADONAI. That person will be cut off from his people. Because he has had contempt for the word of ADONAI and has disobeyed his command, that person will be cut off completely; his offense will remain with him.'"
This is a freightening passage. It seems to say that if we sin without knowing it is sin, when we become aware, there is a sacrifice to cover it. However, if we know better but sin anyway there is no more sacrifice. Maybe this is what Paul was talking about when he said, (Heb. 6:4-6) "For when people have once been enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, become sharers in the Ruach HaKodesh, and tasted the goodness of Adonai's Word and the powers of the 'olam haba - and then have fallen away - it is impossible to renew them so that they turn from their sin, as long as for themselves they keep executing the Son of Adonai on the stake all over again and keep holding him up to public contempt."
Shavuah Tov.
_____________________________
"Show me wherein I have errored and I will hold my tongue." Iyov(Job)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/23/2009 7:15:08 PM
|
|
|
Covaan_Meshuga
Posts: 3170
Joined: 6/8/2005
From: being knit together in my mother's womb
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Bluethread
(14:21-22) "But as sure as I live, and that the whole earth is filled with the glory of ADONAI, none of the people who saw my glory and the signs I did in Egypt and in the desert, yet tested me these ten times and did not listen to my voice,"
It stuns me every Friday evening when we read the Psalm that says of this time, "I loathed that generation." It makes me stop and think every time. How much truth have I been given that I ignored or that I passed off and pretended it was not for me.
_____________________________
While in prayer or praise, I am only as devoted to G-d as I am in my most private moments.
Abiyah, if you had known them as G-d knows them, you would have answered them differently.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/24/2009 11:51:43 AM
|
|
|
Lapidoth
Posts: 5724
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: OKLAHOMA
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
quote:
ORIGINAL: Bluethread
(14:21-22) "But as sure as I live, and that the whole earth is filled with the glory of ADONAI, none of the people who saw my glory and the signs I did in Egypt and in the desert, yet tested me these ten times and did not listen to my voice,"
It stuns me every Friday evening when we read the Psalm that says of this time, "I loathed that generation." It makes me stop and think every time. How much truth have I been given that I ignored or that I passed off and pretended it was not for me.
Self-Inspection always causes us a lot of repentance..............lol.
But, repent we do.
_____________________________
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/24/2009 4:06:14 PM
|
|
|
Covaan_Meshuga
Posts: 3170
Joined: 6/8/2005
From: being knit together in my mother's womb
Status: offline
|
Repentance: uncomfortable, but only at first.
_____________________________
While in prayer or praise, I am only as devoted to G-d as I am in my most private moments.
Abiyah, if you had known them as G-d knows them, you would have answered them differently.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 6/25/2009 9:06:11 AM
|
|
|
Lapidoth
Posts: 5724
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: OKLAHOMA
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
Repentance: uncomfortable, but only at first.
Amen.
_____________________________
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
