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RE: ID's to vote - 6/7/2008 7:18:46 PM
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Jeff_from_Kentucky
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Most of the fraud that Dems have complained about has involved keeping people from the polls. ie, when black voters were taken off the rolls for having names that were similar to those of felons.
And the funny thing about that is that, in most cases, the Democrats controlled the local election boards in the very places where they cried fraud.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/7/2008 8:18:34 PM
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Oh -- I forgot to answer someone's question regarding why I said my state has a lot of polling fraud. One of the reasons is the number (several -- forgot how many) of boxes of voter tabs that were found in various cabinets all over one of the major cities, and the other is the large box of military votes mailed in and stashed away until days after the votes were counted. Another is that in my state, the voters vote, then the governments decides that we didn't know what we really wanted and overrides our votes. Then there is the governor who got in even though she was voted out. This kind of stuff just happens magically in my state.
And by the way, I find it interesting that sometimes, when there is no legitimate criticism, but someone wants to say something, they criticize the opponent's spelling or language, or they cry lack of education because they did not understand the writer's point in their post.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/7/2008 10:18:11 PM
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colliefan
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I fail to see the problem. If something is important one WILL find the money for that item.
AMTRACK and Greyhound require a postive ID. I am sure that in trying to get food stamps and other government assistence a picture ID is needed.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/8/2008 12:04:00 AM
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PhunkD
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Most of the fraud that Dems have complained about has involved keeping people from the polls. ie, when black voters were taken off the rolls for having names that were similar to those of felons.
And the funny thing about that is that, in most cases, the Democrats controlled the local election boards in the very places where they cried fraud.
Yes. The state government (Republican controlled) took people off the rolls, especially in Democratic Party strongholds. In those areas, the local election board noticed and cried fraud (because there was fraud--committed on the state level, noticed on the local level).
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/8/2008 12:10:15 AM
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PhunkD
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I fail to see the problem. If something is important one WILL find the money for that item.
AMTRACK and Greyhound require a postive ID. I am sure that in trying to get food stamps and other government assistence a picture ID is needed.
You are sure, but you are also wrong. Here is the application for food stamps in my state, no ID needed: http://www.foodstampshelp.org/pdf/app.pdf
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/8/2008 12:23:59 AM
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inthysite
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Again, I don't want fraud either, but the current system has fraud controls in place. I had to prove my address and citizenship when I registered, and my ID assured with a signature when I vote.
Sure, somebody could try to fake my signature, but a poll worker would notice. If the poll worker doesn't do a good job checking a signature, neither will they do a good job checking IDs.
Really, then how is it that at least eight of the nineteen hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were able to register to vote in either Virginia or Florida?
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The problem with verifying signatures is that it is apparent that in some states it is possible for someone who is not a citizen to be able to register to vote. So when it comes time to vote and they verify the signature it will be a match because they are registered.
However, if they have a state issued ID then it will prove not only identity but also citizenship.
And $10, $20 or even $50 over a 4 or 5 year period is not that difficult to save. Let's take the highest amount and the shortest time, $50 every 4 years. If you save $0.25 a week you can save $52 in 4 years, that will be enough to get your ID and a pack of smokes to boot.
So the argument of cost just doesn't hold any water, at least for me it doesn't.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/8/2008 8:12:16 AM
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Consecrated2God
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If you save $0.25 a week you can save $52 in 4 years, that will be enough to get your ID and a pack of smokes to boot.
You could probably find that much picking up loose change on the sidewalk.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/8/2008 8:42:52 PM
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PrincessDonna
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I am sure that in trying to get food stamps and other government assistence a picture ID is needed.
Not true here either. You need a SS card and a birth certificate. You are then given a photo ID for your benefits. I assume that would work for voting purposes, since it is picture ID, and in this state at least, also has a birth date on it?
If picture ID is required to vote, then there needs to be a way around it for those who cannot afford it. And YES, there are poor who truly cannot afford a non-driver's ID card...think elderly or disabled living on a very fixed income and now with rising food and energy costs. If you don't believe it, go visit some shut-ins. They usually aren't vocal about it, but they are EVERYwhere.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/9/2008 9:46:38 AM
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JimboFletch
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And $10, $20 or even $50 over a 4 or 5 year period is not that difficult to save. Let's take the highest amount and the shortest time, $50 every 4 years. If you save $0.25 a week you can save $52 in 4 years, that will be enough to get your ID and a pack of smokes to boot.
So the argument of cost just doesn't hold any water, at least for me it doesn't.
That's a full-stomached, far-more-than-minimum-wage response: "...at least for me it doesn't."
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You could probably find that much picking up loose change on the sidewalk.
Perhaps in your city, but I've been walking, on average, 16 miles a week for exercise during the last 9.5 years and have found, perhaps, $3 in change, mostly pennies. My walk oftens goes by the place where Food Stamps are obtained, the County Health deptartment, and a low-income clinic. It is more rare to find a loose penny in those 3 places than anywhere else I walk.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/9/2008 10:58:52 AM
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inthysite
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That's a full-stomached, far-more-than-minimum-wage response: "...at least for me it doesn't."
I've stated it before but I guess it's worth repeating. It is amazing how much you know about me, wow. Actually, truth be told, have you ever heard the term "starving artist"? I run two home businesses, a website design company - thus the internet connection, and a graphite portrait business. These don't always pay enough to make ends meet so I have to pick up odd jobs every now and then, like working at the local chicken processing plant, or the local farmers market.
In today's economy even these jobs are getting scarcer so while I may not be dirt poor, or a disabled elderly person I'm not one of the comfortable middle class either.
I am not calloused towards those on a fixed income and struggling to make ends meet, I am one of them. But I also believe the voting for the most powerful person in the world needs checks and balances and what we currently have is not working.
Again, 8 of the terrorists from 9/11 were able to register as voters! This has to tell you that something is wrong and needs to be changed. The government passes laws all the time that affect our pocket book. I don't always like it either but sometimes you have to grin a bear it.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/9/2008 11:04:17 AM
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freakofnature
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Alright, Let's just say what needs to be said... Let's open a new government beurocratic office for voter id's so that every single person in the country can get a free voter id card with a picture on it? NO? After this coming general election, eliminate ALL voter rolls so that everyone has to re-register, U.S. gvmt mails out voter registrations and then you take those registrations to a specially set up office and get your picture ID. Why not, there has to be a solution and since all the cryin' and lyin' libs want to whine about the poor and desolate not having enough money to get an id then the problem is solved for lib's 2 ways, more government beuracrocy and free id's for the poor. This should only cost about $40 billion or so. They will have to build new buildings just for registration, especially in blighted areas where the poor and needy live. Perhaps, even having a staff to go to the homes of those less fortunate and they can take the picture in a mobile station...
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/9/2008 11:18:58 AM
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P31W
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I don't want someone who cannot figure out a way to afford or obtain for free a photo ID to vote.
Hey freak! You should also have limo's go pick the poor voters up from their home and return them. Give them free bottled water and cheese sticks while they wait in line. 
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/9/2008 11:21:01 AM
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freakofnature
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You should also have limo's go pick
YES! YES! Free limo's for everyone! Good call P31W.
Oh! BTW P31W: You can run as the VP for my election. Are you on board?
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 11:59:08 AM
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IonMoon
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Perhaps in your city, but I've been walking, on average, 16 miles a week for exercise during the last 9.5 years and have found, perhaps, $3 in change, mostly pennies. My walk oftens goes by the place where Food Stamps are obtained, the County Health deptartment, and a low-income clinic. It is more rare to find a loose penny in those 3 places than anywhere else I walk.
I dropped a quarter on my way to work the other day. It rolled off the sidewalk to a grassy area between two buildings. I left it there just for kicks... When I took a walk a few hours later. It was gone! Hope it went towards something useful!
Walking in the city, I have not ever found any change. I saw a penny the other day, but I was crossing a busy street so didn't risk it. A few times I was short phone or bus money (the express bus takes a few more quarters than the regular bus) and actively LOOKED for change along the street and never found anything!
In my little home town, I found a $20 on my way to work one day. That brought a smile to my face...
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 12:01:32 PM
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IonMoon
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YES! YES! Free limo's for everyone! Good call P31W.
Oh! BTW P31W: You can run as the VP for my election. Are you on board
I'm actually allergic to cheese, so bring along some organic Turkey sticks for me.
Thank you!
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 2:46:51 PM
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Am I the only one wondering why this is even an issue?
Who in their right mind would be against the idea of having people actually prove their identity before being allowed to vote?
Sheesh....
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 3:13:44 PM
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freakofnature
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Who in their right mind would be against the idea of having people actually prove their identity before being allowed to vote?
Yes tafkam, the reality is that there are those that don't feel it is necessary to have individuals show some id before being given a token of our freedom a/k/a a ballot. By allowing illegal aliens to vote, dead people to vote, criminals, and all of the sordid members of society that vote early and often, generally it allows for one party to get a bit of the edge over another. but SSSHHHHHH! The libs might hear this and think that we conservs. are demeaning the poor lower class.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 3:19:49 PM
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Such a simple remedy to stop much of the fraud of voting.
I also like the idea used in some foriegn countries of dipping ones finger or hand into indelable ink when they vote; certainly stops folks from multiple voting.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 3:29:56 PM
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bzirk
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Such a simple remedy to stop much of the fraud of voting.
I also like the idea used in some foriegn countries of dipping ones finger or hand into indelable ink when they vote; certainly stops folks from multiple voting.
Thanks
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Oh, no, we can't have that. Why someone might have an allergic reaction and sue. 
Tafkam,
You took the words out of my mouth. It is absolutely absurd that we would not require identification -- especially since we have open borders.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 3:35:31 PM
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Does that mean that they will have to actually dig up the dead people who vote and present them to the election officers? Gee, that hardly seems fair..............
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 3:57:22 PM
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freakofnature
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Does that mean that they will have to actually dig up the dead people who vote and present them to the election officers?
No! In fact, that only happens in New York when trying to cash in your dead neighbors social security check. No ID required there either.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 4:16:54 PM
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I'm sorry but I am sick and tired of this mentality that the government ought to step in and pay for every nickel and dime people claim they cannot afford. When it comes down to it, it is not the government paying for anything, it is the taxpayer. IF someone is soooo poor that they cannot afford $10 every four years, I suppose I have to ask what was their responsibility in it for the way that their financial situation is. I can guarantee you that at least 95% of those that could not afford to save $0.25 a week are in their current situation because somewhere in their life they messed up big time and are now flat broke. Most of these people also could get out of such dire poverty that a quarter a week is going to make or break them if they really wanted to. And they could get out of it pretty quickly. Especially if they are serious about voting.
Also I might add that all this talk from one to another in this thread of "well you must be one of those that is well-off" is a bit much to take. Obviously, ALL of us who are here adding our two cents are well-off in comparison to the extremely poor, by the simple fact that we all have computers with internet access, something I'm sure those in complete financial despair don't.
Anyway I am really not trying to attack anyone who has posted previous to me, so please don't take my little rant to mean that, I am just frustrated with the whole situation. I think the ID should be required, to prevent those who are not citizens from voting and to prevent many other types of voter fraud that could occur. And I think it is really idiotic to propose that the government (I mean taxpayer) pay for the ID. This STILL does not make it free. Maybe if it was meant to be totally free to vote we ought to pay for government officials to drive around door to door collecting votes so that the poor grandmothers in wheelchairs don't have to spend the time and gas money leaving their house to get to the voting booth.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 4:24:29 PM
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bzirk
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For all of you who think id should be required, let your elected officials know. If you have never written a letter to your elected officials, this is a good time to start.
It used to amaze me when people would go on and on about something like this and yet when asked, would say they had never contacted an elected official. Of course the justification was that it would make no difference. I didn't understand that mentality years ago, but I do now. Frankly, this year that defeated attitude has really affected me. But I've got to overcome it, and so do the rest of us. If government really is by, of and for the people, we have to make our wishes known.
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RE: ID's to vote - 6/10/2008 4:29:45 PM
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Sophie11
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You are already supposed to show ID to vote where I'm from. The biggest problem I guess is that it is never checked or enforced.
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