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This administration has time and again shown it's lack of competency in carrying out the WOT.

No attacks on US soil since 9/11; the administration is doing something right.

Thanks
RC

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This is quite true though I haven't heard of a percentage so high. There is more than enough to convince me that enough are in Gitmo that have no business being detained and no due process to challenge it. THAT is my problem with Gitmo.

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Seton Hall found the Government’s claim that those detained at Guantánamo
were the “worst of the worst”6 to be at odds with the Department of Defense’s own
evidence. Among Seton Hall’s findings were that: Fifty-five percent (55%) of detainees
were not alleged to have committed any hostile acts against the United States or its allies;
only eight percent (8%) of detainees were characterized as al-Qa`ida fighters; and five
percent (5%) of detainees were captured by United States forces, whereas eighty-six
percent (86%) were captured by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and handed over
to the United States at a time when the United States offered large bounties for capture of
suspected enemies.

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1. West Point confirms Seton Hall’s finding that ninety-five percent (95%) of
those detained as enemy combatants were not alleged to have been captured
by United States forces.
2. This fact, confirmed by West Point, directly contradicts the executive branch’s
contention that Guantánamo was populated by individuals who were “picked
up on the battlefield, fighting American forces, trying to kill American
forces.”
3. Upon further examination, the data shows that only twenty-one (21) of the
516 detainees in Guantànamo are accused of ever having been on a battlefield.
4. Only one (1) detainee in Guantànamo was alleged to have been captured by
United States forces on a battlefield.
5. These new battlefield statistics are corroborated by Department of Defense
data revealing that (a) fifty-five percent (55%) of those detained were never
accused of committing a hostile act; (b) ninety-two percent (92%) were never
accused of being a fighter; and (c) sixty percent (60%) were accused not of
being members of al-Qa`ida or the Taliban, but merely of being “associated”
with those groups.

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The Supreme Court gets it right? The only opinion on the Supreme court that had an inkling of what is at stake here was Justice Roberts and Scalia. In a scathing dissent Roberts points out:

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The Supreme Court gets it right? The only opinion on the Supreme court that had an inkling of what is at stake here was Justice Roberts and Scalia. In a scathing dissent Roberts points out:

Thomas also dissented...don't forget Thomas!

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Thomas also dissented...don't forget Thomas!

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Thomas and Roberts. Two intellectual giants. they didn't read post #77 either.

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It has threatened further attacks against our homeland; one need only walk about buttressed and barricaded Washington, or board a plane anywhere in the country, to know that the threat is a serious one.

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Today the Court strikes down as inadequate the most generous set of procedural protections ever afforded aliens detained by this country as enemy combatants.

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Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U. S. 763 (1950), when he established the prison at Guantanamo Bay for enemy aliens. Citing that case, the President’s Office of Legal Cite as: 553 U. S. ____ (2008) 3 SCALIA, J., dissenting Counsel advised him “that the great weight of legal authority indicates that a federal district court could not properly exercise habeas jurisdiction over an alien detained at [Guantanamo Bay].”

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America is at war with radical Islamists. The enemy began by killing Americans and American allies abroad: 241 at the Marine barracks in Lebanon, 19 at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, 224 at our embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, and 17 on the USS Cole in Yemen.

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without bothering to say what due process rights the detainees possess, without explaining how the statute fails to vindicate those rights, and before a single petitioner has even attempted to avail himself of the law’s operation.

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Thomas and Roberts. Two intellectual giants. they didn't read post #77 either.

That is because it is irrelevent to the fact that the left just guaranteed the deaths of more people in this war, including potential detainees.

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Depends on whether we pay bounties on warm bodies, no questions asked.

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Depends on whether we pay bounties on warm bodies, no questions asked.

Cold bodies, actually, which would be one logical result of this ruling.

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I became convinced of the seriousness when Bush tried to open the floodgates to the Illegals.

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Sounds effecient "Hey, want to make some money? Go tell me to arrest someone and send them to Gitmo".

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Once again what did Salim Hamdan do that justified going to Gitmo for several years?

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So who is the enemy? All Muslims? Hezbollah Al-Hejaz? Hebollah? AQ? Can someone please name an enemy that Scalia mentions that has something to do with Iraq?

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That is the flaw in this ruling. Without that comment I was going to recommend Scalia join Sandra since there is something making his usual brilliant brain act senile or something.

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Depends on whether we pay bounties on warm bodies, no questions asked.

Cold bodies, actually, which would be one logical result of this ruling.

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baloney. Most of these people were noncombatants and posed no particular threat. If we were so concerned about their welfare, we wouldn't put them in a prison with an indefinite stay and no due process. You know, one big loser in all this is John Lindt, the American caught up in the fighting. As the facts have come to light, he was probably about as much a threat to the US as Drew Carey.

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Sounds effecient "Hey, want to make some money? Go tell me to arrest someone and send them to Gitmo".

Now it will be, “Hey, want to make some money? Bring me the bodies of terrorists” apparently a result the left prefers.

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baloney. Most of these people were noncombatants and posed no particular threat. If we were so concerned about their welfare, we wouldn't put them in a prison with an indefinite stay and no due process. You know, one big loser in all this is John Lindt, the American caught up in the fighting. As the facts have come to light, he was probably about as much a threat to the US as Drew Carey.

You seem not to understand what Scalia said. If we can't bring them home to question them and find out how involved they are in terrorist operations they willbe dealt with elsewhere - and many more people will die.

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Hey, I'm on the right and cold bodies of terrorists sound okay to me! And I'd be willing to pay someone for it, too. A much better way to spend my tax dollars, if you ask me.

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Then charge the prisoners with something. Holding them indefinitely without charge is both immoral and evil. It's a violation of basic human rights.

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baloney. Most of these people were noncombatants and posed no particular threat. If we were so concerned about their welfare, we wouldn't put them in a prison with an indefinite stay and no due process. You know, one big loser in all this is John Lindt, the American caught up in the fighting. As the facts have come to light, he was probably about as much a threat to the US as Drew Carey.

You seem not to understand what Scalia said. If we can't bring them home to question them and find out how involved they are in terrorist operations they willbe dealt with elsewhere - and many more people will die.

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And if the administration had actually done that in some organized way, this case would not have been before the court. The turning point was the inability of the administration to devfelop a process to do that. The administration believed they had no reason to account for the containment of prisoners. Again, the administration has nobody to blame. The solution will be to get back into Congress and hash out some due process. Since they messed it up so badly, the White house squandered away the credibility and public confidence that is needed to push something through congress that will make legal sense.

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Again, the Supremes did not strike down the notion of holding combatants (contrary to the hystrionics), just the idea that it can be done indefinitely with no opportunity for a prisoner to bve faced with evidence. War criminals are not a new think. There's an International Court, there were war trials after WWII. It's not like the administration had to invent the wheel. There are plenty of models to use including the Military's.

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To those who say the constitution does not apply to non-citizens: On what do you base this opinion? I cannot find this in the constitution.

Second question: where do rights come from? I believe that the declaration of independence got it right: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights endowed by our creator. Maybe this reality trumps any constitutional argument.

I understand that a person may forfeit these rights, but I don't believe that it should be without due process.

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Secondly, this will not get anyone out of Gitmo, nor clarify the fate of the prisoners therein – simply put them on an endless merry-go-round of court appeals and responses, slowing down our efforts, but doing nothing to solve the problems.

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the blood of those who die as a result will be on the head of five justices and those who pushed for such measures.