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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 6:43:01 PM
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earthless
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That was failure from Bush and the rest. The crying shame to me was to watch black people get dogs and guns drawn on them by Lee.
No blame for the mayor of NO? For the governor?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 6:44:53 PM
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earthless
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Can you show me pictures where people looted someones house and took their belongings?
You honestly don't think the criminals (gang bangers, etc..) that lived there did not do any of that?
Also, has anyone mentioned how monies the Democrat Mayor received to fix levee issues used the money for something else? Nah.. then we can't blame President Bush.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 7:35:44 PM
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No blame for the mayor of NO? For the governor?
Yes, earthless, if you read a page or 2 earlier, I said theya re to blame also.
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You honestly don't think the criminals (gang bangers, etc..) that lived there did not do any of that?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 8:06:37 PM
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Thank you.
Do you have the study done by Tulane? I believe about the cops in NO before Katrina, there is plenty of blame to go around!
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 8:09:26 PM
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Can you show me pictures where people looted someones house and took their belongings?
Are you saying that looting and taking from business is any different from taking from private residences? I'm sure tho that if one were to ask local residents, some had things come up missing due to someone else's lack of decency.
Either way it's stealing and wrong - NO matter what the color of the skin a person lives in.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 9:14:16 PM
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That was failure from Bush and the rest. The crying shame to me was to watch black people get dogs and guns drawn on them by Lee.
No blame for the mayor of NO? For the governor?
Just a clarification here, in this instant Nagin isn't the one to lay blame on. Harry Lee was the sheriff of Jefferson Parish, not Orleans Parish. It's a totally different jurisdiction. Harry was tough but he did the job he was elected to do, protect the citizens of Jefferson Parish.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 9:18:36 PM
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People don't need to be victimized twice in a disaster. Looters do that. I am not talking about finding food, water and dry clothes. Carting off flat screen tv's, furs, jewelry, commercial stoves and other nonessential items is another thing. The pictures show the truth.
Can you show me pictures where people looted someones house and took their belongings?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC26kPraSF8&feature=related
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0328/p01s02-ussc.html?s=t5
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/26/2008 4:56:06 AM
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The circumstances of the two floods are quite different.
As has already been pointed out, evacuating 500,000 people is a large task. It carries a large cost, a large risk to personal property left behind, and even a risk to a few human lives. When hurricane Rita hit Houston a few weeks after Katrina, people were evacuated on buses, and a few of them died on the bus.
In retrospect, the mayor should certainly ordered an evacuation, using commandeered school buses. However, the best weather estimates were that Katrina was going to give New Orleans a glancing blow. That is in fact what happened. The eye came ashore in Mississippi or Alabama. And the best estimates were that the levees were going to withstand that kind of glancing blow. Those estimates turned out to be wrong. So the decision not to evacuate was not as obviously wrong at the time as it turned out to be.
Cooperation between city, state and federal emergency relief was terrible in Katrina. It has been somewhat improved since then. In particular, the state delayed a day or two before asking the federal relief to go in, and the federals waited to be asked.
Once the Ward 9 was flooded, the water had no place to go. As others have written, it's below sea level. The water had to be pumped out, a matter of weeks. During that time, mold did as much damage as water had already done.
Rescue of stranded victims was very slow, and as victims became more desperate, their behavior got worse.
Cities that suffer a complete collapse of law suffer more crime than rural areas. That's true whether the city is New Orleans, Los Angeles after the Rodney King riots, or Baghdad after the collapse of the Saddam regime.
Differences in character between rural folk and city folk may have something to do with it. Difference in circumstances also play a part.
As far as the government doling out money to help deal with the crisis, I'll remind us that the government has just finished sending out stimulus checks to all of us, to help us deal with the flood of debt most of us have built up over the years, and help us keep on consuming.
What should we do in this crisis, or any crisis? We should do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with our God.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/26/2008 8:18:34 AM
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Cities that suffer a complete collapse of law suffer more crime than rural areas. That's true whether the city is New Orleans, Los Angeles after the Rodney King riots, or Baghdad after the collapse of the Saddam regime.
Differences in character between rural folk and city folk may have something to do with it. Difference in circumstances also play a part.
Maybe you need to tell this guy that! Or maybe he has that rural paranoia of crime?
Down the block from where Young lives, Andy Watson, a roofer, is now living – appropriately enough – on his roof. For the last few days, Watson has kept a lonely vigil, watching for would-be looters drawn by news accounts of communities that have cleared out in front of the cresting Mississippi.
"You know how thieves are," Watson said during a tour of his makeshift living quarters located about 10 feet above the ground. "Once the water starts going down, you guys aren't going to be here and the National Guard will go home. That's when they come to get you."
Like several of their neighbors, Watson and Young were drawn to this tiny village of less than 200 people when property values plummeted in the wake of the 1993 floods.
What's there to loot when a house is flooded anyway? It's not like any of the electronics will work and the cars will be undriveable as well! Maybe the looters forgot their scuba gear!
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/27/2008 7:55:39 AM
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Why is it that we're not seeing anything about the midwest flooding that resembles what we saw after Katrina hit New Orleans?
Why are we not seeing footage of people blaming Bush, the governer, the mayor, the federal government, my Uncle Bob, etc? Why are we not seeing footage of people demanding bank cards? Why are we not seeing footage of people looting?
What is it about the midwestern people that differs so greatly from the New Orleans people?
I live north of Milwaukee, where there were two surrounding community intersections that were shut down because of flooding.
However, we did not experience NEAR the amount of flooding, devastation as New Orleans. I pray that our government does more to help the people of New Orleans. I still can't fathom how the government failed people at such a tragic time - and STILL there are people without homes, living in poor conditions.
Peace and God bless,
There are still people displaced by flooding that took place in Ohio two years ago. They're homes are destroyed, no flood insurance, they are managing day to day the best they can. Ever hear about that on the news?
Do you mean in 2004? FEMA did reach out to them: http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=12482.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/27/2008 8:06:40 AM
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Lizahana
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I still can't fathom how the government failed people at such a tragic time -
Because the government was the PROBLEM. It wasn't the feds that did wrong...it was the inept corrupt local government which hindered the feds.
Blaming Bush is easier than searching out the truth...eh?
I believe Jesse Jackson went to NO. How come he isn't going to Iowa?
Well, I respectfully disagree. There has to be a federal agency to step in during natural disasters - especially when the flooding goes across state borders. If the federal government can't be there to help during natural disasters, what good is it?
I think it's pretty much accepted that the feds, state and local governments failed miserably - but especially the feds - at handling Katrina. Even Joe Scaraborough said as much.
Peace and God bless,
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