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RE: Come build with me. - 6/25/2008 5:37:29 PM
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joy2give2u
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Rach it is so weird to see you on so late........how is the working so late working for you?
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/25/2008 5:39:50 PM
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....... I am an hour behind you guys now...
It's just before 5 here...
The hours are okay.... I've been pretty tired though.... It's been hard to get up in the mornings!!!
I'm hoping to get back on my 'old' schedule.... I really enjoyed walking in the mornings before the rest of the world was awake... makes for some good God time! ;o)
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/25/2008 5:41:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: mutinywxgirl
Why am I cracking you up? 
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...... you just do... I think it's how easily you laugh... it's contagious!
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/25/2008 5:43:36 PM
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....... I'm agreein' wit allayahs!
Woot for Central time zone!!! We get to play later!!! 
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/25/2008 5:48:58 PM
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Some of you are probably still sleeping when I'm driving into work (at least at the college job), and most definitely tomorrow morning when I have to leave my house at 6:45am!
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The day true love died. The day true love died.
Lisa is happy THE ROWDIES ARE BACK!
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/25/2008 5:54:22 PM
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I'm in Eastern - and believe me, I need that stored up coffee. I'll be up at 4:30 tomorrow morning - time to read through the book again, and get prepared for the day. Looking forward to what God has to say through it - especially as I am entering an entire new world for me! (this is a teacher's recruiting event)
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When blood and water hit the ground.
Walls we couldn't move came crashing down.
We were free and made alive.
The day true love died. The day true love died.
Lisa is happy THE ROWDIES ARE BACK!
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/25/2008 7:20:31 PM
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Upon a quick read through chapter 2 ... do you see take courage listed three times? I love that!
Take courage: bravery; an ability to confront ... fear, pain, danger, uncertainty
It's taking action. Not backing down.
As children of God, we can take courage. We have Him on our side when we are seeking His will. His will is, of course, all important. And we can move mountains if that's what His will is for us. We have no need to be afraid. We will wake up each morning and put on the armor of God and bravely head out to whatever battle we are faced with.
Two other things that jumped out at me immediately were in verse 9. The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former ... and in this place I will give peace.
This house will be greater - how awesome is that! Can you imagine the splendor!! And He will give peace.
peace ... self explanatory here
And then verse 19. Is the seed still in the barn? ... it has not borne fruit. Yet from this day on I will bless you.
The seed, unplanted, no fruit ... yet He will bless them.
It seems to me that He is giving them another chance. Although they have allowed the temple to fall into disarray, they have not been fruitful ... and yet, He still offers them His peace and His blessings.
Do we deserve that? No. But through His great grace and mercy, He extends it to us. His love is unconditional. He never gives up on us.
Let us rebuild His temple and give Him the honor He so rightly deserves.
Let us open the door to our hearts when He knocks. Every single time. As believers, we have done this. But have we become so wrapped up in our own busyness that we forget to check and make sure the door has remained open? He is watching. He is patient. He is reminding us to keep the door open ... to Him.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 9:07:55 AM
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And then verse 19. Is the seed still in the barn? ... it has not borne fruit. Yet from this day on I will bless you.
The seed, unplanted, no fruit ... yet He will bless them.
Wow Sam...........I was going to post what God showed me until I read these words and they jumped out at me powerfully.........The seed, unplanted,.........yet in the barn.............wow
The seed is already there.......everything we are to be, to do, and to receive.... the seed has already been placed in us, in the barn..........when we came to Christ......when we accepted Jesus putting us back in right alignment......in right relationship.........wow
I am sorry that is just so powerful........
We are no longer under the curse of the first Adam but are under the freedom of the second......
And when he took up residence within us he brought with him, into us, every single seed needed for us to be exactly who he created us to be.
Isn't that just an awesome thought.......the seed is already there.....inside our old, rusty,run down barns is every fruit baring seed God desires for us.........
The seed is there....and in His timing.....as we walk closer and closer with him.... he will plant those seeds in the fertile soil of our hearts......then he will water those seeds with His Word, His voice, and lead us to people, circumstances, and experiences which will fertilize them......until they grow huge and bountiful..........producing much fruit.
Wow Sam thank you so much for posting..........What God showed you is speaking so much to me.....giving me such hope......
Thank you Lord for speaking to us each and allowing the things you speak to us when shared to speak even more...........Thank you Father for all the seeds already planted and growing in our lives and thank you for the reminder all the other seeds are in the barn waiting for just the right soil and time to plant in order to produce the best crops.......WOW I love you so much Lord.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 10:08:00 AM
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And then verse 19. Is the seed still in the barn? ... it has not borne fruit. Yet from this day on I will bless you.
The seed, unplanted, no fruit ... yet He will bless them.
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....... woot!!!!  this is cool!!!!
Thanks for posting, Sam!
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 10:13:24 AM
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Morning everyone. Ok, not only did I "read" again, I pulled out 2 different study bibles after reading through again without "commentaries". One was a Chuck Swindoll Study Bible, one was a NIV version Life Application Study Bible. What was kind of cool was that some of what I was thinking about was "in" the commentaries. Things like "...the desired of the nations..." I was wondering if it could be a reference to the Messiah. One of the commentaries mentioned that! It said that the Hebrew word used could refer to individuals or to articles of value, that it could mean the contributions of King Darius to the temple, or could refer to Jesus - and I thought or to both! In later reading, the part about "shaking the earth, sea and nations" (mentioned in 2 places), could have been something (I believe it was Persia that invaded or something again- a bit rusty about that kind of thing) to happen "soon", or could be the 2nd coming of Jesus. Again, why couldn't it be both? After all, God knew both of them were going to happen! What we call the Bible is the living word of God. Why would it be limited to a point in time? Then the line "Word of God speak..." came to my mind, and I thought how cool that he was "speaking" to those of Haggai's time at the same time he was speaking to me, thousands of years in the future. Pretty Cool.
Another thing one Study Bible mentioned was that in those days, God manifested his presence in the place of worship. If there was no temple, the tangible or visable presence of God, a shining light, was not among his people. They didn't have the Holy Spirit in them yet. It also said that the captives were taken 66 years before Haggai's message. That there had been 16 years between their starting the building of the temple when they had first come home to Zion and when Haggai began to speak. Wow, 16 years in between. 16 years of putting off the building of God's house. Did you also notice that what God first said was "These people have said..." not "MY people", "THESE people". In 2:14, He says "This people". They were still not referred to as "His" yet. There was futility in all their pursuits- planting but not much to harvest, drinking/eating but not being filled, clothed but not being warmed, money that did not go far enough (boy can I relate to that one!)...
They had returned to Zion, the Holy land, the home of God's temple, but they were not obeying the Lord. They were not "a holy people"- not "My people". I was kind of mulling this around in my mind, not as well put together as this, but kind of mulling/rolling it around when I read the part of the commenarty that said that consecreted meat was meat set aside for sacrifice- "holy" meat. Because the consecrated meat came into direct contact with the garment it would make the garment "holy", but this would not extend to a 3rd item touched only by the garment. Transmitting (cermonial) holiness was not as easily done as transmitting (cermonial) uncleaness. It made me think - how much easier is it for each of us to sin that to be "holy"? Hmm, that which I want to do (that is good/holy), I do not do; but that which I do not wish to do (sin)... that I do. Who will ransome me from this life of sin and death?--- Thank you Jesus!! Have I heard this somewhere before ?
I think (not sure if I'm remembering right at the moment) the last time Haggai spoke the Lords words, he said "So it is with this nation, this people" that everything they had done to that point was "unclean", not acceptable to God. But when they had again rebuilt, or at least started the rebuilding- not sure how far they were at that point, and winter planting time came; the Lord said From this day on He would bless them.
"Give careful thought to your ways" says the Lord" ... are we listening? Am I listening?
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 10:18:57 AM
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....... ooooooo...... good stuff, HnS!!! I will have to read that all again!!! 
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 11:15:54 AM
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Zerubbabel and Joshua were the leaders in the attitude change. The others easily followed them. Often when circumstances or people around us seem difficult... we find ourselves taking on their negativity... if we can find the strength to take on the positive attitude of the LORD... we can break chains by our example.
Yes. How often do those in positions of *leadership* ... and I am referring to those who toot their horn the loudest as well as those who are in actual leadership, be it government, our supervisors at work, our pastors, our parents ... forget that others are watching and following their example, which is demonstrated through their actions as well as their words. Negativity leads to more negativity. Positive and encouraging words and attitudes lead to more positive and encouraging words and attitudes.
But if we keep our eyes focused on the Lord ... what an example He has set!! He demonstrates unconditional love. He demonstrates true justice. He demonstrates maintaining a relationship with His Heavenly Father above all else, even when tired He makes it a priority. Do we do that? Is that how we strive to be?
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What we call the Bible is the living word of God. Why would it be limited to a point in time? Then the line "Word of God speak..." came to my mind, and I thought how cool that he was "speaking" to those of Haggai's time at the same time he was speaking to me, thousands of years in the future. Pretty Cool.
Pretty Cool ... what an understatement!
It is truly amazing and awesome that the Word does speak to the times of so many years ago as much as it does now.
Word of God speak ...
May it never cease speaking to us. And may we always keep our hearts open to hearing It!
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that which I want to do (that is good/holy), I do not do; but that which I do not wish to do (sin)... that I do.
Yes, it is so much easier to do what we should not do. 
Why?
We know what to do, but we do not do it.
Why do we continue on in this manner?
Is the world more powerful than our God? No way!!
Is it peer pressure? Are we still being overcome with peer pressure, no matter our age? Hmm ... easier to go with the flow than against it.
But our God is so much more powerful than the world ... He is reaching out His hand to help us. Are we reaching for it when we need to lean on His strength?
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"Give careful thought to your ways" says the Lord" ... are we listening? Am I listening?
Something we all need to be asking ourselves ...
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 1:05:25 PM
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Hey Rach, I've been wondering where that Cowboy that called us wimps has been so far today... how about you? Hmm, could he have "wimped out" on us and not read it???? LOL.
This has been great so far.
I'm waiting to hear from Joy today too!
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Dear Lord, let my words today be as sweet and delicious as cheesecake... for tomorrow I may have to eat them!
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 1:09:21 PM
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(I read - and listened to my pastor preach on the book - but haven't had time to get it all down here - will try to do so tonight. I had to be up at 4am today - so I'm not coherent at the moment.)
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When blood and water hit the ground.
Walls we couldn't move came crashing down.
We were free and made alive.
The day true love died. The day true love died.
Lisa is happy THE ROWDIES ARE BACK!
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 1:15:54 PM
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They had returned to Zion, the Holy land, the home of God's temple, but they were not obeying the Lord. They were not "a holy people"- not "My people". I was kind of mulling this around in my mind, not as well put together as this, but kind of mulling/rolling it around when I read the part of the commenarty that said that consecrated meat was meat set aside for sacrifice- "holy" meat. Because the consecrated meat came into direct contact with the garment it would make the garment "holy", but this would not extend to a 3rd item touched only by the garment. Transmitting (ceremonial) holiness was not as easily done as transmitting (ceremonial) uncleanness. It made me think - how much easier is it for each of us to sin that to be "holy"? Hmm, that which I want to do (that is good/holy), I do not do; but that which I do not wish to do (sin)... that I do. Who will ransome me from this life of sin and death?--- Thank you Jesus!! Have I heard this somewhere before ? wow Kalee that really made me stand up and notice.............the thought which came to mind reading about the consecrated meat.....how it would make the garment holy but would not extend to any touched by the garment........If the Holy spirit is our Holy Meat per say......and accepting Christ's sacrifice makes us Holy......the Holy spirit in us making us Holy.........yet everything we touch does not become Holy.......but it can be made unclean by our actions..........makes me think......Even though our choices, our putting our own lives, ministries, relationships etc first before God's house doesn't remove the glory of God on us but does prevent him, the Holy Spirit, from touching others through us.
Does that make sense?
I know there is more to that....more God wants to show me.........I am just not sure yet what he is saying to me..........but I do know my family, the girls, my friends........mean way to much to me for my choices to rob them of feeling the Holy touch of God.
If I can't die enough for my own sake will I for theirs?
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 1:40:22 PM
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