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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 2:31:00 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Evolution is a "religion" not a science.
Sunday School is not a place to get an adequate education in science.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 2:39:27 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
[Gen. 4:16
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt
in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen. 4:17
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, . . . .
What we "read into it" and what is there is not the same.
Cain took his wife with him when he left Eden and then
"knew" his wife in the new land and she had babies.
Hope that helped.
The scripture says Cain went out. It does not say Cain had anyone with him. You make an assumption. Others make different assumptions.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 2:46:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Evolution is a "religion" not a science.
Sunday School is not a place to get an adequate education in science.
Depends on the church.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 2:58:54 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Evolution is a "religion" not a science.
Sunday School is not a place to get an adequate education in science.
ROFL.
Neither is the public school system or advanced "learning" centers.
I have to "assume" you believe the Bible is a "lie."
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 2:59:55 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Evolution is a "religion" not a science.
Sunday School is not a place to get an adequate education in science.
Depends on the church.
Amen.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 3:01:43 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
[Gen. 4:16
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt
in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen. 4:17
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, . . . .
What we "read into it" and what is there is not the same.
Cain took his wife with him when he left Eden and then
"knew" his wife in the new land and she had babies.
Hope that helped.
The scripture says Cain went out. It does not say Cain had anyone with him. You make an assumption. Others make different assumptions.
"Do as thou wilt."
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 3:42:48 PM
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 4:13:53 PM
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Again, the whole of interpretation depends on whether one is a "literalist". A literal interpretation requires such an assumption.
You mean that literalist interpretation of the Bible means that one must take literally what was meant to be taken literally? Wow, whoda thunk dat.
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Your understanding of evolution is standard fundamentalist Sunday School fare and hardly worth discussion.
Don't recall ever having heard that in Sunday School. But then, that's not exactly a point in favor of Sunday School.
But I'll consider your remarks a point for me, because they brougth forth the "hardly worth talking about" response. You can always tell when you've hit home when that gets yelped out.
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However, if one takes the viewpoint that God inspired the scirptures be written for the needs of the time,...
Then you can make the Bible say whatever you want it to say and mean whatever you want it to mean.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 6:19:20 PM
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Again, the whole of interpretation depends on whether one is a "literalist". A literal interpretation requires such an assumption.
You mean that literalist interpretation of the Bible means that one must take literally what was meant to be taken literally? Wow, whoda thunk dat.
Which means each must decide how literally one interprets a given passage in context. Which is why we're not stoning people anymore nor do we take Revelation literally.
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However, if one takes the viewpoint that God inspired the scirptures be written for the needs of the time
Then you can make the Bible say whatever you want it to say and mean whatever you want it to mean.
Which is the standard fall back position for literalists. Actually where we disagree is not the meaning of the interpretation but the context. The scriptures had to be written for the people of the day, otherwise, there would have been insufficient reason for the painstaking efforts to compile and reproduce them by hand.
< Message edited by cow451 -- 7/10/2008 6:25:28 PM >
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 6:38:38 PM
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he scriptures had to be written for the people of the day
And some of it was, such as the Judaic Law (circumcision, not eating certain meats, not cutting one's hair, etc) BUT those laws were DECLARED exclusive. IOW, it was quite clear when a passage of scripture was directed to a certain group of people. Genesis is NOT one of these books. If it is, prove it. The Bible is also quite clear that the Judaic Law mentioned on the OT changed (actually was nullified) when Christ died and rose again. God's Word is not meant to be confusing. It is not meant to be divided and partitioned into a billion different pieces for every individual to fit their ideology.
Do you believe the 10 commandments in Exodus are literal commandments meant for all mankind?
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otherwise, there would have been insufficient reason for the painstaking efforts to compile and reproduce them by hand.
This is a very weak argument. Could it be that God valued His Words so much, and He realized how important they are to mankind in order to preserve Christianity that He kept His hand over His Words (which He values more than Himself - Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. ) to guide the preservation process so that mankind would be given the WHOLE Word of God? Why? Perhaps because the WHOLE Word of God was meant for the WHOLE of humanity? You have based you interpretation of God's Word upon your knowledge, and you aren't being fait to yourself or God.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 9:42:12 PM
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/10/2008 10:01:33 PM
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I know this seems a bit off subject, but in order to clarify "where did all the people come from" one must figure out how to interpret the Bible, specifically.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/11/2008 5:12:01 PM
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Or to put it another way, one must read the Bible in context and original intent. The historical narrative account of Genesis is literal history, just as Lapidoth stated on the previous page. People come from other people, just like they always have and always will!
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/11/2008 6:44:16 PM
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The historical narrative account of Genesis is literal history, just as Lapidoth stated on the previous page. People come from other people, just like they always have and always will!
Which is why a short debate on whether a passage that is used to answer the OP's question is literal or not. If it's not a literal passage, then one can not use it to answer the question.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/13/2008 10:32:23 AM
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Did Adam and Eve have daughters before having Seth? And if so, were all the people that the LORD had to protect Cain from his brothers and sisters?
Is anyone as confused as I am? Any thoughts?
According to the rules of interpretation by Rabbi Eliezer:
The particles “et”, “gam”, and “af”, which are superfluous indicate that something which is not explicitly stated must be regarded as included in the passage under consideration, or that some teaching is implied thereby.
This rule is used by Rashi to derive that Cain had a twin sister and Abel has two twin sisters (triplets).
And example in English might look like this:
Eve bore] Cain. Eve bore]] Abel.
The character ], representing the et, gam or af hebrew characters, says that more were born than just Cain.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/13/2008 7:57:28 PM
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That's fascinating, rcjones! Do you have a reference to Rabbi Eliezer or know any other Hebrew scholar that shares this view?
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/14/2008 8:20:53 AM
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I think I first ran across it while reading Rashi. He summarizes the arguments of many early rabbis.
Eliezer was so esteemed that they made myths of his history and googling him can bring up several.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 7/14/2008 3:27:25 PM
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Did Adam and Eve have daughters before having Seth? And if so, were all the people that the LORD had to protect Cain from his brothers and sisters?
Is anyone as confused as I am? Any thoughts?
According to the rules of interpretation by Rabbi Eliezer:
The particles “et”, “gam”, and “af”, which are superfluous indicate that something which is not explicitly stated must be regarded as included in the passage under consideration, or that some teaching is implied thereby.
This rule is used by Rashi to derive that Cain had a twin sister and Abel has two twin sisters (triplets).
And example in English might look like this:
Eve bore] Cain. Eve bore]] Abel.
The character ], representing the et, gam or af hebrew characters, says that more were born than just Cain.
Wow! That is very interesting! I've never heard that before.
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RE: Genesis: Where did all the people come from? - 8/13/2008 12:00:52 PM
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It's obvious that Cain married his [sister, niece, cousin, etc.]
How many kids can a couple have that lives nearly a millennium?
More than I would care to feed. LOL.
Here's one of those myths?
which sister?
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