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RE: Community Service Required for Graduation? - 7/14/2008 1:35:56 PM
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bzirk
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ORIGINAL: garsyt I see this as a way of trying to get teenagers to think beyond themselves! Something many teens simply can't or refuse to do. I mean think about it - what would a 14 year old boy rather do: Spend the afternoon playing video games or spend the afternoon with a bunch of 9 year old cub scouts setting up for a campout? Community service - even required community service isn't a bad thing or a "sentence" or even slave labor. It's teaching them to do something for someone else without expecting reward. There is such rampant selfishness and self-centeredness amongst many young people today that requiring kids to look beyond themselves for a change, might actually do this country some good. Blessings, Garsy I agree in principle that community service is a way to get kids (and adults) to think beyond themselves and benefit their communities and impact the world. But making this mandatory, as a function of school, as well as attaching federal funds to it usurps the parents. Character training should be primarily the function of parents, and the school's primary function should be academics. Let's remember that this thread is not about protesting community service and volunteerism- it is about the concerns that a federal program that rewards schools with money for mandatory community service from students is a far cry from families deciding to unselfishly be involved in serving their community or country. Our school district requires it, and they've really pushed it in the last few years. I wondered why all the zeal, and it didn't take me long to figure out it was about receiving money. If teachers are designated with a certain status of coordinator, they can receive more pay, which is funded by the state. This is another way to get money into the back pockets of the teachers. I'm all for teachers getting paid, but I get weary of the social engineering the state requires them to participate in so they can -- all the while cloaking it in altruistic efforts.
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RE: Community Service Required for Graduation? - 7/14/2008 1:39:46 PM
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bzirk
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Is it really community service if the kids are getting the payoff of graduation requirements met? I wonder. OTOH, I can understand the logic of exposing kids to service. I guess I don't receive the gesture too well from public schools because of all the pseudo-altruistic and holier than thou attitudes that seem to emanate so readily from state sponsored programs.
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RE: Community Service Required for Graduation? - 7/14/2008 1:50:26 PM
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This is an interesting topic. The school districts in which we live (two sort of overlap) have community service as a requirement. One reason I believe is that kids were doing it prior to it going on the books and were able to add this when applying to colleges. well, in the public school, lets make sure everyone is equal forumula, the administration took it over so they could funnel resources away from "personal agencies" to more "acceptable" agencies. so if you are someone who was involved with your church for missions, VBS, or other church sponsored programs, you now needed to add the schools agancy list as the churches was no longer accepted. This also now put everyone on equal footing. This is one of the contributing factors to why my children are now in private schools. My sos's high school (Catholic Prep) actually has opportunties for all students to participate in different community projects but this is more of a whole school approach.
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RE: Community Service Required for Graduation? - 7/14/2008 2:44:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: bzirk I guess I don't receive the gesture too well from public schools because of all the pseudo-altruistic and holier than thou attitudes that seem to emanate so readily from state sponsored programs. Bzirk, do you mean like this? The Pharisee school official stood and was praying saying this to himself: `God, I thank You I'm glad that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers parental rights-ers, or even like this tax collector slacker. `I fast do community service twice a week twenty hours a year; I pay tithes chip in for secret Santa of all that I get.' Luke 18:11,12 Because the story ends like this: everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted. As much as they are humbly doing this to train the students, there will be great successes. As much as they are in this to look good and for the money, these programs will become riddled with fraud and contention over not being 'fairly' served.
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RE: Community Service Required for Graduation? - 7/14/2008 3:15:02 PM
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bzirk
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ORIGINAL: bzirk I guess I don't receive the gesture too well from public schools because of all the pseudo-altruistic and holier than thou attitudes that seem to emanate so readily from state sponsored programs. Bzirk, do you mean like this? The Pharisee school official stood and was praying saying this to himself: `God, I thank You I'm glad that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers parental rights-ers, or even like this tax collector slacker. `I fast do community service twice a week twenty hours a year; I pay tithes chip in for secret Santa of all that I get.' Luke 18:11,12 Because the story ends like this: everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted. As much as they are humbly doing this to train the students, there will be great successes. As much as they are in this to look good and for the money, these programs will become riddled with fraud and contention over not being 'fairly' served. LOL! No question. I can hear it now, "If there were just enough funding...." We've had funding for social engineering out the ears, and are we better off? As for community service being taught, I have been teaching my kids to do something to help without expecting recognition. I mean if they're never recognized for helping, they should keep at it. It's not about what people think. It's about the Lord and doing what He desires of us. This is part of our identity as the Lord's children -- or it should be.
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