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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 2:59:00 PM
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theo_book
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No. Anyone who insists that the "only true church" is found in thousands of doctrines dividing Christ...
Earth to Theo, earth to Theo:
YOU are, what?, adding just one more schism and division in YOUR enlightened doctrine of home churchianity. Shame on you and your divisive home churchianity movement! Shame!
If you can, please explain how my refusing the schismatic assemblies of division to study scripture and practice Christian unity, becomes (in your words) "just one more schism and division?" Or are you claiming that YOUR brand of schism is better than my brand of unity?
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 3:01:27 PM
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The worst thing to happen in recent years is the rise in unchecked home churches, where people are not under any authority, and false teachings grow. The early church did not have a choice, we do.
The use of the word "unchecked" indicates a false believe that Christians must seek the blessings of some "pope" or "bishop" or "denominational headquarters" (or worse yet, of the federal goverment) before they can gather to worship and fellowship!
Therefore this comment is what I would term a wild accusation based upon urban myth-making. Home churches were the standard NT churches, and just because believers meet in a home does not mean there is no sound teaching and no biblical authority or leadership.
If anything it is the denominational churches where false teachings abound, and where liberal seminary professors promote their heresies through those they have influenced. It was the mainline denominations which were overwhelmingly infected with liberal unbelief in the late 19th and earlier 20th centuries.
The meeting place is not as critical as the nature of those who meet. One could meet in a park and still fulfill the requirements of a sound bibilical assembly.
And if a home church is worth its salt, it will not be content to remain a home church but will engage is effective outreach, expansion, and growth so that it has a public meeting place. Nonetheless, the meeting place is not the church according to Scripture. And a denominational division is not according to Scripture either.
AMEN! AMEN! FULLY AND COMPLETELY AMEN! I could NOT have said it as well.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 3:17:32 PM
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(theo) - What makes you think the churches in people's homes in the new testament were "viper pits" of doctrines? We use the new testament instead of doctrines and creeds of men, and catechisms. What is wrong with that?
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( JimboFletch) You got me there!
No... wait... uhmm... all those "home" churches in the NT were started and under the authority of the Apostles and recognized leaders. No lone rangers back then.
"Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: 4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles. 5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house."[Rom 16:3-5]
"Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house." [Col 4:15]
"Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer, 2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:" [Philmn 1:1-2]
Stephen going by himself, Saul and Barnabas alone, and etc. What do you mean by "Lone Rangers?" I do not find "lone Ranger" in scripture.
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Oh and by the way, the first century church DID have the books of the new testament. The Epistle written by John was the last and was written about 96 a.d., and I doubt it took over four years to get copies to all the churches. And if it did, they still had the men to teach who heard it from the apostles themselves. What is the problem with that?
I'm not bothering to make up for your lack of knowledge on that - go read some church history.
"And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." [Col 4:16]
"I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren." [I Thes 5:27]
Seems like some pretty clearcut "church history" to me.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 3:31:02 PM
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Exercising your vocabuloary does nothing toward making your point true.
Well shucks, Gomer, I kin talk as countryfied as you uns want ta. If yer a thankin' dere's iny virtue in ignertz, well suh, I kin play as dumb as a rock too. Wouldn't make me iny smarter then you doh, but I kin play ifn ya wants.
As fer as my boney fides:
I was born again and Holy Spirit indwelt in 1967 when I was 15 and have made it one of my highest priorities to understand the Bible as I've walked with my Savior. I'm 56, a husband of 36 years to my one and only, a daddy, and a grandpa.
Now you.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 3:33:40 PM
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JimboFletch
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Seems like some pretty clearcut "church history" to me.
Well, that wuz purty. Real purty. Dint prove ary a thang per yor claims, but it shore was purty, yeah boy. Purty. You are some kind of precious...
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 3:41:19 PM
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Stephen going by himself, Saul and Barnabas alone, and etc. What do you mean by "Lone Rangers?" I do not find "lone Ranger" in scripture.
Yawn...
Stephen was part of a church that was over 3,000 members strong. Go check it out. Quit picking and choosing, the NT is a whole, not a slice here and a piece there. That's what happens to lone rangers. Try again.
Now Paul & Barnabas, guess who sent them out? Yeah boy, they were missionaries of that big ol' church in Jerusalem. Paul went to those men to get their approval as to his doctrine and reported back for further confirmation on other issues. Paul wasn't a lone ranger. Try again.
Get a clue, Theo. (Now that you've shown what you know, I assume the "Theo" is for Theodore, cause it certainly ain't Theology and "book" must be as in "comic".)
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 4:33:04 PM
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(theo) Exercising your vocabulary does nothing toward making your point true.
(JimboFletch) Well shucks, Gomer, I kin talk as countryfied as you uns want ta. If yer a thankin' dere's iny virtue in ignertz, well suh, I kin play as dumb as a rock too. Wouldn't make me iny smarter then you doh, but I kin play ifn ya wants.
Well shucks gomer, your counterfeit countryfied does nothing toward making your point true either. You have evidently completelymissed the point.
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(JimboFletch) As fer as my boney fides:
(theo) Who said anything about boney fides?
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 4:34:46 PM
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theo_book
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Seems like some pretty clearcut "church history" to me.
Well, that wuz purty. Real purty. Dint prove ary a thang per yor claims, but it shore was purty, yeah boy. Purty. You are some kind of precious...
I think your attempt to contribute is deteriorating rapidly. Please rethink your commentary.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 4:43:53 PM
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Well shucks gomer, your counterfeit countryfied does nothing toward making your point true either. You have evidently completelymissed the point.
I'll have you know I was born and raised in the Deep South by Southern parents and I've lived in Alabama for the last 28 years. Nothing counterfeit about me or my accent.
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(theo) Who said anything about boney fides?
Okay, you want to hide behind that bluster, fine. I'll just assume you're a 17 year-old blond girl incarcerated in a reformatory trying to gain validation by posting outrageous topics in a Christian forum. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 4:48:41 PM
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Stephen going by himself, Saul and Barnabas alone, and etc. What do you mean by "Lone Rangers?" I do not find "lone Ranger" in scripture.
Yawn...
(JimboFletch) Stephen was part of a church that was over 3,000 members strong. Go check it out. Quit picking and choosing, the NT is a whole, not a slice here and a piece there. That's what happens to lone rangers. Try again.
(theo) So what are you claiming? That 3000 people went with Stephen to the desert? No, Stephen went alone.
As for the new testament being a whole, try telling that to those who head up the denominations with schism and division as their middle name. i.e, baptist denomination Christian; Methodist denomination Christian; and etc. All of your doctrines are comprised of a slice here and a piece there. "That's what happens to Lone rangers." I think I understand its application better now. It applies to OTHER people, never to self.
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(JimboFletch) Now Paul & Barnabas, guess who sent them out?
I hope you aren't going to claim credit for the brethren at the local church.
"As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto "I" have called them." [Acts 13:2]
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(JimboFletch) Yeah boy, they were missionaries of that big ol' church in Jerusalem. Paul went to those men to get their approval as to his doctrine and reported back for further confirmation on other issues.
Did that "big ol' church in Jerusalem" approve of the Holy spirit's butting in? Stealing their thunder? Getting all the credit? WoW. I am impressed.
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(JimboFletch) Get a clue, Theo. (Now that you've shown what you know, I assume the "Theo" is for Theodore, cause it certainly ain't Theology and "book" must be as in "comic".)
Now that you've shown what you DON'T KNOW, I still don't know what this dip into horsemanure jibberish is all about. And I think it violates the rules of the board to make fun of one's name.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 4:53:44 PM
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theo_book
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Well shucks gomer, your counterfeit countryfied does nothing toward making your point true either. You have evidently completelymissed the point.
(JimboFletch) I'll have you know I was born and raised in the Deep South by Southern parents and I've lived in Alabama for the last 28 years. Nothing counterfeit about me or my accent.
Sure there is. I will not find such language anywhere in the threads. I do not know your motive but it stinks. And it was nothing to do with any "accent" it references an insulting manner.
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(theo) Who said anything about boney fides?
(JimboFletch) Okay, you want to hide behind that bluster, fine. I'll just assume you're a 17 year-old blond girl incarcerated in a reformatory trying to gain validation by posting outrageous topics in a Christian forum. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.
Not by any standard you would know anything about. you want my "bonafides?"
I'm a Christian. THAT qualifies me to speak for the Master, and answer for the hope that lies within me.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 4:56:33 PM
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I'm a Christian. THAT qualifies me to speak for the Master, and answer for the hope that lies within me.
Sorry, ma'am, I haven't seen anything that you've posted that suggests you understand Jesus and, therefore, are qualified to speak for Him. The Holy Spirit within me does not witness to me of your qualification.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:00:41 PM
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JimboFletch
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(theo) So what are you claiming? That 3000 people went with Stephen to the desert? No, Stephen went alone.
Nobody can be as dense as you pretend - I hope.
Stephen and Paul and Barnabas did not come to any doctrine alone, they submitted to the leadership and greater consensus of the Church. To take a position that one can choose to separate oneself from other local churches and confirmation of doctrine is proof one is also separated from Truth.
You are you own worst example of what your position produces.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:16:56 PM
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We have a house church that is part of the Acts29 Network of church plants and we are in what is considered pre-launch until January 2009.
There is accountability, authority, etc. all in place.
And I must say after reading through this thread that I am more convinced about Mark 3:1-6...just heal the guy.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:23:13 PM
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I take it you will not commit yourself as to which church YOU think is the one true church. Smart move, but not Christianity.
So theo_book; which Church or group do you adhere to or attend?
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:28:35 PM
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I'm a Christian. THAT qualifies me to speak for the Master, and answer for the hope that lies within me.
Sorry, ma'am, I haven't seen anything that you've posted that suggests you understand Jesus and, therefore, are qualified to speak for Him. The Holy Spirit within me does not witness to me of your qualification.
That tells me you have the wrong spirit.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:37:21 PM
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(theo) So what are you claiming? That 3000 people went with Stephen to the desert? No, Stephen went alone.
Nobody can be as dense as you pretend - I hope.
Stephen and Paul and Barnabas did not come to any doctrine alone, they submitted to the leadership and greater consensus of the Church. To take a position that one can choose to separate oneself from other local churches and confirmation of doctrine is proof one is also separated from Truth.
You are you own worst example of what your position produces.
The Holy Spirit just witnessed to me of your qualifications.
Your statement "Paul and Barnabas did not come to any doctrine alone, they submitted to the leadership and greater consensus of the Church. To take a position that one can choose to separate oneself from other local churches and confirmation of doctrine is proof one is also separated from Truth" is a lie according to the testimony of the Holy Spirit
"But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I CONFERRED NOT with FLESH AND BLOOD: 17 NEITHER WENT I UP TO JERUSALEM to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. 18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him FIFTEEN DAYS." [Gal 1:15-18]
Where are these men of the Jerusalem you reference with such boasting?
This "leadership and greater consensus of the Church?" I think it is YOU who are the worst example of what YOUR position produces. you could at least read the scriptures before you make commitments therefrom.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:39:07 PM
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Now that you've shown what you DON'T KNOW, I still don't know what this dip into horsemanure jibberish is all about. And I think it violates the rules of the board to make fun of one's name.
NOW you appeal to another authority... Why aren't I surprised?
I shake the dust of this thread from my feet. (Look that one up for yourself.)
promises, promises, promises...
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:41:47 PM
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We have a house church that is part of the Acts29 Network of church plants and we are in what is considered pre-launch until January 2009.
There is accountability, authority, etc. all in place.
And I must say after reading through this thread that I am more convinced about Mark 3:1-6...just heal the guy.
"And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. 2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. 3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. 4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. 5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. 6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him." [Mark 3:1-6]
How appropriate.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:43:23 PM
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I take it you will not commit yourself as to which church YOU think is the one true church. Smart move, but not Christianity.
So theo_book; which Church or group do you adhere to or attend?
Thanks
RC
Three times I have posted it. Three times I have made the commitment.
I am a Christian. My allegiance is to Christ. My doctrine is that which is developed within the scriptures of God.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:57:53 PM
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No... wait... uhmm... all those "home" churches in the NT were started and under the authority of the Apostles and recognized leaders....
True that “churches in the NT were started and under the [God-given] authority of the [apostles]”, but who were the so-called [other] “recognized leaders”?
Also, there are in fact believers who assemble under the authority of Scripture alone, “[continuing] stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine” (Acts 2:42), as opposed to transgressing God’s Word in following man’s tradition.
Do you say that “the authority of the [apostles]” is less today than when it was first given to them by Christ in the first century? If their God-breathed authority remains via the Scriptures, then why would you have a problem with believers who gather under that same authority?
Please explain.
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 5:59:26 PM
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I take it you will not commit yourself as to which church YOU think is the one true church. Smart move, but not Christianity.
So theo_book; which Church or group do you adhere to or attend?
Thanks
RC
Three times I have posted it. Three times I have made the commitment.
I am a Christian. My allegiance is to Christ. My doctrine is that which is developed within the scriptures of God.
Me and mine too Theo...
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 6:07:03 PM
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I take it you will not commit yourself as to which church YOU think is the one true church. Smart move, but not Christianity.
So theo_book; which Church or group do you adhere to or attend?
Thanks
RC
Three times I have posted it. Three times I have made the commitment.
I am a Christian. My allegiance is to Christ. My doctrine is that which is developed within the scriptures of God.
Me and mine too Theo...
AAAhhh!!! The voice of SANITY. I cannot contain it. Awaaaay with it lest ye spoil the dream....
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RE: Where is the Church. The building or the person? - 7/10/2008 6:38:03 PM
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