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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 11:44:56 AM
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saved9201
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People are offended that people like him, that he has confidence, that he inspires people? But I guess you hate him so much you don't care what tactics McCain uses - even outright lies, misrepresentations and blasphemy. The end justifies the means.
- Julius
1. Inspires people to do what?
Inspires people to do nothing but carry on class warfare by blaming everything on the rich, the oil companies, etc, etc?
Inspires people to blame the present administration for everything?
Inspires people to do nothing but complain and demand more help and more help from the government so they could feel less and less responsible for the way they live their lives?
2. What change does he realy offer?
Is he advocating for people to become more active and more responsible towards and for one another and less on the government?
Is he advocating that people turn complete control of their lives and money over to the government so that the government could solve each and every one of their problemss so they do not have to?
3. Who is it that is talking about hate?
Since when has disagreement been seen as the samething as hate?
Who is it that calls our present administration names and claims that a McCain presidency is only going to be a continuation of the same?
4. Tactics?
What presidential candidate seems to be always limiting the scope of any discussion, or criticism of him, his family, or people he has been associated with?
McCain's problem (as some see it) is that he refuses to get personal. He refuses to get as dirty as his opponents. His tactic seems to be to let his opponent dig his own hole by revealing how he is not able and ready to hold the office he is running for.
5. Lies?
How can using the person's own words be considered a lie?
6. The ends justify the means?
So it is perfectly all right for a presidential candidate and his supporters to claim, and intimidate that if Obama looses it is not going to be because of his stand on issues, it is solely going to be because of race, but it is not alrght to point out how arrogant Obama and his supporters are?
7. Blasphemy?
What blasphemy, and who is it that is really doing it?
I have a diliemma.
I really, really want to comment on your post, but I can' find one item of substance.
And when you say McCain's "problem" is he refuses to get dirty, in a Christian forum, you just proved my point anyway. That some of you simply don't care anymore because you think McCain must do what he has to do to defeat Obama - the most evil, vile, despicable candidate who ever ran for president in the history of our country (I've told you many times you have nothing to worry about - McCain will win easy).
But, if you believe, as McCain seems to, that he's in a desperate situation and must "get dirty" in order to win, then let's get ready to rumble. I'm just saying that, especially among Christians, there are plenty of legitimate issues we all should be at odds with Obama about, and are worthy of debate, so there's no need to exaggerate, embellish, attack him personally or just outright lie.
McCain is going to win. He's ahead. In fact, in reality, he's always been ahead. But he must realize he should try to win like a champion and show the maturity that he trumpets as one of this assets. His ads belongs on YouTube, or the Comedy Channel.
- Julius
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 11:47:29 AM
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"You see, the challenges we face will not be solved with one meeting in one night. It will not be resolved on even a Super Duper Tuesday. Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. We are the hope of those boys who have so little, who've been told that they cannot have what they dream, that they cannot be what they imagine. Yes, they can."
Also, it should be noted that toward the end of this ad where Obama is talking about clouds opening up, beams of light coming down, and "you"(the audience member) voting for Barack that it was part of a joke he was making about Hillary Clinton knocking him.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 12:12:26 PM
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1. Inspires people to do what?
If nothing else, Obama has inspired millions to have "hope"; to believe that government CAN work for the average middle class American worker and not just for big corporations and for the richest 1% of America. Obama has gotten young people engaged in the political process rather than feeling disenfranchised and unrepresented. If this excitement translates into a "youth vote" come November, it will only help Obama. Will Obama be able to deliver on the "hope" he's promising? We will see.
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2. What change does he realy offer?
IMO the greatest change Obama offers is shifting government focus from what will benefit big corporations and big donors, to what will benefit the majority of Americans. Obama will work with other nations to restore our reputation as a world leader and IMO will do a better job of working across party lines to pass legislation. One thing I can confidently say, is that Obama will not be calling Republicans and those who disagree with his policies "unpatriotic" or "aligning with terrorists".
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3. Who is it that is talking about hate?
Since when has disagreement been seen as the samething as hate?
Disagreement with a candidate's policies is not hate. Making innuendos about Obama being a muslim or a socialist or a maxist or using his middle name so that the simple will equate his with Sadam and terrorism is immature and desparate form of hatred.
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Who is it that calls our present administration names and claims that a McCain presidency is only going to be a continuation of the same?
That would be about 80% of the american population who believe that we are and have been headed in the wrong direction. McCain started out as a maveric who was willing to cross party lines for the good of the nation, but his flip-flopping and alignment with the far right in order to get the conservative vote only makes him a Bush clone.
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4. Tactics?
What presidential candidate seems to be always limiting the scope of any discussion, or criticism of him, his family, or people he has been associated with?
If Obama's or McCain's personal associations will influence their political policies (i.e. Obama plans to make Rev. Wright part or his cabinet or McCain will use his wife's Anhesuerbush connections to make beer available to all regardless of age), then, yes, it's fair game to go back to a candidate's kindergarten affiliations to make sure no stone is left unturned.
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McCain's problem (as some see it) is that he refuses to get personal. He refuses to get as dirty as his opponents. His tactic seems to be to let his opponent dig his own hole by revealing how he is not able and ready to hold the office he is running for.
Are you kidding me?!? When has Obama attacked McCain's character, used his middle name as a scare tactic or equated McCain to a biblical character, thus mocking the Christian faith? All McCain has done is go negative on Obama rather than discuss issues and how the candidates differ. Unforturnately, going ugly and negative may help him with the grape-juice drinking crowd.
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5. Lies?
How can using the person's own words be considered a lie?
If McCain had used Obama's words in the context they were said, you'd have a point. But to take snipets of several conversations over months and cut-and-paste them together is like playing bible roullette where you read a verse that says "Judas went and hung himself" and one that says "Go ye therefore and do likewise" and claim that the bible supports (and even commands) suicide. Shameful and petty.
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So it is perfectly all right for a presidential candidate and his supporters to claim, and intimidate that if Obama looses it is not going to be because of his stand on issues, it is solely going to be because of race, but it is not alrght to point out how arrogant Obama and his supporters are?
If Obama loses because people believe that Obama's policies will result in big government or because they believe the Bush policies have benefited our society and McCain will continue them, that's fine. If Obama looses because people believe he's too black, a muslim, maxist, socialist, some sort of new age messiah -- that would just be a sad, sad, statement on our society.
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7. Blasphemy?
What blasphemy, and who is it that is really doing it?
Can you post a link where Obama (in his own words) is claiming to be a messiah and savior of the world? McCain crossed the line.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 12:22:10 PM
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1. Inspires people to do what?
If nothing else, Obama has inspired millions to have "hope"; to believe that government CAN work for the average middle class American worker and not just for big corporations and for the richest 1% of America. Obama has gotten young people engaged in the political process rather than feeling disenfranchised and unrepresented. If this excitement translates into a "youth vote" come November, it will only help Obama. Will Obama be able to deliver on the "hope" he's promising? We will see.
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2. What change does he realy offer?
IMO the greatest change Obama offers is shifting government focus from what will benefit big corporations and big donors, to what will benefit the majority of Americans. Obama will work with other nations to restore our reputation as a world leader and IMO will do a better job of working across party lines to pass legislation. One thing I can confidently say, is that Obama will not be calling Republicans and those who disagree with his policies "unpatriotic" or "aligning with terrorists".
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3. Who is it that is talking about hate?
Since when has disagreement been seen as the samething as hate?
Disagreement with a candidate's policies is not hate. Making innuendos about Obama being a muslim or a socialist or a maxist or using his middle name so that the simply will equate his with Sadam and terrorism is immature and desparate form of hatred.
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Who is it that calls our present administration names and claims that a McCain presidency is only going to be a continuation of the same?
That would be about 80% of the american population who believe that we are and have been headed in the wrong direction. McCain started out as a maveric who was willing to cross party lines for the good of the nation, but his flip-flopping and alignment with the far right in order to get the conservative vote only makes him a Bush clone.
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4. Tactics?
What presidential candidate seems to be always limiting the scope of any discussion, or criticism of him, his family, or people he has been associated with?
If Obama's or McCain's personal associations will influence their political policies (i.e. Obama plans to make Rev. Wright part or his cabinet or McCain will use his wife's Anhesuerbush connections to make beer available to all regardless of age), then, yes, it's fair game to go back to a candidate's kindergarten affiliations to make sure no stone is left unturned.
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McCain's problem (as some see it) is that he refuses to get personal. He refuses to get as dirty as his opponents. His tactic seems to be to let his opponent dig his own hole by revealing how he is not able and ready to hold the office he is running for.
Are you kidding me?!? When has Obama attacked McCain's character, used his middle name as a scare tactic or equated McCain to a biblical character, thus mocking the Christian faith? All McCain has done is go negative on Obama rather than discuss issues and how the candidates differ. Unforturnately, going ugly and negative may help him with the grape-juice drinking crowd.
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5. Lies?
How can using the person's own words be considered a lie?
If McCain had used Obama's words in the context they were said, you'd have a point. But to take snipets of several conversations over months and cut-and-paste them together is like playing bible roullette where you read a verse that says "Judas went and hung himself" and one that says "Go ye therefore and do likewise" and claim that the bible supports (and even commands) suicide. Shameful and petty.
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So it is perfectly all right for a presidential candidate and his supporters to claim, and intimidate that if Obama looses it is not going to be because of his stand on issues, it is solely going to be because of race, but it is not alrght to point out how arrogant Obama and his supporters are?
If Obama loses because people believe that Obama's policies will result in big government or because they believe the Bush policies have benefited our society and McCain will continue them, that's fine. If Obama looses because people believe he's too black, a muslim, maxist, socialist, some sort of new age messiah -- that would just be a sad, sad, statement on our society.
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7. Blasphemy?
What blasphemy, and who is it that is really doing it?
Can you post a link where Obama (in his own words) is claiming to be a messiah and savior of the world? McCain crossed the line.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 1:22:34 PM
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saved9201,
To be honest I am not sure how I should take you and your comments.
Sometimes I am not sure how to take the rants I write from time to time. I mean, I get so hot under the collar and my blood pressure sky rockets reading some of these postings and comments made about how which campaign is dirtier than the other that I just have to write something in defense of reality.
I really don't think McCain, himself, wants to go negative in anyway, but many of supporters would like to see him fight for the presidency a little more than he seems to be. I think McCain would prefer more talk and debates about the issues, but campaign managers and supporters, on both sides, do not dare let that happen.
I believe, that after all is said and done, come November, the election is going to be a lot closer than most people tend to believe it will be, It also will continue to reflect America's reluctance to go as far left as some would like it to go.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 2:09:08 PM
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I think McCain would prefer more talk and debates about the issues, but campaign managers and supporters, on both sides, do not dare let that happen.
Why, Why, Why? Do they lack confidence in McCain's ability to speak to the issues? Do they believe the voters aren't sophisticated enough to deal with substantive issues?
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I believe, that after all is said and done, come November, the election is going to be a lot closer than most people tend to believe it will be,
I totally disagree. If he maintains his composure and emphasizes his maturity and experience, McCain will win at least 40 states. If he gets petty and starts acting like a desperate whiner, then it will be close, but I think he'll still win.
- Julius
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 2:53:19 PM
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government CAN work
What an oxymoron. How many jobs has the government created that weren't "make work" jobs? How many oil wells has the government drilled? How many car/jet manufacturing plants has the government built? Look at what the government schools have produced since the peanut farmer created the Department of Education and you will see the comptetence and the quality of government products. To use a Ralph Nadar quote "they are unsafe at any speed."
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 3:12:09 PM
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Personally I still don't get why Obama supporters are getting the vapors over the current course of the campaign. It's pretty simple evaluation at this point, a set of understood principles that have held true for decades in American politics. The reality is, Obama is the current frontrunner. Despite the polls he is extremely popular, and his strategy has not been to address issues, but to associate McCain with the Bush Administration, and dispense beautifully articulated platitudes about how he will be different. In fact, Obama rarely acknowledges McCain exists at all - he talks about 'they' and 'them', and the few times he mentions his name, he almost always says, "Bush/McCain". It's a strategy, tried and true of the frontrunner. And his is helped greatly by the adulation of the press in continuing this strategy.
And that is also why Obama is avoiding as much as possible engaging McCain in one on one debates, because he will always lose them. He may not lose on the issues, but McCain will hold his own, and that will be seen as a win. The old man isn't so comatose as everyone thought. So Obama's job is to keep McCain invisible, and keep lookin' and soundin' good.
McCain's job at this point, coming from behind, is too address the focus of Obama's campaign - which so far, with the help of the media, is too be popular and sound good. McCain is right to note this isn't sufficient grounds to be the President of the US. McCain has to make it undeniably clear (and this will be hard, giving he is all but invisible now) that Obama is a junior senator of no notable accomplishment in any of his careers, and that the image we are getting of him is just that - an image with no substance, upon which many have projected their vague hopes.
In doing that McCain forces Obama to engage, and only then might there be a discussion of the issues. So McCain is (finally) getting on the right track here, though I give his efforts so far a 'C'. I'm just glad his campaign is showing some signs of life.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 3:38:27 PM
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Here is a new McCain campaign ad:The One
Has anyone else seen this? What do you think?
Personally, I think McCain is making a big mistake. This ad talks about Obama like the Messiah and never once mentions McCain.
Even though the ad tries to make fun of Obama, the fact that Obama is all over the ad it looks almost like an endorsement of the Messiah... I mean Obama.
I suspect this may backfire on McCain. What do you think?
From a standpoint of it being a funny satirical commercial - it's a good idea that suffers from poor execution. If they'd have gotten some big $$$ voice-over talent and some top-shelf writing, it could have been hysterical. I'm leaning towards Obama, but I thought the cut to Charleton Heston holding out his staff was pretty funny.
Strategically, it doesn't say anything good about McCain, and because it's satire is so poorly done, I don't see it really hurting Obama much. But who knows - lots or people are swayed by much less.
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"You see, the challenges we face will not be solved with one meeting in one night. It will not be resolved on even a Super Duper Tuesday. Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. We are the hope of those boys who have so little, who've been told that they cannot have what they dream, that they cannot be what they imagine. Yes, they can."
Also, it should be noted that toward the end of this ad where Obama is talking about clouds opening up, beams of light coming down, and "you"(the audience member) voting for Barack that it was part of a joke he was making about Hillary Clinton knocking him.
Really? Do you have a link to the whole speech? That sounds legitimately funny.
-Dan.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 3:52:27 PM
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Personally I still don't get why Obama supporters are getting the vapors over the current course of the campaign. It's pretty simple evaluation at this point, a set of understood principles that have held true for decades in American politics. The reality is, Obama is the current frontrunner. Despite the polls he is extremely popular, and his strategy has not been to address issues, but to associate McCain with the Bush Administration, and dispense beautifully articulated platitudes about how he will be different. In fact, Obama rarely acknowledges McCain exists at all - he talks about 'they' and 'them', and the few times he mentions his name, he almost always says, "Bush/McCain". It's a strategy, tried and true of the frontrunner. And his is helped greatly by the adulation of the press in continuing this strategy.
And that is also why Obama is avoiding as much as possible engaging McCain in one on one debates, because he will always lose them. He may not lose on the issues, but McCain will hold his own, and that will be seen as a win. The old man isn't so comatose as everyone thought. So Obama's job is to keep McCain invisible, and keep lookin' and soundin' good.
McCain's job at this point, coming from behind, is too address the focus of Obama's campaign - which so far, with the help of the media, is too be popular and sound good. McCain is right to note this isn't sufficient grounds to be the President of the US. McCain has to make it undeniably clear (and this will be hard, giving he is all but invisible now) that Obama is a junior senator of no notable accomplishment in any of his careers, and that the image we are getting of him is just that - an image with no substance, upon which many have projected their vague hopes.
In doing that McCain forces Obama to engage, and only then might there be a discussion of the issues. So McCain is (finally) getting on the right track here, though I give his efforts so far a 'C'. I'm just glad his campaign is showing some signs of life.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 5:07:51 PM
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saved9201,
I think that in the evolution of our political system there have been many who have felt and believe that the average person is not sophiscated enough to deal with the issues that face this country. Could be that many of these peoople gravitated to the position of campaign manager. Their job seems to have become one of keeping the focus off the issues and on everything else. If they they allowed the candidates to discuss issues, like they used to, (once upon a time) these campaign managers may very well find themselves unemployed.
As far as my assesment, of the election, I quess I am going on the demographics of my precinct as well as the overall political temperment of the country as reflected in these forums.
Not long ago, the precinct I am living in, and usually serve as an election judge, was predominately Republican. During the last couple of elections turn out has been pretty evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. Then there is the fact that in the state of Illinois the party machinery is alive and well, though that may change if and when the feds finally connect the mayor of Chicago, and the governor of the state to some sort of corruption, and the Republican Party, here in Illinois, finally gets its act together.
As far as basising some prediction on these forums I would say that over all the country is pretty split. Yes, Republicans and Conservatives have had their say here and there only to be silenced out of frustration. In the end the only opinion that counts is the one cast at the polls.
I must say, that you may be right. I hope you are right. I hope that the next president (McCain) is given a fairly clear mandate). Those that seem to be looking at a Democrat sweep of the elections seem to be basing their hope on something, I believe, has yet to happen since the voting age requirment was lowered to 18.
Then there is talk radio and its impact, and importance that the Democrats have yet to take seriously.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 6:01:01 PM
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Also, it should be noted that toward the end of this ad where Obama is talking about clouds opening up, beams of light coming down, and "you"(the audience member) voting for Barack that it was part of a joke he was making about Hillary Clinton knocking him.
Clinton's original remarks...
Speaking to a crowd at Rhode Island College, Clinton said, "None of the problems we face will be easily solved," and then went on to mock Obama's message of unity.
“Now, I could stand up here and say, ‘Let’s just get everybody together. Let’s get unified,'" Clinton said to laughter of the crowd.
"The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect,” she said dryly as the crowd erupted.
Link Here
Obama's reponse....
Obama speaking to supporters in Lebanon, New Hampshire shortly after Clinton’s remarks recognizes [Dave] the organizer for the Obama campaign and says…
“That's his job, get you to the polls, vote for Obama. My job is to help him do his job. So I am going to try to be so persuasive in the 20 minutes or so that I speak that by the time this is over, a light will shine down from somewhere. It will light upon you. You will experience an epiphany. And you will say to yourself, I have to vote for Barack. I have to do it….
And hopefully if I make a persuasive case, then you will make sure to let Dave know by filling out one of those [voter registration] cards. But you know what? If you're not voting for me, vote for somebody.
What an extraordinary privilege the people of New Hampshire have. You, along with the people of Iowa, will have more to do with selecting the next president than just about anybody else on the planet. And that is remarkable. And it's a responsibility I know you've taken seriously. That's why you're here today.
Link Here
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 6:06:40 PM
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I believe, that after all is said and done, come November, the election is going to be a lot closer than most people tend to believe it will be, It also will continue to reflect America's reluctance to go as far left as some would like it to go.
I also believe the election will be a close one, quite possibly a nail bitter. My hope is that it doesn't turn into another "Bush Drama" where the election is decided by the supreme court or with questionable "hanging chad" results. Whether or not there will be democratic landslide may depend on McCain's VP choice.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 6:43:57 PM
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I also believe the election will be a close one, quite possibly a nail bitter. My hope is that it doesn't turn into another "Bush Drama" where the election is decided by the supreme court or with questionable "hanging chad" results. Whether or not there will be democratic landslide may depend on McCain's VP choice.
While I'm predicting a McCain landslide in almost every scenario, if McCain picks Lieberman, he's toast.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 9:22:45 PM
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And that is also why Obama is avoiding as much as possible engaging McCain in one on one debates, because he will always lose them.
I strongly disagree, Jack.
For one, I think McCain's request to stage 10 town halls with Obama is major overkill. Look at the primary debates: after the second or third time they became mind-numbing reruns of the candidates repeating the same lines ad nauseum. The same thing would happen with Obama and McCain blathering about the same stuff over ten debates.
Secondly, if McCain goes into a debate with Obama packing a cocky attitude I think he'll be sorry. Obama is not a lightweight with the spoken word. And to be honest, during his appearances on the GOP primary debates earlier this year, I sometimes wondered if McCain hadn't fallen asleep.
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I'm just glad his campaign is showing some signs of life.
Life, yes. But the McCain campaign is still very unfocused. IMO, trying to make this election a referendum on Obama is a strategic mistake because sooner or later, McCain will have to address hard issues and why his solutions are better than his opponent's.
To simply say, "I have experience" and expect voters to beat a path to McCain's side of the ballot is not nearly enough. He needs more in terms of substance, and judging from this past week's bizarro TV ads, McCain's light years away from doing so.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 9:32:33 PM
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While I'm predicting a McCain landslide in almost every scenario, if McCain picks Lieberman, he's toast.
Although I'm an Obama supporter, I truthfully have nothing against McCain. I think he's a good American who loves his country, although IMO, not the right choice for president in 2008.
This said, were I a full-fledged Republican I'd have serious concerns about McCain's history of cancer, and his ability to live through a four-year term in office.
Doesn't that bother anyone else in McCain's corner?
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 9:45:45 PM
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Just how many of our presidents do you think had serious health issues but still managed to perform their duties, with great distinction. I would venture to say that we've had just about the same number of presidents with health issues and performed their duties, than we've had presidents in perfect health.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 10:48:38 PM
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Woodrow Wilson is the first president that comes to mind who suffered from serious health issues. Issues which once became so serious during his term that Wilson became bedridden, leading his wife Edith to temporarily take on his responsibilities for two months.
I also believe that JFK suffered from back pain, but there's a big difference between that and cancer.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/2/2008 10:57:17 PM
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For one, I think McCain's request to stage 10 town halls with Obama is major overkill.
Yeah, but the more he shares the stage with Obama, the less Obama is out there alone drawing ten times the crowds McCain will draw. It's like why college football teams like tiny Appalacian State plays big powerhouse teams like Michigan. Whether the Appalacian States win or lose, they get to play in front of a big crowd. And if they lose, well, they should have lost. If they come close to beating the big dog, they win the hearts and minds of the nation. And if they are able to pull off the upset, people will be talking about it for a long time.
Moreover, the more debates they have, the more chance Obama has to stumble. McCain knows he can afford to make a mistake or two in a head to head debate with Obama. People will be much more forgiving of a McCain slip up. But if the "chosen one" falters, if the one whose most powerful weapon is, "the speech", slips ever so slightly, McCain will be able to claim victory.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 12:18:24 AM
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People will be much more forgiving of a McCain slip up. But if the "chosen one" falters, if the one whose most powerful weapon is, "the speech", slips ever so slightly, McCain will be able to claim victory.
I understand your point.
God knows that Fox "News" will be parsing every syllable that comes out of Obama's mouth in an effort to play "gotcha."
Yet McCain is under as much risk if he screws up on live TV, or comes across as short-tempered or arrogant during questioning. And yes, McCain can come across as arrogant sometimes in projecting an air of superiority regarding his experience over Obama (e.g. "Who does this young punk think he is?")
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 1:17:38 AM
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I thought it was a great parody of the way B. Hussein Obama has been actiong and is being treated by his 'Believers". (as evidenced by all the obama kool-aid drinkers that have posted in this thread).
Not surprising that you would see McCain's mocking of Christianity's true savior as a humorous parady. Makes one wonder if you would have felt the same way if the Obama camp had come out with this. Guess the straight-talk campaign has gone off the deep end.
There are people so blinded by hate for Obama that they want him defeated at all costs. Even if it means allowing a professed non-believer like McCain to mock Godly men like Moses as well as our Savior.
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God is mocked daily here so I doubt you'll get much outrage around here...
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