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Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 7:06:23 AM
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deliveredarling
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This is sparked from another thread. (I will suggest that it is an opinionated one)
"IS God still in control? Then let's just trust Him."
I think we can twist things in our ouwn mind to say that nothing is required of us, but trust.
Where we sit back a do nothing, expecting the Lord to swoop in and save the day.
At some point we become responsible for our actions or the lack of.
If we are following politics, then it is up to us to do the research, find out all we can and prayerfully make a decision. It is not prudent to sit back and say that God will place however in office because He favors this one or that one.
My point is, we have to seek God! We have to seek His will. That means that action is required on our part.
To do nothing is being a lazy Christian, just hanging out waiting for the problem to be solved and in the mean time, blubbering on about the sorry state of affairs we are in.
Do you agree or disagree and why?
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 7:46:21 AM
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In a nutshell, we trust God to lead us into the action we should take. We trust God in the path we are to walk, even if it doesn't makes sense to us on occasion. Sometimes we have to trust God when He says, sit still and watch Me work. We can't do everything and we are not as much influence as we think, yet sometimes we make a bigger impact than we can imagine.
Politics, as in everything else, requires doing what God tells us to DO. Yes, trust requires action.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 7:56:33 AM
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Our actions are to love God and others.
Great Commission.
Generosity.
Other centered.
Humble.
There are many actions we are called to do.
There are times when we have to trust God. Times we can't do anything about it. Times God has to do the work and when we try to do it, we fail.
Discernment. Wisdom. I think these are aquired abilities garnered over time, experience..and messing up.
I guess some people learn from doing good things...its just not MY experience.... 
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 8:00:48 AM
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deliveredarling
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Times we can't do anything about it.
We can always do something!
It's called praying. It's during our commune with God that HE calls us to action.
Even if that means further prayer!
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 1:08:15 PM
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The Bible says, "The L-rd helps those who help themselves." Or, at least, I've been told that.
But in reality, I am one who has had to cool my heels, to keep from jumping in prematurely to DO something. I am one who has had to learn, "Don't just do something -- sit there!" And wait on the L-rd, who really, actually knows how to lead!
I guess some are slow to move, and some are too quick.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 1:54:55 PM
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The Bible says, "The L-rd helps those who help themselves." Or, at least, I've been told that.
But in reality, I am one who has had to cool my heels, to keep from jumping in prematurely to DO something. I am one who has had to learn, "Don't just do something -- sit there!" And wait on the L-rd, who really, actually knows how to lead!
I guess some are slow to move, and some are too quick.
That is a very valid point.
This particular thread is in regards to those that would rather do nothing at all, even pray and sit back waiting for the Lord to rescue them.
He sends the help and it is ignored.
Sometimes we are required to sit and wait on the Lord (that ole lesson in patience  )
Sometimes we are moved to act, walking out with faith. But never are we called to do nothing.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 2:04:34 PM
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This is a really good question. Trust doesn't involve passiveness!
We should do all we know we should do (according to God's Word) and then leave the rest with God,
e.g. some people say that they are trusting God to bring the right job along but they don't actually bother to apply for jobs. This is not trust - it's foolish passiveness and laziness (and we know that God does not reward laziness)! If we do our bit and apply for jobs, then we can trust God to do His part and open the right door of opportunity and close the wrong doors, etc.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 2:15:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
The Bible says, "The L-rd helps those who help themselves." Or, at least, I've been told that.
But in reality, I am one who has had to cool my heels, to keep from jumping in prematurely to DO something. I am one who has had to learn, "Don't just do something -- sit there!" And wait on the L-rd, who really, actually knows how to lead!
I guess some are slow to move, and some are too quick.
There are times when what is required of us is to wait and pray and it is because the Lord wants to teach us patience and trust (and to bless us greatly with the final outcome). However, that's where wisdom helps. I am not saying you don't have wisdom C_M because I have read many of your posts and there is a lot of wisdom behind them. However, I think we all have this want to move things along quicker and you have described a lot of Christians (including myself from time-to-time). Right now, I am in a situation where I am having to wait upon the Lord. I am learning that it is no use getting upset or irritated by my circumstances because if I don't learn from this lesson, then the Lord will bring along another situation to teach the same lesson until it finally sinks in! It's sometimes not easy however and we need to seek the Lord to know whether to stay or move and be willing to obey whichever when He says so.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 2:38:52 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
This particular thread is in regards to those that would rather do nothing at all, even pray and sit back waiting for the Lord to rescue them.
He sends the help and it is ignored.
Oh, like the two old jokes: one about the man hanging off a cliff, calling upon the L-rd to rescue him and the other about the woman on a rooftop during a flood, waiting on the L-rd to rescue her. 
I have also, like Little_1, seen people who are waiting on the L-rd to provide the right employment while they sit at home and play video games.
One of my worst problems (in the manner you brought up, Darling) is that I often forget that I am the answer to someone's prayers. I forget, at times, that when I pray for someone who is hungry, I could take them food. When I am concerned about someone without employment, I could provide some small employment. When I pray for a new parent, I could provide many things that are helpful. Etc.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 2:42:49 PM
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deliveredarling
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One of my worst problems (in the manner you brought up, Darling) is that I often forget that I am the answer to someone's prayers. I forget, at times, that when I pray for someone who is hungry, I could take them food. When I am concerned about someone without employment, I could provide some small employment. When I pray for a new parent, I could provide many things that are helpful. Etc.
Wow. I am ashamed to admit that this has not crossed my mind.
Me, being an answer to a prayer. I do hope that even though it didn't pop into my head that maybe somewhere along the road, I may have answered a prayer without knowing it.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 3:00:16 PM
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So why don't the Amish vote?
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 3:10:30 PM
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Little_1
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
...... I often forget that I am the answer to someone's prayers.......
AMEN - this is very true.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 3:35:31 PM
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Yes, I do believe trust in God requires action from us. And that sometimes the action we are called to do is more prayer.
I believe we as Christians have gotten pushed into corners as far as our beliefs due to a lack of action over the years. Passiveness is not a good thing. We need to pray, listen for God's direction, and then take action on it.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 3:49:17 PM
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deliveredarling
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I believe we as Christians have gotten pushed into corners as far as our beliefs due to a lack of action over the years.
This is very true.
Beautiful avatar!
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 4:05:15 PM
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My point is, we have to seek God! We have to seek His will. That means that action is required on our part.
To do nothing is being a lazy Christian, just hanging out waiting for the problem to be solved and in the mean time, blubbering on about the sorry state of affairs we are in.
Do you agree or disagree and why?
I have read only the OP. (Ooh, I hope that doesn't make me a lazy Christian. ) But I want to respond, DD, without the bias that can come from reading what others have said.
I agree that we each have to seek God and desire His will. And that does require action on our part. As a friend of mine frequently reminds me, I respond to His ability. I like that. He is the major Mover and Shaker if you will. But that doesn't mean I sit on my duff and do nothing.
However, I am reminded of what the Apostle Paul says of the body of Christ. There are various gifts given for the common good. Each one does not possess every gift and must rely on the giftedness and use of the gifts of others. I think what Paul is speaking of holds true for every aspect of my life.
I have a limited amount of time and energy and interest. And God has gifted me in distinctive ways to use that time, energy and interest. If I try and divide that limited resource among every good and worthwhile endeavor, I will run out. I am confined to human limitations.
So I rely on those I trust within the body to guide me in the realm of political decisions. I take the counsel of godly men and women who I trust and then take action (such as vote) based on the information they provide me with.
I believe this is God's provision for me as a member of His body. And I am thankful.
Does that answer the question you asked?
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 4:12:05 PM
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But I want to respond, DD, without the bias that can come from reading what others have said.
LL, you are very smart. I think sometimes we read what others say and we lose our steam as far as how the Lord is convicting us on a subject.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 5:07:32 PM
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Liveloved
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It does in a way. It also tells me that you missed the point. (not meaning to be harsh here )
I appreciate your truthfulness, DD.
It's not about us having different responsibilities within the body.
It really is about lazy Christians who say they wait on God and yet don't do a thing, to put it very bluntly and simplify the topic. ( just sayin, I said from the get go, it was an opinionated thread )
Perhaps I'm not tracking the same as you. But don't you think that using our different gifts DOES make a difference in how we live our lives? For example, in Romans 12, Paul says we are to exercise our gifts accordingly. . . and those gifts are different for each one. So a person with the gift of mercy, for example, is probably going to quickly respond to the needs of others in a material, practical way. While the person who is gifted in teaching or faith is going to perhaps respond in a way that 'appears' to be inactive. Does that make sense?
That's the direction my thoughts were going in regard to your question. Am I still missing your point?  LL
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