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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 5:32:09 PM
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deliveredarling
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Well, kind of...
You are making extremely good points about the gifts of members in the body.
However, those gifts that you mentioned, the examples were all action oriented.
Using the example Covaan used, it's one thing to pray for a job and not put forth the effort to actually go out and look for one and quite another to prayerfully seek employment, relying on God to provide the appropriate place of employment.
These situations don't have anything to do with us operating in our giftings. It has more to do with us not doing and using our gifts appropriately.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 6:34:55 PM
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DD~
I am going to through this out there as I humilate myself. When I was a new Christian I had a long standing christian woman tell me that it was okay to ask God for money because He always provides a way for us and owns it all.
Being naive I did and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited. You see where this is going.
Needless to say nothing happened and I lost everything,only for this person to call me up later and yelling at me, saying: He would give you an idea 
Yeah well it would have been helpful if they shared all the information beforehand instead of me making a complete Arse out of myself.
So yes it does require action and yet I do understand there is a time to wait in all humility, but however that time was not it!
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 6:46:11 PM
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I definitely think that trust requires action. Let me share a scenario that required me to trust God, but also at the same time take action:
When we moved from CA to HI in July 2004 , I needed a job to support our family as my husband needed to finish school. I didn't have much connections in HI as I had lived in CA all my life. The only connection was my husband's family. I didn't have a degree for anything, but I had other skills that I had acquired through various jobs in CA and I was bilingual so I thought maybe I should look for a position in the tour industry. My husband's sister was employed at a hotel so I asked her if she could help me out with getting me a job there. Honestly....anything would be better than being unemployed. I prayed and asked the Lord to provide. I asked my sister-in-law's care group to pray for me as well. I sent in resumes hoping to get something. Well, the hotel that my sister-in-law worked for interviewed me, but they didn't need anyone, so that didn't work out. There was another hotel that I sent out my resume, but they didn't return my calls. Then one day in October of 2004, out of the blue as I was praying, "Lord I'm running out of places...but I trust that you will provide," my phone rings and it was one my sister-in-law's care group ladies. She had a friend, who's husband was an attorney,...a Christian attorney, and he needed a secretary who was bilingual. The starting pay was much much higher than my previous jobs in CA, PLUS it came with medical benefits. They had initially offered her the job, but she didn't want to take the job (even though she was well-over qualified) because she wanted to be stay-at-home mom. I took up the offer and called the number she had given me, and I got an interview date set. I was hired on the spot. My heart's desire was to have an office job, but because I knew I needed a job...any job to support our family, I couldn't be picky and I went out looking and asking for other types of positions, while I asked God to provide the best job for me....and He did.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 6:55:52 PM
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Dancre
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DD, this is a good one. :) Yes, trust does require something. Do you remember when Jesus was in Canaan, John 2:1-10, where he turned the water into wine? The servants had to do something and that something was fill the jugs with water. Mary said, do whatever He tells you to do. Sometimes God has us do something, other times He wants us to just be still. But you have to do what He tells you to do, so yeap, do something.
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
This is sparked from another thread. (I will suggest that it is an opinionated one)
"IS God still in control? Then let's just trust Him."
I think we can twist things in our ouwn mind to say that nothing is required of us, but trust.
Where we sit back a do nothing, expecting the Lord to swoop in and save the day.
At some point we become responsible for our actions or the lack of.
If we are following politics, then it is up to us to do the research, find out all we can and prayerfully make a decision. It is not prudent to sit back and say that God will place however in office because He favors this one or that one.
My point is, we have to seek God! We have to seek His will. That means that action is required on our part.
To do nothing is being a lazy Christian, just hanging out waiting for the problem to be solved and in the mean time, blubbering on about the sorry state of affairs we are in.
Do you agree or disagree and why?
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 6:59:50 PM
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Dancre
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Nope, sorry, dear, that's not a bible verse, but is a quote from Ben Franklin.
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The Bible says, "The L-rd helps those who help themselves." Or, at least, I've been told that. 
But in reality, I am one who has had to cool my heels, to keep from jumping in prematurely to DO something. I am one who has had to learn, "Don't just do something -- sit there!" And wait on the L-rd, who really, actually knows how to lead!
I guess some are slow to move, and some are too quick.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 7:15:50 PM
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Faith didn't require action on anybody else except Jesus' obedience however the evidence of faith in action is our obedience to the same sacrifice. Faith(and trust)is a willingness to be vulnerable to another.
"Nothing worth doing is accomplished solely through feelings. It takes action." -Elisabeth Elliot - (Let Me Be a Woman)
"Talk is cheap "...show me your faith without obedience and I will show you
my faith by my obedience." James 2:17,18
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 7:47:38 PM
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Well, kind of...
You are making extremely good points about the gifts of members in the body.
However, those gifts that you mentioned, the examples were all action oriented.
Using the example Covaan used, it's one thing to pray for a job and not put forth the effort to actually go out and look for one and quite another to prayerfully seek employment, relying on God to provide the appropriate place of employment.
These situations don't have anything to do with us operating in our giftings. It has more to do with us not doing and using our gifts appropriately.
Perhaps. . . but I see ALL of my life within the framework of God, what He has done, and is doing, and how I am a part of all He is doing. So whether I pray or whether I act or do both, I am following His leading.
I think what you are really addressing, DD, is our lack of knowing God and being led by Him. People read the Bible occasionally and listen to a sermon on Sunday and then live life 'however' and call it being in His will.
What it takes to act or wait in accord with Him is relationship, ongoing, day in, day out, communion, fellowship with Him. And that is the great lack among people today. If God tells me to move, I'm to move. And if He tells me to stay, I stay. But I have to be listening. And I have to have quiet in order to REALLY know His will and way. Which is another thread. Anyway, I hope I'm close to tracking with you.  LL
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 8:31:32 PM
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deliveredarling
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I think what you are really addressing, DD, is our lack of knowing God and being led by Him.
Uuuummmm, no.
Rather I'm addressing the use of His name and not following His leading and teachings.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/4/2008 9:50:33 PM
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Rather I'm addressing the use of His name and not following His leading and teachings.
Are you assuming that those who use His name know Him?
I've found that that indeed is the problem.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/5/2008 12:19:48 AM
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The Bible says, "The L-rd helps those who help themselves." Or, at least, I've been told that.
Oh, my! I never imagined anyone would take that seriously! Sorry, people! Sometimes, a smiley-face isn't enough.
Back in late 1969, I also heard a nun on a soap opera I was watching say, "The Bible says that the L-rd works in mysterious ways His wonders to perform."
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One of my worst problems (in the manner you brought up, Darling) is that I often forget that I am the answer to someone's prayers. I forget, at times, that when I pray for someone who is hungry, I could take them food. When I am concerned about someone without employment, I could provide some small employment. When I pray for a new parent, I could provide many things that are helpful. Etc.
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Wow. I am ashamed to admit that this has not crossed my mind.
Me, being an answer to a prayer. I do hope that even though it didn't pop into my head that maybe somewhere along the road, I may have answered a prayer without knowing it.
Waaaalll, with what I have read of you, I would bet that if you think just a little bit, you have often been the answer to many people's prayers. 
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/5/2008 12:22:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
This is sparked from another thread. (I will suggest that it is an opinionated one)
"IS God still in control? Then let's just trust Him."
I think we can twist things in our ouwn mind to say that nothing is required of us, but trust.
Where we sit back a do nothing, expecting the Lord to swoop in and save the day.
At some point we become responsible for our actions or the lack of.
If we are following politics, then it is up to us to do the research, find out all we can and prayerfully make a decision. It is not prudent to sit back and say that God will place however in office because He favors this one or that one.
My point is, we have to seek God! We have to seek His will. That means that action is required on our part.
To do nothing is being a lazy Christian, just hanging out waiting for the problem to be solved and in the mean time, blubbering on about the sorry state of affairs we are in.
Do you agree or disagree and why?
“There are those who sincerely try to live a life they do not have, substituting religion for God, Christianity for Christ, and their own noble endeavors for the energy, joy, and power of the Holy Spirit. In the absence of reality, they can only grasp at ritual, stubbornly defending the latter in the absence of the former, lest they be found with neither! There are those who have a life they never live. They have come to Christ and thanked Him only for what He did, but do not live in the power of who He is. Between the Jesus who was and the Jesus who will be they live in a spiritual vacuum, trying with no little zeal to live for Christ a life that only He can live in and through them, perpetually begging for what in Him they already have!”
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What is required of us is to abide in Christ. And if we are truly doing that, then the result will not be inactivity, but Christ activity, in and through us.
I guess that means I disagree.............................again.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/5/2008 7:14:45 AM
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deliveredarling
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Being naive I did and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited. You see where this is going.
I'm sorry that you experienced that. I know you learned from it however that is a problem with discipleship. I think those of us that disciple, forget sometimes that the disciples don't know the basics and we forget to tell them. Kinda of like falling through the cracks. Mentioning it is a good reminder to all of us to not assume someone knows something... Thank you for this reminder.
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Let me share a scenario that required me to trust God, but also at the same time take action:
Your story is the epitome of this thread. It's good to hear a story that worked out so perfect to His will. It's a demonstration of what God will do if we trust while acting upon His leading's.
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The servants had to do something and that something was fill the jugs with water. Mary said, do whatever He tells you to do. Sometimes God has us do something, other times He wants us to just be still. But you have to do what He tells you to do, so yeap, do something.
He told them to fill the jugs. This was an action. They didn't know why and I'm sure they might have thought it a curious request. Little did they then know what a miracle would be displayed because of their obedience
This brings up another point about action. Ever had the overwhelming sense to do something you feel totally awkward about doing? Maybe walking up to a complete stranger or something?
I have and I have also not trusted that it was the Lord leading me. That was a no-no.
I have also followed that urging and been blessed beyond imagination.
I think as we grow in Him our trust increases to the point that we never question whether or not it's from the Lord, we just act.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/5/2008 8:57:08 AM
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I think you hit something here. What deos "abide" mean?
Dd, when I typed the word, "rights" I was thinking about Jesus and and his last few days. We are afterall "aliens" as Paul puts it and our citizenship is Heaven.(I have to look up the verse)
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/5/2008 9:09:17 AM
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deliveredarling
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Here's the definition:
1. To put up with; tolerate: can't abide such incompetence. See Synonyms at bear1.
2. To wait patiently for: "I will abide the coming of my lord" Tennyson.
3. To withstand: a thermoplastic that will abide rough use and great heat.
v.intr.
1. To remain in a place.
2. To continue to be sure or firm; endure. See Synonyms at stay1.
3. To dwell or sojourn.
The bold definitions are the ones I truly feel exhibit the meaning.
I especially like, "to remain in place".
Think about that, to remain in place.... How much self control does it require to remain in a place the Lord has us at times, with patience and endurance!
That's a tough one, huh.
That's some serious trust!
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/6/2008 7:38:01 AM
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Venegnce is the Lord's...and I trust Him to accomplish that without any help from me.
Some healing has no human ability to accomplish...I trust God to heal me.
I am not always loveable ( can ya imagine that?? ) I trust God to love me.
I believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. I trust God to save me without any ability of mine to accomplish this. Pretty core there.
I trust God to get the sun up in the morning...not much action I can do there.
Without God I can do no good. I trust God to predestine me to do His good works ( Ephesians 2:10 )
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/6/2008 12:22:28 PM
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I believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. I trust God to save me without any ability of mine to accomplish this. Pretty core there.
He won't save anyone without us Choosing Him. Making a decision is an action.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/6/2008 1:12:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
The Bible says, "The L-rd helps those who help themselves." Or, at least, I've been told that.
But in reality, I am one who has had to cool my heels, to keep from jumping in prematurely to DO something. I am one who has had to learn, "Don't just do something -- sit there!" And wait on the L-rd, who really, actually knows how to lead!
I guess some are slow to move, and some are too quick.
Actually just sitting there is doing something. Sometimes just sitting there is the right thing to do. Stopping is as much an action as going.
As for the OP... I believe everything requires and action of one kind or another. I have been reading Thomas Watson, he has become my very favorite writer. He is absolutely profound in his unfolding of truth. I am now reading his book, "Heaven Taken By Storm". It is based on the passage, "Since the days of John the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force". It is an in depth study of what we do if we trust God... and why. It is a great book.
"Jesus Christ went more willingly to the cross than we do to the throne of grace. Have we not need then to provoke ourselves to duty?" Thomas Watson
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/6/2008 5:38:30 PM
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"Jesus Christ went more willingly to the cross than we do to the throne of grace. Have we not need then to provoke ourselves to duty?" Thomas Watson
Ooh, that makes me want to read Watson as well. How true. How very convictingly true. . .
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/6/2008 5:59:09 PM
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The result of trusting God with all of our heart, and no longer leaning to our own understanding, is at the point when we no longer seek our own will, but only His will; which is to deny-ourself, and carry our load, and the cargo of others. This is the trust of relying on God and His Word, and being reliable to God and His Word. This is the trust of worshipping Him in spirit and in truth; this is the trust of calling Him Lord, Lord, and doing the things which He says; this is the trust of putting our hands to the plough, and not looking back.
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/6/2008 8:11:27 PM
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He won't save anyone without us Choosing Him.
..and you cannot choose God without being led there by God.
God saves...not any choice you can make. ( Notice the wording...I did not say may make...I said can. If you could choose your salvation then Jesus did not have to go to the cross )
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RE: Does trust require action? - 9/17/2008 2:26:09 AM
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God saves...not any choice you can make. ( Notice the wording...I did not say may make...I said can. If you could choose your salvation then Jesus did not have to go to the cross )
I would disagree with the wording...God offers us salvation, but we have to accept it. If we don't choose to take it, we choose to reject it.
Back to the thread topic, I think that faith requires action (at least a little), and I think Dr. Bill Creasy put it well in this little story/analogy:
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There are three components to Faith.
The first is knowledge. You have to know before you can have faith. For example, if an acrobat is going to ride a bike across a rope across the Niagra Falls, you have to see the poster to know about it. Of course, you can hear somebody's going to do something and not believe it.
The second is belief. You go to that event and see the acrobat ride across the gorge and you believe.
But there's a third aspect of faith: trust. That's when the acrobat rides up to you and says, "Okay, now get on the handlebars."
It may be small or it may be large, but you've got to do something or there's a piece missing.
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