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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 9/27/2008 3:50:12 AM
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Giulia
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Why are they called gay anyway? Gay is what you are when you are joyous. I don't see homosexuals being overly happy or bubbling over with joy. In fact many of them I have met have been nasty and gossipers and miserable at that.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 9/27/2008 8:39:24 AM
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I had our radio station pull all of his music. It's time to stand up for Christ and quit this practice of not standing up for Jesus. It's time to contend for the Faith.
Copyright monies is also an issue. We have one church across the street from home that I observed Wednesday (remember, I am in limbo with my home church because of major issues) and the youth don't care about this -- they say dancing to his music in church is still better than to sing sacred choral music from 300 years ago.
I can promise you there are NO youth out there still dancing to Ray Boltz music . . .
Good grief, it's 2008.
The person running youth ministry at the church said the teen dancers dance to Boltz music still, and they've done it for many years, including recently.
Maybe there are some remixes out there I'm unaware of.  His music is/was difficult enough to listen to (for me, anyway). I can't imagine anyone attempting to dance to it.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 9/27/2008 9:51:52 AM
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It's now time for Boltz to put on that millstone necklace.
We must be careful that, not wanting to judge him, we promote him. Discerning, calling out, condemning his practice of and promotion of Christian homosexuality, condemning his satanic degradation of the name of Jesus.
It's time to judge someone who has traded his soul for his lust, and encourages others to do the same.This is not someone who doesn't know better, he does, and he made a clear choice.
As to his music, "hating even the garment spotted by the flesh". Why would we continue to add to his income and fame when he is actively working against Jesus and promoting doctrines of demons?
Wake up, people. Sure, pray for Ray to repent. But those who hate Jesus and Christians are reveling in Boltz's coming out, and he's leading the parade.
And, I fear, he has lost his soul in the process.
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Now who said anything that he was encrouaging others to do the same?
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 9/27/2008 10:29:01 AM
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Maybe there are some remixes out there I'm unaware of. His music is/was difficult enough to listen to (for me, anyway). I can't imagine anyone attempting to dance to it.
Understand, Bobby has to interject that whole "teens dancing in church instead of singing good old choral music" into every thread he participates in. In another thread they were dancing to pop music, now it's Ray Boltz music. If the subject is ever polka or country I'm sure he'll have them dancing to that as well.
Back to the subject: I've been torn on whether or not to throw his music out as well. Ray has apparently been hiding this for years. Does that make the wonderful message in "I Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb" or "Thank You" any less valid because the writer has chosen to participate in sin? Do my sinful actions negate the songs I write.
Likewise, many churches that incorporate "high church" style worship routinely use classical pieces, pieces that were written by composers who were incredible pagans.
I haven't reached a point of decision on whether or not to continue listening to Ray's music (although the fact that I really haven't listened to him in quite some time may make that transition easier)
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 9/27/2008 2:02:18 PM
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I had our radio station pull all of his music. It's time to stand up for Christ and quit this practice of not standing up for Jesus. It's time to contend for the Faith.
Copyright monies is also an issue. We have one church across the street from home that I observed Wednesday (remember, I am in limbo with my home church because of major issues) and the youth don't care about this -- they say dancing to his music in church is still better than to sing sacred choral music from 300 years ago.
I can promise you there are NO youth out there still dancing to Ray Boltz music . . .
Good grief, it's 2008.
The person running youth ministry at the church said the teen dancers dance to Boltz music still, and they've done it for many years, including recently.
What a bizarre, counter-cultural, counter-good-taste youth ministry. . .
Definitely not the norm, I promise. I don't even need my degree in youth ministry to tell you that that just aint normal.
I think that depends on what part of the country or what type of church one attends. There are still many, many Boltz fans, young and old.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 9/28/2008 10:41:08 AM
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I can promise you there are NO youth out there still dancing to Ray Boltz music . .
Assuming of course that there ever were....
+1, tafkam.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 2:07:19 PM
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 2:41:58 PM
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Boltz update:
http://rayboltzblog.wordpress.com/
Apparently Ray's got a new song out, and looking at the lyrics you can see how deceived he's gotten.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 2:50:30 PM
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Boltz update:
http://rayboltzblog.wordpress.com/
Apparently Ray's got a new song out, and looking at the lyrics you can see how deceived he's gotten.
Wow. That's pretty bad.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 5:03:49 PM
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And bad song-writing to boot. 
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 5:16:29 PM
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Boltz update:
http://rayboltzblog.wordpress.com/
Apparently Ray's got a new song out, and looking at the lyrics you can see how deceived he's gotten.
Wow. That's pretty bad.
Geezanages! The title alone says it all .
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 5:31:33 PM
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Boltz update:
http://rayboltzblog.wordpress.com/
Apparently Ray's got a new song out, and looking at the lyrics you can see how deceived he's gotten.
Wow. That's pretty bad.
So, is he hoping that this becomes a new pro-gay-marriage anthem or something?
Ray's lyrics, imho, have always been pretty vapid and this new tune doesn't break from that tradition.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 9:24:42 PM
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Disgusting! It's absolutely wrong to compare interracial marriages with abominations
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/23/2008 9:38:25 PM
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It's absolutely wrong to compare interracial marriages with abominations
That just shows how very deeply deceived he is. He is grasping at straws to rationalize away His sin. Both disgusting and sad at the same time.
What an arrogant song title! As if God doesn't have the right to set boundaries on our behaviors. 
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/25/2008 10:29:34 AM
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OK, I read the whole thread (which is a big deal for me because I'm usually too lazy), and I don't think there is anything I can say to add to or detract from the whole "gay and CCM" debate. It is what it is (what it is). [footnote here crediting Gene Eugene]
I would like to propose an angle. Most Christians agree (which is a dangerous supposition, I know) that the gay lifestyle is a lifestyle of sin. God pretty clearly hates homosexual activity. So, what if the sin Ray was found to be wallowing in was something else? What if, after years of hiding it somehow, it was suddenly and publicly discovered that Ray was an alcoholic or wife beater or compulsive shoplifter. Would there be the same public outcry to pull his music and have him thrown in the ocean with a millstone tied aroun his neck? Is that even possible...to "throw" a millstone? Who out there has the strength for that? Ooo...maybe we could get John Jacobs and the Power Team to do it! That would be poetic. Then again, why waste a perfectly good millstone? Probably should just use a large boulder. But it's kinda difficult to securely tie a rope to a boulder, I suppose. And would it have to be a rope? Maybe a bungee cord or... Oh yeah. Sorry about that...got distracted. Anyway, let's define what level of sin is acceptable from our CCM personalities. Some of the dancers/backup singers Tobymac uses wear kinda low-cut shirts...is that ok? Oh, and there's a whole slew of rock bands with evil-looking tattoos all over their bodies. Isn't that defacing the temple of God? I NEED CLARITY PEOPLE! CLARITY!!!
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/25/2008 10:34:10 AM
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Neal - I reserve my judgement based on the actions of the sinner. One who is repentive will get my support and prayers. One who is unrepentive will only get my prayers that they repent.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/25/2008 10:34:37 AM
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If he claimed it was OK for him to be a shoplifter/wifebeater/etc then I think so.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/25/2008 11:03:10 AM
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Most Christians agree (which is a dangerous supposition, I know) that the gay lifestyle is a lifestyle of sin. God pretty clearly hates homosexual activity. So, what if the sin Ray was found to be wallowing in was something else? What if, after years of hiding it somehow, it was suddenly and publicly discovered that Ray was an alcoholic or wife beater or compulsive shoplifter. Would there be the same public outcry to pull his music
Yes, there would be the same public outcry if he justified alcoholism, wife beating and/or shoplifting to the point of protesting that they are lifestyles that should be legalized, promoted, protected and then left his wife of 30 years to practice.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/25/2008 11:34:27 AM
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Yes, I think there would be the same outcry IF he was unrepentant and was spreading his message of deceit around, as he is with his homosexuality.
No one would be outraged if he had admitted his sin, turned back to God, and was walking out repentance. Instead, he is using his platform of fame to tell everyone that his sin is not only okay, but approved by God. I would be appalled at that no matter what the sin was.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/25/2008 9:13:23 PM
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Who was it recently...Terry MacAlmon?...who had the extra-marital affair, admitted to it, and yet was unrepentant about it?
Forgive me if my data is incorrect, but I remember some press and discussion about his actions and the reactions were not good.
People sin, fair enough? None of us score anywhere close to perfect, so we'll get that out of the way first. That said, it's our follow-through that can determine our true heart and our standing with God and with God's people.
If we don't repent...well, I don't think that the consequences are positive, not in this life nor the one to come.
For everyone else, there's forgiveness.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 11/25/2008 11:12:59 PM
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I'm not familiar with Terry MacAlmon.
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 1/19/2009 11:35:42 PM
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I pray God helps him out of this mess and sets him free. Satan certainly has his hand around Ray's neck. Poor guy. :(((
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 1/19/2009 11:44:19 PM
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I think you're right, neal. If he was into drugs, would we be so quick to judge him? Or if he was an alcoholic or ran up bills, would be so quick to throw him out the door? A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin. He is a lost lamb who has wondered from the flock. I don't think Jesus is saying throw him out!! Close the door!! lock it fast!! He's unrepentive, leave him alone!! (Aren't you glad Jesus doesn't say that about YOU??) Instead, He's left the group at Crosswalk to seek out His lost lamb. Prayer would be better than condemnation, no matter how much you put a quick spin on it.
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OK, I read the whole thread (which is a big deal for me because I'm usually too lazy), and I don't think there is anything I can say to add to or detract from the whole "gay and CCM" debate. It is what it is (what it is). [footnote here crediting Gene Eugene]
I would like to propose an angle. Most Christians agree (which is a dangerous supposition, I know) that the gay lifestyle is a lifestyle of sin. God pretty clearly hates homosexual activity. So, what if the sin Ray was found to be wallowing in was something else? What if, after years of hiding it somehow, it was suddenly and publicly discovered that Ray was an alcoholic or wife beater or compulsive shoplifter. Would there be the same public outcry to pull his music and have him thrown in the ocean with a millstone tied aroun his neck? Is that even possible...to "throw" a millstone? Who out there has the strength for that? Ooo...maybe we could get John Jacobs and the Power Team to do it! That would be poetic. Then again, why waste a perfectly good millstone? Probably should just use a large boulder. But it's kinda difficult to securely tie a rope to a boulder, I suppose. And would it have to be a rope? Maybe a bungee cord or... Oh yeah. Sorry about that...got distracted. Anyway, let's define what level of sin is acceptable from our CCM personalities. Some of the dancers/backup singers Tobymac uses wear kinda low-cut shirts...is that ok? Oh, and there's a whole slew of rock bands with evil-looking tattoos all over their bodies. Isn't that defacing the temple of God? I NEED CLARITY PEOPLE! CLARITY!!!
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RE: pray for Ray Boltz... - 1/20/2009 2:16:45 AM
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I am so disgusted over this. There is forgiveness for Ray, but only if he repents and turns a way from this sin. If not, then Hell is his only option. Please pray for him, i know I will.
Not if he was born again at one time. I dont know whether he ever was or not, but if he ever was born again, then he still is. Once one is saved, they can never be lost again. What Ray would lose is rewards. (1 Cor 11-15). They are still saved, but lose rewards.
On the other hand, its possible that Boltz was never born of the Spirit. If that is the case, he is still lost because he was never saved.
Either way, this a a very tragic thing. I never cared for his music, but he definetly had a very large audience, and this is right up there with Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Ted Haggard. And of course the lost world will take this and run with it. They love it when high profile christians fall.
Very sad.
I'm kinda suprised this is just now showing up here. It was a big topic on several other forums a few months ago when it 1st hit the news outlets.
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