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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 6/17/2009 12:03:34 PM
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No... is there a movie? Do I need to rethink it?
The old one was just a little unpronounceable, and it had the potential of revealing my last name, which is very uncommon. Since people are beginning to know my first name, my country and area of the country, and since my children share a last name with me, I thought it was time to take the potential lead out of my screen name.
"Bolt" is the way one might pronounce part of my last name, though, so I thought it was a good choice.
Now I have to look up whatever movie I might be thought to be referencing!
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 6/17/2009 12:06:14 PM
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Ahhh -- life saving super dog cartoon movie. Not a bad image. I think the name still works.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 7/3/2009 1:35:13 PM
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What are your thoughts on daytime sleep training? My girl is almost 6 months old, and she sleeps pretty well at night. She is always put down asleep, but usually it hasn't been a problem. Her nighttime sleeps have been getting slightly worse (teething, allergies, whatever), but she normally goes through the night on her own.
But she does get tired during the day, but will only sleep in her carseat or if held. It would be nice if I had a little break when both kids were asleep (toddler naps after lunch), but I don't want to be greedy. Overall, she's a fairly easy baby.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 7/3/2009 2:38:48 PM
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I've had good luck with putting the baby down when drowsy -- in your case you could allow her to drift off most or all of the way, then agitate her somewhat while transferring her to the place where you would prefer her to sleep. This may cause her to be somewhat upset, but really, she is probably pretty sleepy and would conk-out after a short cry. Then, gradually, you could agitate her more and more during the transfer, such as changing her diaper etc. which will get her used to laying down more and more awake.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 7/3/2009 2:46:04 PM
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So how long would you let at 6 month old cry then? One concern is that she might wake the 2 year old up, if he's already asleep. She's been getting more and more needy lately, but I've attributed that to teething and a light cold.
Her sleep habits are getting worse, but I didn't do any sleep training for my first until 9 months or later.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 7/3/2009 3:29:43 PM
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I'm not sure, really, how long. For me, it kind of depends on what tone and intensity of crying I'm hearing, more than how long it's been. If it's whimpery and tapers off occasionally, I'd let that go quite a while -- but the cry that I know is really alarmed, that, I'd give it up immediately and try again later. A moderate cry, I think maybe I'd let go for 20 minutes, perhaps a bit longer, with checking-in -- though I don't check in if the cry is whimpery and near sleep (or possibly even asleep) even if it goes on for some time.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 7/3/2009 11:24:10 PM
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I agree with bolt on that. For me, it always depended on the type of cry. I can usually tell right away if putting them down is going to work or not. Of course, that was after the initial crying-it-out period that everyone here helped me through lol. I started with Aaron when he was 5 months old, but had no real success since I wasn't confident I could identify his cries at that time. But, a month or so later, since I was in the same boat as you, Sideways, with his sleep habits deteriorating rapidly, I had to just go for it. I put him down sleepy, but not asleep or really close to it, and we just went for it. I worried he was going to wake everyone in our apartment complex! But, we got through it and after the first two nights, he was a sleep champ. As Manda said back when I was trying to sleep train him and was worried about his cold/teething combination (and I'm paraphrasing here), "he hasn't got a broken limb, it's just a cold" lol! Although, I must say the first night you might have thought he had broken ALL his limbs the way he cried 
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 7/4/2009 9:03:23 AM
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Now do you guys see a difference between daytime training and nighttime training? She's ok at night (most nights), but I was mostly curious if there should be any difference if she's obviously tired for a daytime nap.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 1:53:01 PM
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How do you parents do controlled crying when you have older children trying to sleep? Beth was napping and now she won't, but I can see that she is tired, and if she's tired, I wouldn't mind a break in the middle of the day when both are sleeping.
But I don't want to interrupt Nathan's nap or bedtime with 20-40 minutes of his sister crying in the next room. Opinions?
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 2:12:49 PM
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Sorry, Ruth, I can't help. Firstly, I never did controlled crying for daytime naps anyway (if they didn't want to go down, we just went out somewhere, either for a walk with the stroller or in the car). Or rather, I did try controlled crying, but found it just too difficult as my ds just didn't seem tired enough to sleep. I'd have loved a break but it was just not to be. Secondly, my ds dropped all daytime sleeps at around 14 months, and my dd round about 18 months. In any case, with there being a 4 yr gap between them, I wasn't in the same position as you. Hope you find something that works for you.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 2:19:06 PM
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What about at night with your daughter? Did she cry when your son was trying to sleep?
If it was just Beth and I, then I wouldn't mind a drive or a walk. She's not terribly cranky, but it seems like an almost 7 month old would need an occasional nap, and babies can become sleep deprived.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 2:29:31 PM
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What about at night with your daughter? Did she cry when your son was trying to sleep?
Sarah was very amenable as a baby (she slept through the night from 10wks!!). She'd go up to bed first, round about 7pm, and be asleep by the time Jonathan came up an hour later. She'd go to sleep with the light on, so the light was already on for him to read or colour by. I was terribly spoiled with them! (it totally made up for how difficult Jonathan was as a baby).
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If it was just Beth and I, then I wouldn't mind a drive or a walk. She's not terribly cranky, but it seems like an almost 7 month old would need an occasional nap, and babies can become sleep deprived.
Would they not both nap in the car?
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 2:57:34 PM
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Well, Nathan naps for about 2 hours. That's a lot of petrol! Even when she did nap, Beth's naps were more like 30-40 minutes. If I drive for more then 10 minutes Beth will sometimes take a quick snooze, but it's hit or miss. Sometimes it seems like it's harder to put her down at night if she hasn't napped well during the day, like she's over tired.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 3:53:32 PM
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I think I would be willing to let Nathan have a few shortened naps or noisy naps to get Beth onto a nap routine.
He should be able to either get used to her crying for a little while or adjust to a slightly shorter nap while she gets settled into the routine.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 6:35:11 PM
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Yeah, I think I agree. Greg leaves week after next, so now is a good time to let his naps be interrupted if it gets Beth on a schedule.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/5/2009 10:20:30 PM
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I wish I had some solid advice for you, Ruth. It's been so long since I have had babies and toddlers in the same house, I don't remember how I did it lol! My 11 and 12 yo's shared a crib for a long time when they were babies, and I think I remember rocking them both to sleepy states and then lying them down in the crib at opposite ends. Somehow they always ended up curled up together, though. I have pictures and they make me cry to see them so sweet and loving towards each other. I wish they could remember those days when they are at each other's throats!
We are having to do some controlled crying with Aaron again this week. I'm not sure what is going on with him, but for the past week or so, when my husband gets home from work, Aaron wants to be held by him, and then cries inconsollably when my hubby tries to put him down. It's so odd. My hubby is so upset to see him cry so. He seems to not want to be put in his crib at night anymore, either, but I've stuck to my guns and he's usually out within 5-10 minutes. I don't get it.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/6/2009 5:12:23 AM
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How many teeth does he have, and has he cut any lately? I remember the big back molars starting to cause a bit of trouble around 14-15 months. Though we didn't realise that had been the problem till they poked through (looking like sharks teeth!). I think they caused a fair bit of aching before they came through, and for quite a while.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/6/2009 8:51:19 AM
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My goodness, Manda, he has 4 molars and 4 eyeteeth coming in all at once. A few have already poked their little cusps through, but his whole mouth looks like a red, angry swollen mess!
I feel so awful for him and I know he is suffering, especially since he's cranky all the time and not eating or sleeping well. He really seems to have become quite attached to his dad all of the sudden, as well.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/6/2009 9:42:57 AM
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Get her down first (what is your routine for that?), then put him down. Or since they're in separate rooms, try both at the same time if she's not too upset?
At my house, I work the older kid's nap around the baby's. IOW, baby's sleep needs come first and we fit everyone else around that however I need to.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/6/2009 10:24:03 AM
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I feel so awful for him and I know he is suffering, especially since he's cranky all the time and not eating or sleeping well. He really seems to have become quite attached to his dad all of the sudden, as well.
How do you feel about homeopathic remedies? A number here have had some success with remedies for teething.
You could also try him on cooled weak camomile tea, just for its soothing qualities.
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/6/2009 10:37:08 AM
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Jennleigh, have you tried ibuprofen? I don't medicate much, but when I *know* it is teething that is making them miserable, I definitely medicate for that. Teeth HURT! Ibuprofen is preferable to tylenol for teething because it is an anti-inflammatory, and also tylenol dosage per 24 hours has to be watched more closely than ibuprofen.
Poor little guy... 
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RE: "Controlled Crying" - 8/6/2009 10:46:07 AM
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I have been using Motrin, and it seems to help quite a bit. I am like you, Donna, I don't medicate often, and it's so funny now with little man #4 that I can see that most things really do clear up on their own, whereas before I was so quick to run after them with a dropper full of something or other
I am not opposed to homeopathic or natural remedies. I have used Hyland's teething tablets and they also seem to help. I haven't tried chamomile though. During the middle of the day, he seems fine. It's right after he wakes up and right before bed he seems to really be in pain. He chews on everything, so that seems to be his way of self-soothing.
Ruth, I meant to say earlier that I agree with Donna about putting the baby down first, then the older child. I am remembering now that I had to do something similar with the middle two when they were first sharing their room. It's easier to get the older one to understand being quiet than it is for the baby lol! I thought they were sharing a room, so maybe it'll be easier once he doesn't hear her crying anymore.
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