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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/16/2008 11:55:41 AM
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The title should be 'What are the pastors' roll'. For there are more than one within a local body. They are to watch over the sheep. Some may teach the word, not all. They are to live an example before the sheep. They are to bring the sheep to maturity and then cut them loose so they can operate in their functions within the meeting., They are to work jobs so as to help provide for the physical needs of the destitute within the body, Acts 20.
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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/17/2008 9:25:05 AM
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...They are to work jobs so as to help provide for the physical needs of the destitute within the body...
Not so. Paul said that he deserved payment for his pastoral role but he chose not to accept it because certain kinds of people would accuse him of theft.
Pastors are expected to drop everything at the drop of the hat when a member is sick or in need of help - whether 2PM or 2AM, whether on a Monday morning or on the birthday of the pastor's child or wife.
A pastor that also works a full time "secular" job is stretched too thin to do an adequate job and without neglecting his own family. I've seen that prove out repeatedly during the past 4 decades. To insist that a pastor work two jobs is to insist that he neglect his wife and children.
Very few members that would expect that sort of thing from their pastor are willing to do it themselves.
And, no, I am neither a pastor nor a pastor's son.
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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/17/2008 11:52:19 AM
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Rolling:
It seems like you keep going back to that argument but Paul is very clear in 1 Cor 9:
"If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more?
But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
While Paul goes on to say "But I have not used any of these rights", he never says anything that would indicate that his decision somehow supersedes the command that they should be paid.
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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/17/2008 5:31:21 PM
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His_will_i_am
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Isn't this thread supposed to be concerning the 'pastos' role and what it should look like, not whether or not they should collect a salary?
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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/17/2008 5:34:41 PM
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don't get me started on what YOU may THINK about mega-churches.......you haven't been to them ALL, obviously....(cause you haven't been to mine, obviously)...
whoaaa..where did that come from? This is not a "my" vs "your" pov...in fact I have no idea what kind of church anyone posting here attends...I don't pay that much attention to the details I guess...but my view has absolutely nothing to do with one person's indiv. church.
I'm sorry you feel so defensive about the matter.
I have been to enough "mega"churches to know I don't want to attend another....and that is good enough for me. Besides, I don't even eat at mega bar restuarants very much for many of the same reasons.
Kerns, I read that statement in the exact same way you did. I'm also glad things calmed down a bit after this point.
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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/17/2008 5:47:02 PM
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writerchick
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The church you attend sounds great, and it is no wonder it has grown so large. The thing is, I get uneasy around a lot of people. There is a church in the area where I live that has around 5000 people, but that kind of intimidates me. Maybe I should try that church, and see if it is directed the way your church is anyway. Perhaps they have smaller groups where I could fit into and have the opportunity to connect with others. The only thing is that I really like nondenominational churches, and this church is a baptist church. I have attended baptist churches as a kid, and I do watch a couple of ministries on television which are baptist. So it's not like I have anything against them or think that their teachings are wrong somehow. I just don't like all of the different denominations, and how some will knock other denominations when we are all part of the body of Christ and all baptised into one spirit. I feel like there are way too many denominations for them all to be from the same bible. It makes me feel like there are a lot of people misinterpreting certain scripture and because they have a difference, they break off and start a new denomination. Paul made it clear there is only one spirit, and we are supposed to agreeing on what the word says. I know that a large part of it is due to legalism, being to strict about following the rules rather than living led by the spirit.
I chose a mega church for the exact opposite reason that you're intimidated by one. Growing up as a PK I really hated having to stand up to be introduced whenever we visited with another church. Joining a larger church helped me blend in with the crowd, so to speak. Except, I went and ruined my blending by getting involved with our Young Adult Ministry. Now our Bishop knows me by face if not by name.
As for how the church itself is run, Bishop is the Director of the Board, but the Board has to approve any major decisions. In fact, he frequently talks about how he gets approval from the Board before doing certain things like donating a portion of the gifts from our Thanksgiving service to the Red Cross to help people who were victims of the Southern California Wildfires. The rest goes to Save Africa's Children. Even though it benefits Save Africa's Children every year, he still asks the Board if it's okay.
Because we are such a large congregation, other Elders are tasked with responsibilities of other small groups. Although some of our small groups can get pretty big. Last night, we had our final Young Adult Bible Study for the year and there were easily 200 people in attendance.
So while no church is perfect, what you get out of it is certainly what you make it. Within our Young Adult Ministry, there are smaller auxiliaries for people to take part in which goes a long way toward building friendships.
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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/19/2008 12:26:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: rolling
...They are to work jobs so as to help provide for the physical needs of the destitute within the body...
Not so. Paul said that he deserved payment for his pastoral role but he chose not to accept it because certain kinds of people would accuse him of theft.
Pastors are expected to drop everything at the drop of the hat when a member is sick or in need of help - whether 2PM or 2AM, whether on a Monday morning or on the birthday of the pastor's child or wife.
A pastor that also works a full time "secular" job is stretched too thin to do an adequate job and without neglecting his own family. I've seen that prove out repeatedly during the past 4 decades. To insist that a pastor work two jobs is to insist that he neglect his wife and children.
Very few members that would expect that sort of thing from their pastor are willing to do it themselves.
And, no, I am neither a pastor nor a pastor's son.
Devon here. This is the verse in question:33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Paul was not a stationary member of a local body. He was an apostle, a church planter, an traveling preacher. He had legal right to support, though he refused it so as not to HINDER the flow of the gospel.
The overseerers or shepherds of a local body or here called elders, were to work jobs. You can not find the 'one man pastor' in the N.T.. There was a plurality of elders/shepherds/overseerers. Epecians 4 ...'and some pastors[poimen] and teachers.' The teachers probably work harder than the pastors for they must study in order to teach. You'll find no preaching within the body. Exortaion, prophesying and teaching.To build up the SAINTS FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY. 1COR12AND 14
I think i'm done with this discussion. No one is seeing it.
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RE: What is the pastor's role in church? - 12/19/2008 6:29:46 PM
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His_will_i_am
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No one is seeing it.
Maybe the problem is that no one wants to hear it? Just like whne the Lord said to Ezekiel:
Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.
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