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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 11/9/2008 8:36:01 PM
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JoeyWest
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Tafkam, you took the words outta my mouth.
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 12/8/2008 3:33:54 PM
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I think the reason the term "porn" can be applied to horror films is because of images themselves. While porn is obviously about sex, it is ultimately image based, as all moving images are. Further, violence and sex in cinema and porn are spectacular images, similar in their explicit and over the top unrealistic nature. They are also similar because they depict the body: literally fragmented and chopped to pieces in horror, and visually fragmented through editing and camera angles (close ups etc) in porn.
There is an interesting torture like horror film called "Funny Games" by Michael Haneke, originally made in Austria in the 90's and remade with American actors, shot for shot, released this year under the same name. Besides being remarkably suspenseful, it seems to address the images themselves and our complicity in the consumption of the images.
For me, images are very special. If one is to make an explicit image, I hope that it is for reasons of truth and not for spectacular entertainment / money making power.
Apologies for going on and on. Before I go on expounding for pages, I'll wait and see if these ideas are interesting to any of you.
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 12/13/2008 2:15:00 AM
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Hostel-
first half-soft core porn
second half-hard core torture
no plot, no real thought
I am not a type to yak about movies
but these movies are garbage-they are just...nothing
sex and torture
put on a dirty movie and 300 side by side and you'll get pretty much the same effect
(I liked 300 though lol)
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 12/13/2008 10:40:23 AM
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I agree with one poster, the Hitchcock films are classic and don't show the blood and guts, but the suspense. Usually, in the slasher movies, its always the blonde that gets killed.
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 1/7/2009 7:34:48 PM
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Well, upon surfing youtube recently, I came across a trailer, and subsequently this New York Asian Film Festival entry simply called, "The Butcher." The way I see this (trailer), it's basically a kimchi-flavored version of Hostel and/or Texas Chainsaw Massacre, with a bit of REC, the subsequent "remake," Quarantine, Cloverfield, and possibly Cannibal Holocaust thrown in, meaning the whole, cinema verite, mockumentary format... or shall I say, "shmockumentary!"
http://subwaycinema.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69&Itemid=80
And not surprisingly, there's the usual "social commentary," "political themes" allegedly expressed in The Butcher--probably no different from Eli Roth's *cough cough* thesis behind the Hostel series!*
*though for The Butcher, I think there is some slight sincerity behind the political message, criticizing how the then-burgeoning Korean film industry is in some way, prostitutioning itself to foreign (read: American? European?) fanboy markets--especially those who worshiped Park Chan Wook's Oldboy as if it was Citizen Kane or worse!
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 1/19/2009 10:35:08 AM
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If sex outside of marriage and murder are both sins, why would you watch movies that simulate graphic murder for its own sake as entertainment, but not movies where sex for its own sake is the centerpiece?.
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 1/21/2009 7:52:13 AM
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If sex outside of marriage and murder are both sins, why would you watch movies that simulate graphic murder for its own sake as entertainment, but not movies where sex for its own sake is the centerpiece?.
That is an interesting way of putting it. Not many people think to look at it in that way.
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 2/18/2009 7:51:25 PM
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If sex outside of marriage and murder are both sins, why would you watch movies that simulate graphic murder for its own sake as entertainment, but not movies where sex for its own sake is the centerpiece?.
One is a simulation....nobody dies, ergo there is no sin committed..
Show me in the Bible where fictional depictions of violent acts are somehow unholy. Jesus even used them in the parables...
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 2/18/2009 9:11:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: ebot
There is an interesting torture like horror film called "Funny Games" by Michael Haneke, originally made in Austria in the 90's and remade with American actors, shot for shot, released this year under the same name. Besides being remarkably suspenseful, it seems to address the images themselves and our complicity in the consumption of the images.
Ditto.
All horror fans should see this. It kind of turns the whole torture porn genre on its head.
I haven't seen the new version, but I own the original and have delighted in giving it to friends of mine who are supposed horror buffs.
There's really very little blood or gore to speak of in the film at all, but a friend of mine who loves the "Hostel", "Saw" type torture fests, couldn't make it through Funny Games.
It has it's detractors (it's theorizing is a bit outdated at this point), but there's no denying that Haneke is a master director when it comes to building suspense and sustaining fear all with the most minimal of materials. He could film a wall for 10 minutes and make it terrifying (and, actually, he does just that at one point in the middle of "Funny Games." There's a nearly 10 minute shoot in the middle of the film where absolutely nothing happens, but given the context it's very effective, and one of the film's more brilliant moments).
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RE: Horror Movies - Torture Porn? - 2/19/2009 2:09:48 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ebot
I think the reason the term "porn" can be applied to horror films is because of images themselves. While porn is obviously about sex, it is ultimately image based, as all moving images are. Further, violence and sex in cinema and porn are spectacular images, similar in their explicit and over the top unrealistic nature. They are also similar because they depict the body: literally fragmented and chopped to pieces in horror, and visually fragmented through editing and camera angles (close ups etc) in porn.
There is an interesting torture like horror film called "Funny Games" by Michael Haneke, originally made in Austria in the 90's and remade with American actors, shot for shot, released this year under the same name. Besides being remarkably suspenseful, it seems to address the images themselves and our complicity in the consumption of the images.
For me, images are very special. If one is to make an explicit image, I hope that it is for reasons of truth and not for spectacular entertainment / money making power.
Apologies for going on and on. Before I go on expounding for pages, I'll wait and see if these ideas are interesting to any of you.
I have to agree with you more about the loose, metafictional interpretation on porn. In regards with Haneke's Funny Games, I had somewhat of an opportunity to watch the Austrian original, though not in its entirety; it was waaaay too upsetting EVEN by my standards, since it requires the viewers to imagine the gory worst; and I haven't even gotten into that metafictional usage over the... let's just say the "rewind option," I've heard about...
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