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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 12/20/2008 1:10:43 AM
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brandynorris
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I believe I remember a pastor that was a guest speaker at our church say something about this. I found it pretty interesting-- he said no where in the bible does it say to woman to love her husband, because love is something that comes naturally to a woman, but it tells her to honor him. I have heard that too but it is an extra-biblical statement that many try to pass off as scripture. We are not supposed to add to or take away from what is written. That statement does exactly that.
I don't think it's too outrageous to infer from that scripture that men need respect and women need love and both interpret those as the love/respect that they were created to need in marriage and, to some extent, it is easier for women to love than to respect. It's not adding very much just to explain that scripture in that way. But creating a doctrine or whole theology around that (writing a whole book on it, for example - which has been done) is very much, IMO, adding to scripture, like you said, or at least is really reaching, I agree.
I agree completely
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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 12/20/2008 1:15:17 AM
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brandynorris
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I do not want my wife to be in mortal terror of me. Or even be a little scared of me. I do, however, want her to understand my strong points and appreciate them.
Every wife should do this. But, even if a husband has no strengths or good points, it's still sin and rebellion (against God and the dh) to not respect and revere him. This verse is just telling wives to do it - to choose to do it. If the dh doesn't have any respectable qualities, that's between her and God and the wife is still to be graciuos and respectful/loving. It's not optional.
Sometimes i find myself out of habit nagging a lot at my husband or putting him down and not meaning to and then i feel horrible. God has pointed these things out to me along the way and I'm trying to fix them. He is making me respect my husband more and to stop all the nagging i use to do.
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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 12/31/2008 10:17:20 AM
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Lyrach
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Old Testament (Hebrew) for "submit"
H7511 raphac rä·fas' humble thyself, submit thyself
New Testament (Greek) for "submit"
G5226 hypeikô hüp-â'-kô submit (one's) self
G5293 hypotassô hü-po-tä's-sô put under, be subject unto, be subject to, submit (one's) self unto, submit (one's) self to, be in subjection unto, put in subjection under, misc
These are some of the definitions taken from the original hebrew & greek texts. Since the verses we are dealing with are from the New Testament , I say we need to go w/G5226 and G5293. My father has his MDIV, and studies both old & new testament, (particularly passionate about the Old Testament), and if you put Greek or Hebrew in front of him, he is able to read it to you (I consider myself very blessed by him & his seeking & searching of God's Word for >25years).
My Point? There are reasons why each of the letters to the churches were written in the specific ways that they were. You might put the same issue of the women being quiet in church (1 Corinth) into this category as well. Paul spoke to the people in each culture, and I believe the principles he was getting at here were trying to hit on some major key habits & weaknesses that we all have. Men are very logical in their way of love & thinking, so Paul parallels their loving to that of their own bodies - in CARING for them. He also says for the husbands to be MINDFUL of putting their wives needs above their own. In much the same way, women are VERY emotional in the way they love, think & act. He wrote for us to respect, because he's trying to point us to standing on the Word of God ; to be rooted & grounded in faith, no matter what we feel at any given moment. (Do not be tossed like a reed in the wind, rather stand firm on the knowledge & word of God). I think the way that God gave Paul to approach husbands & wives in what is good, righteous & true was amazing! He's helping us to come out of our weaknesses (typical weaknesses for each side) and to step into the strength of Christ; to remedy the distance between the two that they may find unity in Christ. I know I don't always feel love toward my husband, but, as many have posted, I still have a Godly duty to step out and respect him. When I am obedient in this way, I find that by the end of the day, I do feel love toward him...likewise, when he makes an effort to TELL me he loves me, to hug me, etc... he feels by the end of the day that we have made a connection, even if he thinks I should just already KNOW in my head that he loves me. ... interesting ...just more thoughts for all ! 
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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 1/1/2009 3:18:08 PM
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still4gvn
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Historically most marriages have been arranged. The family or husband would pick the wife. They might grow to love each other or not. I think submit/respect/honor is parallel to submitting to authorities or the government. We give respect and obedience to them because of their title. Christians submitted/ gave respect to Nero even though he was an evil person.
Of course, respect/submission has limits. Paul disobeyed the authorities who told him not to preach. A woman who is told to call the boss and say her husband is sick (when actually he is drunk) needs to follow a higher principle of obeying God's law against lying.
I feel we can dissent respectfully - no nasty words - and disobey when necessary. There are limits to each kind of authority under God.
BTW, I love my DH and admire him.
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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 1/1/2009 3:33:51 PM
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Keabird
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Could we turn the question around for a moment ... if the Bible happened to not have a verse that said "wives love your husbands", is it then okay to infer that women don't need to love their husbands?
To get the answer we need to then look at what kind of people God would have us be. The entire Bible shows God's character as a Person who loves - even loves those who don't deserve it (which would be all of us.) Jesus spoke much about forgiveness.
Nowhere, that I can see, is there any indication throughout the Bible as a whole, that it would okay for a Christian wife to not love her husband. The basic command of all is to "love one another". So the question is really moot, it seems to me.
Respect on the other hand, can be difficult. There is a saying "respect must be earned." Is this even really true? If someone is behaving in such a way that doesn't earn respect, what is a wife to do?
I believe this comes down to a choice of attitude, and if a wife can't easily find something to respect in her husband, then she can ask God to show her. For myself, no matter how awful my husband is to me, I have a consciousness that he, like me, is a soul for whom Christ died. If God considers him worth saving, then I better respect that and treat him courteously, even though I might not always respect his actions. Likewise, the Bible tells me God loves my husband dearly. If God considers him worth loving, then I better respect that and endeavour to show God's love to him, even as God loves me.
For me, respecting and loving one's husband is not so much about the husband, but about my own relationship with God - whether or not I want to become more Christ-like.
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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 1/1/2009 5:50:49 PM
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MorningStarRising
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For me personally, it's not so much a matter of whether or not there's a specific command in the Bible. My wife and I each took an oath before God, each other, and our community. Part of that oath was a specific promise to love each other for the rest of our lives. Whether it's directly biblical or not, neither one of us has any intention of breaking that oath.
Christ directly gave us only two specific commandments. The first is a commandment to love God. The second is to love one another. In light of His emphasis on the importance of love, I can't see how any Christian could believe they are not required to love their own spouse, of all people.
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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 1/3/2009 1:33:10 AM
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DerWeg
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Why would you marry someone you didn't love in the first place?
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RE: Is there any biblical command.... - 1/3/2009 4:18:46 AM
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Keabird
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Uh - well I did. Back when I was 17 and thought I knew what I was doing. "Young and dumb" as someone once said about themselves.
Why someone would is maybe not so important now as where they are going to go from here.
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