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ORIGINAL: Strider33

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ORIGINAL: cow451
must shortly come to pass doesn't allow any other meaning but that it will happen soon. Scripture does not indicate any of this being in the far distant future. To say otherwise adds meaning that is not in the text. Nobody in the first century would say that "soon" might mean 2000+ years.

Except perhaps for Peter. (See 2 Pet 3:7-9)

Oh, yes, Strider33, thanks for the biblical supports, bless your heart! I was wondering where are they in the Book?

We could go further from the same chapter, v. 3-10, that would enable us to see the whole picture!

"3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.[a]

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Except perhaps for Peter. (See 2 Pet 3:7-9)

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ORIGINAL: Eutychus

Not everyone that disagrees with the latest prophecy-by-newspaper conspiracy theory is a scoffer or following their own evil desires. Some are blood-bought, Holy Spirit filled believers that have learned to see the red flags of deception of teachers that never get it right.

But it never fails that someone will dig up the "scoffer" passage to try to silence concerned and sincere Christians. Knowing my realtionship with Christ, I refuse to be guilted into accepting other men's opinions.


That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
-Ephesians 4:14

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Except perhaps for Peter. (See 2 Pet 3:7-9)

Again, that is how God perceives time, not Peter nor any other human under 1000 years old.

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: lhtytlp

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ORIGINAL: cow451
must shortly come to pass doesn't allow any other meaning but that it will happen soon. Scripture does not indicate any of this being in the far distant future. To say otherwise adds meaning that is not in the text. Nobody in the first century would say that "soon" might mean 2000+ years.

Again, personal view!

It's said in Isaiah 55:8-9, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neigher are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
This makes Him a Supreme God, the kind of watch we wear is not the one He wears, His time frame is different from us!

In addition, Revelation 6: 17, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Emmanuel!!!

That old bugaboo about context and interpretation. It would seem a bit deceptive for God to imply events happening in the near future when they are thousands of years in the future.

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ORIGINAL: SonicStudent

I thought this would make an informative thread.

If we post statements that come up, or even statements that have been said in the past, that show how world leaders in both government and faith are gearing up for a One World Government and a One World Religion.

The thread can keep going and would end up a very good reference point and evidence for anyone looking into this.

Evidence can include one world government statements and links, and also one world religion (I.e. Multi-Faith) statements or links.

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[excerpt from Wikipedia]

World Order in the 21st Century
The CFR started a program in 2008 to last for 5 years called "International Institutions and Global Governance: World Order in the 21st Century" which aims in setting up global institutions in different levels to foster a global governance, in order to tackle different trans-national problems[16]

Countering Transnational Threats, including terrorism, proliferation of WMD, and infectious disease
Protecting the Environment and Promoting Energy Security
Managing the Global Economy
Preventing and Responding to Violent Conflict
In August 2009, the Obama Administration urged cooperation with UN to tackle the same points covered by CFR plan's. "The Obama administration will work with the United Nations to fight terrorism and other major world challenges...like nuclear programs of Iran and North Korea, the global financial crisis, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, pandemics and global warming."[17]

I like the last paragraph of the wiki article on CFR

[excerpt from Wikipedia]
Systems theorists working with tools developed at MIT by Jay Forrester counter David Rockefeller's support for his goals with the claim that an attempt to build an integrated global political and economic structure is a serious danger to humanity's freedom and prosperity. They argue that a dearth of distributed systems on a global scale would mean, first, a globe more susceptible to total economic and/or resource calamity, and second, a world in which lack of competition between rival political systems would make totalitarianism—if ever globally established—extremely difficult to challenge. Supporting the former charge, they cite the recession of 2008, which was exacerbated by the global nature of capital and derivative markets, as an example of the dangers of extreme economic interdependency.[30][page needed]

It would seem obvious that the only goal of a one world government under anyone but Jesus Christ Himself is an attempt to place control in the hands of a few for the benefit of a few but I guess people somewhere still debate such things.

These things start to make me think that we might be looking at the First Seal and I expect then an accelerated timeline through the seals on the order of every six months or so. A very quick descent into the trumpets. However I am still of the opinion that we might be looking at the swine flu being part of the fourth seal since Obama was probably tapped for his new job as Antichrist in waiting back in the late 90's, possibly by Kissinger himself. Time will tell all tales and reveal all things, so let the saints be patient and faithful.

God bless.

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Mission
As stated on its website, CFR's mission is to be “a resource for its members, government officials, business executives, journalists, educators and students, civic and religious leaders, and other interested citizens in order to help them better understand the world and the foreign policy choices facing the United States and other countries.” CFR aims to maintain a diverse membership, including special programs to promote interest and develop expertise in the next generation of foreign policy leaders. It convenes meetings at which government officials, global leaders and prominent members of the foreign policy community discuss major international issues. Its think tank, the David Rockefeller Studies Program, is composed of about fifty adjunct and full-time scholars, as well as ten in-resident recipients of year-long fellowships, who cover the major regions and significant issues shaping today’s international agenda. These scholars contribute to the foreign policy debate by making recommendations to the presidential administration, testifying before Congress, serving as a resource to the diplomatic community, interacting with the media, authoring books, reports, articles, and op-eds on foreign policy issues. CFR publishes Foreign Affairs, “the preeminent journal of international affairs and U.S. foreign policy.” CFR also publishes Independent Task Forces which bring together experts with diverse backgrounds and expertise to work together to produce reports offering both findings and policy prescriptions on important foreign policy topics. To date, CFR has sponsored more than fifty reports.[5]
CFR aims to provide up-to-date information and analysis about world events and U.S. foreign policy. In 2008, CFR.org's “Crisis Guide: Darfur” was awarded an Emmy Award by the Television Academy of Arts and Sciences, in the category of "New Approaches to News & Documentary Programming: Current News Coverage."

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What is the Alliance of Civilizations? From Constance Cumbey's Blog (December 27, 2006) - An article by our reader and contributor affectionately known to us as “Rich of Medford” The final report of the United Nations’ Alliance of Civilizations (AoC) initiative was released last month. In addition to its usual goal of combating exclusivist ideology, the report contains some interesting elements:

1) Exclusivist ideology is defined as “those who feed on exclusion and claim sole ownership of the truth. (Christians, read John 14:6 as you consider this statement.)
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2) The core issue identified to be the bridge between the West and Islam is resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
3) The global and problematic players in this conflict have been identified as the adherents of the three monotheistic faiths.
4) Failure to resolve this conflict will result in a failed Alliance of Civilizations.

Also noteworthy is that the AoC has identified the European Union’s Barcelona Process as one of the frameworks in which it intends to operate. For those unfamiliar with the Process, it is the foundation of the EU’s political, economic, and social policy. The Process, also known as the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, is represented as the only platform that can solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The social dimension of the Process, with implementation facilitated by the Anna Lindh Foundation, cooperates with the AoC and shares the common goal to combat religious fundamentalism worldwide.So what happens to the adherents of the monotheistic faiths if the peace process fails? Lucis Trust, one of the contributors to the AoC initiative gives us an idea. In its publication The Rays and the Initiations, Lucis Trust says that those faiths are but three dead and gone religions with Judaism being old, obsolete, and separative. Christianity, they say, has served its purpose and the new age Christ will replace the Gospel with a new truth. As for Muslims, they will accept the new age Christ as their Imam Mahdi “who will lead them to light and to spiritual victory.” The objective of the AoC, therefore, is “to enforce an Alliance of Civilizations against all those who…give prevalence…to a logic of division and confrontation.” Since the Alliance intends to be fully prepared to enforce its objectives by 2009, I suspect that’s when they will introduce their symbol. Timing is everything. The European Commission has just submitted a document to the author of the Barcelona Process that it is time to deliver. If the planners of the AoC really mean what they say, may God help us all.

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Because God is in direct rivalry with the natural man, their efforts will be to exclude him and those who follow Him from their world. The humorous thing is, this exclusion is not just for Christians but it will also be against Muslims and any other organized religion. They will accept a religion but it will be one of their own making and the central deity will be a man of the most evil nature because that is the only possible outcome of a godless society.

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ORIGINAL: SonicStudent

I thought this would make an informative thread.

If we post statements that come up, or even statements that have been said in the past, that show how world leaders in both government and faith are gearing up for a One World Government and a One World Religion.

The thread can keep going and would end up a very good reference point and evidence for anyone looking into this.

Evidence can include one world government statements and links, and also one world religion (I.e. Multi-Faith) statements or links.

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ORIGINAL: bob97

Your right jjbird but the secular world is not aware to that...they continue in their attempt to make it better .

In Messiah,

Bob