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RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/8/2008 1:08:04 PM
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doinkdom
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A co-workers daughter has been having excrutiating abdominal pain for about 3 days now.
After taking her to the doctor, this 10 year old child has been diagnosed with RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children).
Apparently, this is a real condition.
Anyways... I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with this and/or could offer some advice or anything I can pass on to my co-worker.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/8/2008 8:24:35 PM
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I've never heard it given a name but a friend's daughter, a classmate of dd's had terrible problems last year and I know a couple other girls in dd's class who had similar problems just not as severe. Dd even went through some of this at the end of last school year (3rd grade). Is this a girl you're talking about? It may affect boys too maybe it just happened to be a group of girls that I was around who seemed to have weird, unexplainable symptoms last year. I think it's like colic...my pediatrician says kids just do weird things sometimes. Maybe it's part of growth, who knows.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 6:56:01 AM
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My son and I both had abdominal pain for about a year. Then I had a physician recommend food intolerance testing. We both had a number of food sensitivities and once we stopped eating those foods our symptoms went away. These were common foods that we ate most days, such as corn, carrots, pork, and eggs to name a few. If you would like more info you can visit www.alcat.com to read more about the testing. It was expensive and insurance doesn't pay for it, but it was the best investment we have ever made.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 9:45:56 AM
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my stepdaughter had this.
unfortunately, i have a condition called "mean stepfather syndrome," a variant strain of "Biblically Based Parenting Syndrome," characterized by symptoms including love and discipline.
By addressing these conditions, we were able to clarify her diagnosis more fully.
She had both "there is a test today-related abdominal pain," (AKA TTTRAP) and "middle school is socially stressful for females" syndrome (MSSSFS).
These were cured by making my stepdaughter go to school regardless of abdominal pain, and getting her to talk about social challenges (mean girls, etc.) at school, and by monitoring her schoolwork and upcoming tests very closely.
Symptoms were totally alleviated when my wife came down with SAHM syndrome.
SAHM syndrome occurred just as we both were diagnosed with LWOMAOB (living within our means and on a budget).
Just something to consider.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 10:02:37 AM
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quote:
could offer some advice or anything I can pass on to my co-worker.
Yes. Get a second opinion.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 11:23:12 AM
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my stepdaughter had this.
unfortunately, i have a condition called "mean stepfather syndrome," a variant strain of "Biblically Based Parenting Syndrome," characterized by symptoms including love and discipline.
By addressing these conditions, we were able to clarify her diagnosis more fully.
She had both "there is a test today-related abdominal pain," (AKA TTTRAP) and "middle school is socially stressful for females" syndrome (MSSSFS).
These were cured by making my stepdaughter go to school regardless of abdominal pain, and getting her to talk about social challenges (mean girls, etc.) at school, and by monitoring her schoolwork and upcoming tests very closely.
Symptoms were totally alleviated when my wife came down with SAHM syndrome.
SAHM syndrome occurred just as we both were diagnosed with LWOMAOB (living within our means and on a budget).
Just something to consider.
bwahahahhahaa!
good post 
Knowing her daughter and being around for the last 24 hours, I tend to think there is a sliver of truth to this. Unfortunately, there is also real pain...this girl is very active athletically and socially and has asked to stop soccer and cheerleading and has called her mom to pick up from other social events early. Very uncharacteristic.
So...I will pass on what y'all have given me....I tend to lean towards something in her diet contributing as well. She drinks a lot of milk and eats a lot red meat.
Thanks for the input and keep the advice or suggestions coming.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 12:00:27 PM
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I had this as a kid. It turned out to be my diet but I forget what it was now. Milk might be the culprit but it could be something else.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 1:15:19 PM
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Ds(13) has had digestive issues after he had been on anitbiotics for an ear infection/swimmers ear. He was on them for a month because his ear wouldn't clear up. I read up on acidopholis(sp?) and have been giving it to him the last week and it seems to work. I also believe he's lactose intolerant, but haven't had him tested. Is it possible she needs some probiotics?
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 1:45:16 PM
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Could be...but her mom says that she is not eating much of anything right now.
She is keeping a diary of food intake, bowel movements and the condition thereof (  ), also logging the pain levels when she has them.
They hope that after about a week, a pattern will emerge.
For example...she went to school today. She felt better other than her side kinda paining her with spasms but not severe. About 11:45 she went to the nurses office with severe pain. Her mom talked with the nurse and the daughter agreed she wanted to stay and "tough it out" at school so the nurse gave her an ibuprofen and sent her back to class.
She just called again (the nurse did) to say the pain was obviously worse but coming and going and not remaining consistant. They gave it like 20 minutes and now she feels better.
weirdest thing I've ever heard of...
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 2:00:41 PM
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My daughter had stomach pains when she was 9 or 10, and the doctor said it was because she was not eating enough fibre. A little more fibre and the pains went.
The other thing that occurs to me about your friend's dd is has she started her periods yet?
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 2:22:46 PM
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She's 10 and no period as of yet, although several classmates have had theirs.
I asked her mom about her diet and was told that while the daughter does eat her share of "kid food", she also eats lots of veggies and whole grains, etc.
Apparently, they had a hospital nutritionist come in for the girls' sports teams and give them a talk about the right kinds of foods to eat for staying healthy. I guess the daughter took it very seriously.
It's just the weirdest thing...I hope mom and dad keep up with watching her and making sure that nothing is passed off as insignificant in the way of lifestyle, diet or even stress levels. I would imagine they'll be getting a second opinion as well.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 3:59:01 PM
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My thoughts/questions would be...
Any history at all of sexual abuse?
How about UTIs?
And very possibly could be hormonally related, even IBS related to hormones.
I would not settle for such a generic diagnosis without further investigation.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/9/2008 4:07:58 PM
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My sister and I had these issues when we were in elementary school. I think it was stress related. The pain is very real, but the cause is from stress. This is not true for all cases, of course, but in ours it was. My dd had a similar problem, but hers turned out to be constipation. We eat lots of fruits, vegetables and mostly whole grains, not much junk food. Even our cookies are mostly home made with whole wheat flour. She is now eating prunes daily and drinking more water. When she sticks to that, she is fine. When she doesn't stick to it, she has terrible pain.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 12:35:47 PM
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I had the same problem starting in elementary school as Cynthia's sister. The pain got better after high school since my life became much less stressful. I also changed my diet a few years ago and I don't have constipation problems anymore. In middle school though, I'd say I was faking about half my stomach aches.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 12:37:50 PM
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Is it possible that this young lady is doing too much? I know some parents schedule the life out of their kids.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 1:27:07 PM
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doing too much / stress:
i agree that this explanation needs to seriously be considered.
this is a 10-year old with an active, busy life: sports and social.
this is the perfect recipe for somatic symptoms.
i know i will get tons of flack for my opinion, but frankly i do not believe that this amount of organized stuff is good for a kid.
i, in my own opinion (in other words, you are free to disagree with me) believe that a child can actually ENJOY every bit of the many activities (friends, school, soccer, piano lessons, dance, cheerleading, volunteering at church, etc) but nonetheless get worn out or stressed.
especially if the child has some concern about level of performance - i.e., wanting to compete well, improve, win, etc.
in my crazy, off-track, foolish opinion, i believe it is up to us parents to have sense about how much is too much, and for us to impose limits.
in my crazy, wild, shoot-from-the-hip mixed-up brain, i believe that the big people, not the young ones, decide how much is enough, and when to say when.
radical, yes. unconventional, yes. so, censor and delete my posts if you want.
but here is a test:
cut the activities in half for the spring semester. see what happens.
in our case, other things we did:
we have permanently committed to a tutor. i get the tutor lined up before the school year starts, before grades start falling.
i instituted the tv-off-and-no-more-cell-phone-at-10pm program.
my wife and stepdaughter strongly opposed my crazy views, but we have discovered that i was right.
along with stepdaughter:
wife had a very stressful deskjob.
then we switched her to a job called "SAHM." for the past 2 years thank god.
Her irritable bowel syndrome has not recurred for 2 years.
her migraines have not recurred for the past 2 years.
her occasional swollen leg (vestige of leg blood clot from 17 yrs ago) has not recurred.
SO: pick your poison. try the lifestyle changes, or get on the merry-go-round of medical guesses.
my wife could have accepted the migraine treatments, the IBS treatments, etc.
Me: I am happy to have to live by a budget, and to require myself to devote quality family time, and to say no to various things including pleas for volunteers from church, in order to no longer have the migraines, IBS, stomach pains (and school refusal), etc.
Just my opinion.
Feel free to jump on my case and point out how I am wrong- I have been thru it before on similar issues.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 1:33:28 PM
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I can't say I disagree with you about the lifestyle change...but this is not my daughter and I can only make suggestions as a friend.
The 10 year old in question is very driven without any pressure at all from parents, etc. So I'm not sure how much she'd really listen...but I will pass it on.
Thanks...
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 3:00:52 PM
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doing too much / stress:
i agree that this explanation needs to seriously be considered.
this is a 10-year old with an active, busy life: sports and social.
this is the perfect recipe for somatic symptoms.
i know i will get tons of flack for my opinion, but frankly i do not believe that this amount of organized stuff is good for a kid.
i, in my own opinion (in other words, you are free to disagree with me) believe that a child can actually ENJOY every bit of the many activities (friends, school, soccer, piano lessons, dance, cheerleading, volunteering at church, etc) but nonetheless get worn out or stressed.
especially if the child has some concern about level of performance - i.e., wanting to compete well, improve, win, etc.
in my crazy, off-track, foolish opinion, i believe it is up to us parents to have sense about how much is too much, and for us to impose limits.
in my crazy, wild, shoot-from-the-hip mixed-up brain, i believe that the big people, not the young ones, decide how much is enough, and when to say when.
radical, yes. unconventional, yes. so, censor and delete my posts if you want.
but here is a test:
cut the activities in half for the spring semester. see what happens.
in our case, other things we did:
we have permanently committed to a tutor. i get the tutor lined up before the school year starts, before grades start falling.
i instituted the tv-off-and-no-more-cell-phone-at-10pm program.
my wife and stepdaughter strongly opposed my crazy views, but we have discovered that i was right.
along with stepdaughter:
wife had a very stressful deskjob.
then we switched her to a job called "SAHM." for the past 2 years thank god.
Her irritable bowel syndrome has not recurred for 2 years.
her migraines have not recurred for the past 2 years.
her occasional swollen leg (vestige of leg blood clot from 17 yrs ago) has not recurred.
SO: pick your poison. try the lifestyle changes, or get on the merry-go-round of medical guesses.
my wife could have accepted the migraine treatments, the IBS treatments, etc.
Me: I am happy to have to live by a budget, and to require myself to devote quality family time, and to say no to various things including pleas for volunteers from church, in order to no longer have the migraines, IBS, stomach pains (and school refusal), etc.
Just my opinion.
Feel free to jump on my case and point out how I am wrong- I have been thru it before on similar issues.
This reminds me of a daughter talking with her mother saying that she was too busy in her world. The mother then said, Well let's pray about it.
They prayed asking the Lord to give the daughter a break!
Well He did, during cheerleading practice, she severely sprained her ankle and almost broke it! So needless to say: She Got the Break 
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 3:08:22 PM
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I can't say I disagree with you about the lifestyle change...but this is not my daughter and I can only make suggestions as a friend.
The 10 year old in question is very driven without any pressure at all from parents, etc. So I'm not sure how much she'd really listen...but I will pass it on.
Thanks...
My son suffers from abdominal pain, he is almost 3 y/o. The drs says the cause is because he has a delayed digestive system.
So I have to give him miralax since his system is slower and it also produces gas. I mean somedays he looks very bloated and other days he is fine.
All this started when the formula did not agree with him. One dr switched it to soy, but when I went to Mass General they said soy was more binding and switched him back to milk.
He can not tolerate milk even though the rast test say he is not allergic, his body can not diget it and I give him goats milk which in all things have been better.
I believe maybe your friend should check out the foods in which her daughter consumes.
It can be causing a build up in her digestive system and God forbid if a blockage is formed.
Did she say which side the pain is on? Or is it across from left to right?
This also makes a difference
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 3:15:24 PM
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Diet has not been ruled out, but it is not the forerunner at the moment.
The focus right now I think is puberty/hormones combined with an extremely active schedule. However, telling that to a kid who loves their schedule...is gonna be tough for mom and dad.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/10/2008 3:32:40 PM
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Maybe her period is trying to start? My sister gets severe abdominal cramping and pain when my other sister and mom menstruate. Dsister #1 is very irregular, but will still cramp, etc... on the regular schedule of mom and Dsister#2.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/12/2008 11:55:17 AM
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Just this week I received a prayer request from a co-worker for her granddaughter. At age 11 after years of stomach pain, she has been diagnosed with
"Malrotation" of the intestines. Usually found at birth when it is relatively simple to correct, it is a potentially fatal condition in which the intestines are twisted and out a place, which has caused her other organs to develop in the wrong locations. At her age, this is a very serious surgery in which the doctors will need to made a large incision and, basically, remove her intestines, untangle them and re situate her organs.
Might be worth mentioning to your friend.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/12/2008 1:47:52 PM
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Just this week I received a prayer request from a co-worker for her granddaughter. At age 11 after years of stomach pain, she has been diagnosed with
"Malrotation" of the intestines. Usually found at birth when it is relatively simple to correct, it is a potentially fatal condition in which the intestines are twisted and out a place, which has caused her other organs to develop in the wrong locations. At her age, this is a very serious surgery in which the doctors will need to made a large incision and, basically, remove her intestines, untangle them and re situate her organs.
Might be worth mentioning to your friend.
Oh my...thank you and I pray your friends granddaughter's surgery is a success.
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/15/2008 11:41:44 AM
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telling that to a kid who loves their schedule...is gonna be tough for mom and dad.
my toddler hates it when i tell him 'no more candy.' this is predictable. being unpopular is part of being a parent. if i did not say 'no', he would get his own case of 'CIPC' (Candy-Induced Pain in Children).
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RE: RAPC (Reccurent Abdominal Pain in Children) - 12/15/2008 11:52:47 AM
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I believe maybe your friend should check out the foods in which her daughter consumes.
This is a good strategy. You can google "rotation diet."
On a rotation diet, you restrict the diet for a certain period of time to a few specific items from each necessary food group.
Then, according to plan, you 'rotate' some foods in and rotate some out, just as players rotate in and out of a soccer game.
Mostly, this is how people find out if they are allergic to any grains, such as wheat or corn. Those two are not uncommon allergies.
You have to take it seriously, and not violate the diet, and keep notes on symptoms.
I figured out my dog was allergic to wheat by doing this. She used to scratch all the time. when I adopsted her, the foster-dog mom said to give my dog a benadryl or two a day. When I figured out it was wheat allergy, I simply began buying dog food with no wheat, and do what I can to keep the dog from getting hold of bread (pizza crust, crackers, etc.).
For the baby with the gas problems from formula, it doesn't matter whether someone 'reacts' to a rast test: if soy formula is OK, then use soy formula. If goat milk is OK, then use goat milk. Problems digesting cow milk is not exactly an 'allergy.' It is just an individual difference in the enzymes necessary to digest some specific protein. We call it an 'allergy' because we use this word to describe a bad reaction to some food. Sometimes these things show up on the allergen tests, and sometimes they don't. (thankfully my mold allergy showed up on testing, and I got it treated!).
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