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Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/11/2008 7:12:02 PM
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His_will_i_am
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Those of you who are in leadership, do you allow the rest of teh brethren to operate in their giftings and callings during times of fellowship? Do you allow the teachers to teach and have their teachings judged publicly? Do you allow those who have gifts of healing to exercise them? Do you at least have some time set aside somewhere in the week for the rest of the people to use and grow in their giftings and callings?
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/12/2008 9:32:21 AM
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Those of you who are in leadership, do you allow the rest of teh brethren to operate in their giftings and callings during times of fellowship?
Yes.
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Do you allow the teachers to teach and have their teachings judged publicly?
Yes, At anytime someone is teaching/preaching (including me) we will always answer questions, explain things further, or whatever to be sure the teaching is understood.
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Do you allow those who have gifts of healing to exercise them?
During the Church services we excerise the following in relation to praying for the sick;
(Jas 5:14) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
(Jas 5:15) And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
And we adhere to to;
;(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/12/2008 10:54:37 AM
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do you allow the rest of teh brethren to operate in their giftings and callings during times of fellowship?
For the size of our church we have a relatively small staff - most of the real "work" is done by volunteers exercising gifts ranging from hospitality to teaching.
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Do you allow the teachers to teach and have their teachings judged publicly?
Absolutely, within the context of 2 Tim 2 - "And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others", meaning that we have a group of people who have demonstrated their faithfulness, maturity and teaching gifts in smaller venues (Bible Studies, Sunday School, etc) who regularly teach in a variety of venues, including our Sunday worship service.
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Do you allow those who have gifts of healing to exercise them?
Yes, we have a team of people who are available on Sundays and throughout the week to pray for healing for the sick.
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Do you at least have some time set aside somewhere in the week for the rest of the people to use and grow in their giftings and callings?
Again, we're heavily volunteer-oriented so most of what happens in our church happens because people exercise their gifts in a variety of ways, by leading small groups, ministering to the poor and sick among us, etc. We rarely, if ever, turn away someone who wants to exercise their gifts.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/12/2008 5:37:20 PM
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Very encouraging to here rcjames, gcsmithjr. all of the intstituional variety of churchs which I've ever visited promoted only the 'head pastor' or some other person in the leadership as being qualified to teach, preach, deliver words of knowledge/wisdom, etc... How often do those in your congregations get to share what the Lord has been sharing with them with everyone else? Do you have open puplit time througout the week or something? Does any of the fellowship just have to say ,"I"d like to share a teaching" or "The Lord has put something on my heart to share with everyone" in order to use their gifts/walk in their callings?
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/12/2008 9:25:34 PM
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How often do those in your congregations get to share what the Lord has been sharing with them with everyone else?
When you say "with everyone else" I assume you're asking how often do they teach on Sunday morning - typically it's about once a month, anytime our Senior Pastor isn't scheduled to teach. Outside of Sunday morning it happens much more frequently. About half of the teaching in our other ministries is done by the volunteers who lead those ministries.
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Does any of the fellowship just have to say ,"I"d like to share a teaching" or "The Lord has put something on my heart to share with everyone" in order to use their gifts/walk in their callings?
It doesn't quite work that way. In order to abide by 2 Timothy (the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others) and 1 Corinthians (But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way) we don't allow people to share in our Sunday services unless they've been invited to speak.
We learned that lesson the hard way when we were a much smaller church. Many years ago we had a time once a month when anyone could share what was on their heart at the end of the service. After a series of disasters (One woman sharing WAAAYYY too much information about a giardia outbreak that was afflicting her family, another person sharing inappropriate information about another person's private struggles - and mentioning the other person by name, and a third time when a person spoke in tongues, after which someone shared a phony interpretation in an effort to abide by 1 Cor 14) we decided that open sharing didn't fit the description of being "fitting and orderly".
Most of the type of sharing you're referring to happens in smaller gatherings (our weekly men's and women's ministry gatherings, etc.) where many people have an opportunity to share what's on their heart.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/13/2008 9:50:54 AM
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Very encouraging to here rcjames, gcsmithjr. all of the intstituional variety of churchs which I've ever visited promoted only the 'head pastor' or some other person in the leadership as being qualified to teach, preach, deliver words of knowledge/wisdom, etc... How often do those in your congregations get to share what the Lord has been sharing with them with everyone else? Do you have open puplit time througout the week or something? Does any of the fellowship just have to say ,"I"d like to share a teaching" or "The Lord has put something on my heart to share with everyone" in order to use their gifts/walk in their callings?
Durimng our regular services if someone has something to share; they can share. If they are off base (heretical) I will correct it with Scriptue, but that rarely happens. During my teaching, if someone has a comment or question; they simple raise their hand and when I get through with the point I am making; I ask them to speak what is on thier mind.
99% of the time I answer it then and there, if it is something off base and needs a lot of teaching and instruction, I ask them to meet with me after the service; then I take what ever time is necessary to answer their concerns. Then the next service, I give a condenced version to the congregation as a whole.
Now let me state that I am the "Head" Pastor, and if someone is being out of order or divisive I will quite them in a second, and expell them from the congregation if they will not set down. I believe part of being a shephard is to protect from wolves as well as feed the flock. Doing this is most rare as folks know that I will set them down or expell them if they try to disrupt; so they don't.
Works for us.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/13/2008 1:37:41 PM
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It doesn't quite work that way. In order to abide by 2 Timothy (the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others) and 1 Corinthians (But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way) we don't allow people to share in our Sunday services unless they've been invited to speak.
gcsmithjr, in your fellowship what makes a person 'reliable' and what makes a person 'qualified' to teach others? Also what is your fellowship's definition of a 'fitting and orderly way'? I ask because when people use these terms there are often differences between the understanding of what the Lord meant/intended and the ways which men tend to apply them. For one group of people orderly way means a set itinerary. For another it may mean allowing each person an opportunity to share what the Lord may have them share, one person at a time.
rcjames, do you have time set apart for the other people in the fellowship to share teachings? Do you share the pulpit? I ask because I've never been in an institutional style church were everyone leadership allowed the, forgive the expression, laity the opportunity to use their gifts/walk in their callings freely.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/13/2008 2:11:48 PM
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what makes a person 'reliable'
Someone who is known to us as a body and who has demonstrated some level of spiritual maturity, particularly if they're going to share during our Sunday worship service.
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what makes a person 'qualified' to teach others?
Typically it means they have demonstrated the spiritual maturity and knowledge of scripture needed to "rightly divide the word of truth". Usually they've led small groups, taught Sunday school, and have demonstrated their spiritual maturity as a volunteer in some capacity. Most of them have been through some type of training.
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Also what is your fellowship's definition of a 'fitting and orderly way'? I ask because when people use these terms there are often differences between the understanding of what the Lord meant/intended and the ways which men tend to apply them. For one group of people orderly way means a set itinerary. For another it may mean allowing each person an opportunity to share what the Lord may have them share, one person at a time.
It really depends on the situation in which they're sharing. If they're sharing something during the Men's ministry meeting it just means they're sharing what's on their heart one person at a time without being disruptive. During the Sunday service it would mean responding appropriately to an invitation to share from the person who is teaching.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/13/2008 2:19:07 PM
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gcsmithjr, how large is the fellowship which you attend? Is Sunday reserved for only those in leadership? Who chooses who can share and can't?
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/13/2008 2:53:51 PM
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rcjames, do you have time set apart for the other people in the fellowship to share teachings? Do you share the pulpit? I ask because I've never been in an institutional style church were everyone leadership allowed the, forgive the expression, laity the opportunity to use their gifts/walk in their callings freely.
If someone wants to teach the congregation I usually let them (unless they have a history of flakyness). Also unless I am very comfortable/familiar with them and they want to teach; I ask for a teaching outline so as to check for doctrinal correctness. If they just want to testify or share some events; they are usually welcomed and given a proper amount of time.
With all testimonies, teachings, etc. I will immediately correct any false teaching/doctrinal error that the person presents. The knowledge that I will do this keeps the really weird stuff out of the pulpit.
I do this and all the wihile keeping in mind;
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/13/2008 2:57:07 PM
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rcjames, that is so refreshing and encouraging to hear. Your ways are very unusual and a blessing to hear. rock on bro!.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/13/2008 5:18:17 PM
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gcsmithjr, how large is the fellowship which you attend?
On Sunday we're around 1,500 adults.
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Is Sunday reserved for only those in leadership? Who chooses who can share and can't?
Sunday isn't reserved for only those in leadership, but we're very careful about who the primary teacher is (they have to have demonstrated that they are "reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others" before they are given that responsibility), with the final decision being made by our Senior Pastor. Several of the people who have taught in the last year are church members who have demonstrated that they have a gift of teaching in another ministry. Just in the last few months we've had a Fireman, a local businessman, and a freelance writer who have been the primary teacher on Sunday - they do provide an outline of what they're going to teach beforehand.
It's very common for the primary teacher (whether it's one of our pastors or a volunteer) to invite someone to share their testimony, what God is doing in their lives today, or what's happening in their ministry as part of the service.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/14/2008 3:44:26 PM
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I see. Thanks for your honesty.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/15/2008 4:02:46 PM
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Those of you who are in leadership, do you allow the rest of teh brethren to operate in their giftings and callings during times of fellowship? Do you allow the teachers to teach and have their teachings judged publicly? Do you allow those who have gifts of healing to exercise them? Do you at least have some time set aside somewhere in the week for the rest of the people to use and grow in their giftings and callings?
we do, but we're a very small home church
I also take great encouragement from rcjames and others in their local bodies doing the same.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/15/2008 5:31:22 PM
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How many people do you have fellowshipping together?
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/16/2008 10:34:04 AM
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about 20 with 3 tweens and one 8 yr. old
usually 12-16 each week with everyone showing up about twice a month
Right now, we meet on Saturday evenings, but starting January 4th, we'll be meeting on Sunday mornings and Wednesday evenings.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/16/2008 6:26:52 PM
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Awesome!
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/16/2008 10:23:30 PM
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Wow His_will_i_am
You have opened a pandora's box. Many on this forum don't evern believe that the spiritual gifts are for today. Now in cases where those that do, many times they are restricted to the "anointed" ones up front. Seldom are members of the congregation given opportunity to exercise their gifts.
But I do believe that leaders should urge members to utilize their gifts. I've seen many people have burdens for evangelism and leadership failed to encourage them or offer any discipleship in that area.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/17/2008 7:11:45 AM
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Now in cases where those that do, many times they are restricted to the "anointed" ones up front. Seldom are members of the congregation given opportunity to exercise their gifts.
I'd love to hear some examples of this because my experience has been so different.
In most of the churches I've been a part of just about anyone who wanted to exercise their gifts could find an opportunity. As a matter of fact, most pastors are desperate for members of the body to start using their gifts so that the pastor and staff don't have to do everything. In our church we are constantly recruiting people to lead small groups, disciple new believers and take leadership roles in various ministries and never seem to have enough people to meet the needs (we currently have more people wanting to be in small groups than people to lead the groups).
We do require that people who are going to be in leadership roles - teaching, discipleship, etc. - to demonstrate a level of maturity before we simply turn them loose, because we believe it would be irresponsible to do anything else. That simply means that anyone who wants to exercise their gifts in one of these roles needs to go through some basic training (usually a couple of 2-hour sessions), and be willing to submit to some level of oversight (i.e. a monthly touch base with the ministry leader to get feedback and coaching).
I'd like to hear some more about exactly what kinds of situations you're experiencing where the gifts aren't being used because I just don't see it.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/17/2008 5:51:28 PM
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We do require that people who are going to be in leadership roles - teaching, discipleship, etc. - to demonstrate a level of maturity before we simply turn them loose, because we believe it would be irresponsible to do anything else. That simply means that anyone who wants to exercise their gifts in one of these roles needs to go through some basic training (usually a couple of 2-hour sessions), and be willing to submit to some level of oversight (i.e. a monthly touch base with the ministry leader to get feedback and coaching).
Who amongst the leadership in your fellowship is 'mature enough' to deteermine if another is mature enough to use something which the Lord has given them? That's awfully arrogant don't you think? Who's to say that the current leadership, themselves, are mature enough to be in leadership? Taking the example of a person who's been called to teach, if they already have a teaching prepared what further 'training' do they require? Concerning oversight, what exactly does that mean?
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/17/2008 5:55:29 PM
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As a matter of fact, most pastors are desperate for members of the body to start using their gifts so that the pastor and staff don't have to do everything.
I've found that the vast majority of institutional 'pastors' are only desperate for greeters, ushers, parking attendants, and the like. But when it comes to teachers, prophets, apostles, etc. they can't dare allow anyone else to teach or preach because that may endanger their position or the kingdom which they've built for themselves. It's in their best interest tokeep the sheep dumb by not allowing to freely exercise their gifts or callings.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/17/2008 6:07:27 PM
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I've found that the vast majority of institutional 'pastors' are only desperate for greeters, ushers, parking attendants, and the like. But when it comes to teachers, prophets, apostles, etc. they can't dare allow anyone else to teach or preach because that may endanger their position or the kingdom which they've built for themselves. It's in their best interest tokeep the sheep dumb by not allowing to freely exercise their gifts or callings.
An awlful lot of generalization going on here, and a lot of assumptions.
I encourage folks to share with my congregation; as long as what they share is Biblical and not divisive to the doctrines that we adhere to. If someone is sharing and what they say is non Scriptural and/or divisive, then I stop them and ask them to sit down or to leave. Since folks know that I will do this, then I do not have to do it much.
Many Pastors do not have the witherall to do that; so they do not let many folks get up to speak. That does not support your theroy of "Kingdom protection", or "dumbing down" of the congregation, just shows the Pastor's concern for the truth to be presented to the folks. Now there may be the rare Pastor who is afraid of someone else being more "Charismatic" than they are; but that is surely the exception and not the rule.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/17/2008 6:23:05 PM
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I only generalize because I haven't been to every institutional or house fellowship, so I like to assume that it's possible that there are the rare leaders who don't fit the corrupt mold. How do you encourage your congregation to share with the rest? What are divisive doctrines in your estimation and would that be the protocol which our Lord and His apostles held to? If someone is sharing do you give them opportunity to complete what they're sharing and then debunk it, or do you arbitrarily just cut them off? The reason I ask is because what if our Lord has given a person deeepr understanding in a particular area than yourself, and you just haven't been taught a certain thing before. If you don't know it to be true, would you cut them off, even if you didn't have any scriptural grounds for doing so?
When it comes to 'kingdom protection' and 'dumbing down of the sheep':
Perhaps you don't see it because you're part of the system which teaches people you to view things the way you do.
Perhaps you are blessed in not ever meeting leaders who knowingly/unknowingly act in such a matter.
(I like to give even them the benefit of the doubt by chalking it up to what they've been taught. Also that it's more often the case of a currupt systemwhich is corrupting peoplerather than it predominantly being corrupt people further corrupting a corrupt system.)
Perhaps it's only a very small number of 'pastors' who say what goes and what doesn't according to their own whim.
Maybe the current problems in the Body don't begin with the leadership.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/17/2008 6:56:06 PM
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I only generalize because I haven't been to every institutional or house fellowship, so I like to assume that it's possible that there are the rare leaders who don't fit the corrupt mold. How do you encourage your congregation to share with the rest? What are divisive doctrines in your estimation and would that be the protocol which our Lord and His apostles held to? If someone is sharing do you give them opportunity to complete what they're sharing and then debunk it, or do you arbitrarily just cut them off? The reason I ask is because what if our Lord has given a person deeepr understanding in a particular area than yourself, and you just haven't been taught a certain thing before. If you don't know it to be true, would you cut them off, even if you didn't have any scriptural grounds for doing so?
If what they are teaching is heretical (divisive) to the basic doctrine of our faith; I cut them off, share with the congregation the passages that the teaching is contrary to, and carry on with the gathering. As I said this very seldom happens because the folks will not try to bring in heresy if they know they will be called on it.
The last time this happened was when one of our members had a relative visiting and ask if he could share, the guy started to teach universalism (that everyone is going to Heaven, and Christ is not the only way). I set him down ASAP, gave Scripture that showed he was in error. The guy left the service, and his relative was most apologetic for the guys actions. There are some fruitcakes in this world and they should be dealt with as such.
I will ignore the sarcastic portion of your post; at least for the present time.
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RE: Allowing the gifts to be used - 12/17/2008 7:03:05 PM
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I would say that the way you handled that was very wise and appropriate. Before you set him down, was he already addressing the gathering? Did you correct him in front of everyone or did you take him aside?
By the way, I wasn't be sarcastic at all. I was being completely serious. You may not have liked what I suggested, but they're all possibilities.
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