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Lost my salvation - 1/11/2009 10:17:37 PM
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cansecret
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I love God and believe in Jesus Christ as my savior, however, I am very far away in my relationship at the moment. I have hidden sin in my life and it haunts me everyday and I don't know how to get out of this sin without hurting alot of people by revealing it. So I feel that I am so far that I can't get back. Even if I ask forgiveness I can't change the circumstances and so sin still exists. Can God forgive me and help me to get through the errors of my ways?
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/11/2009 10:49:13 PM
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I love God and believe in Jesus Christ as my savior, however, I am very far away in my relationship at the moment. I have hidden sin in my life and it haunts me everyday and I don't know how to get out of this sin without hurting alot of people by revealing it. So I feel that I am so far that I can't get back. Even if I ask forgiveness I can't change the circumstances and so sin still exists. Can God forgive me and help me to get through the errors of my ways?
Absolutely. With God, nothing is impossible. Just ask Him, and be prepared to obey Him. He saved Steven Moran, a cold blooded killer and rapist on the FBI most wanted list, He saved a mafia hitman named Skeeter ... no sin is too big for His grace and Mercy.
His mercy is underserved -- For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
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To the harlot – “go and sin no more”. To the thief – “today you will be with me”. To the Mafia hit man – yes He can forgive even that! “There was no right on the sinner’s part to the kind consideration of the Most High; had the rebel been doomed at once to eternal fire he would have richly merited the doom, and if delivered from wrath, sovereign love alone has found a cause, for there was none in the sinner himself.” Spurgeon
As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us. As a father pities his children, so the Lord pities those who fear Him. For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust. (Psalm 103:12-14)
His mercy is limitless and rich beyond our wildest dreams. He chooses not to give to His children what we each so richly deserve, but instead, gives to us so richly that which we do not deserve!
According to the multitude of Your tender mercies, blot out my transgressions. (Psalm 51:1)
Just go to the Father. He will welcome you with open arms and make a way where this is no way.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/11/2009 10:52:06 PM
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Cansecret: Its a good thing that you see this. Your freedom is on the other side of privately confessing your faults to either your pastor or someone you trust. God sent Jesus Christ into the world save us from the power of sin. The power of sin in many cases, such as yours, is to lock someone up in hidden sin that they cannot confess or ask prayer for.
Confession to God, repentance toward God and believing God to empower you to walk daily into victory is what Christ came to give the believer. But it is a horrible thing to hold onto the idol and to try and hold on to Christ too. Your conscience knows that Christ will never allow you to hold both the idol and Himself.
A little soul searching is being forced upon you by your situation as I understand it. You will eventually come to a place where you will decide what is most important Christ or your sin.
You might lose reputation, you might lose trust with others and expose yourself to ridicule and judgment...that might very well happen. But genuine repentance will never be rejected by Christ and you will gain Christ even while you lose your life. But this is what being a disciple is, its a losing of ones life for Christ.
Its also important to know that the beginning of a new blessed joyful life is on the otherside of tossing your idol. Its on the other side of giving to God what has been isolating Him from you.
In other words, the crucifying of your flesh on the altar of confession and repentance will yield and understanding, that knowledge will be a deeply known genuinness to your faith. Faith that choses God instead of ones own reputation. If the truth be known our reputations are usually only appreciated by those who want something from us. Those who are true friends know what your really like and love you anyway.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/11/2009 11:04:14 PM
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Cansecret: One more little goodie. God knew that this sin would wrap you up in knots. He knew that before He saved you. God knew that you would have to make a decision about your sin and Himself. God determined to save you not based upon your performance but for no other reason it made him happy to save you and call you to himself. God loved you, loves you and will love you through all of this. The salvation of God is not limited to really good christians who dont do anything bad or dont ever let sin get the best of them. Sin can and does get the best of a Christian some times. But thats why God brings us to these crossroads, not because he's going to pound on us for being weak and sinfully stupid, he knew that before we were born, but to show just how much He is willing to deliver and empower the weakest of us so we might know more about who He is. What the enemy uses to remove you from God, God is able to use to make you know Him deeper than you would have ever known Him. God is confident in his ability to get you out of jams.
Its safe to trust God. Im telling you from experience, even when it looks like you are never going to recover from this thing, that you will never again be fit to take out the trash for Jesus, God is able to raise you up again so high that God through you will stomp Satan and sin with an iron boot.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/12/2009 12:00:58 AM
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I love God and believe in Jesus Christ as my savior, however, I am very far away in my relationship at the moment. I have hidden sin in my life and it haunts me everyday and I don't know how to get out of this sin without hurting alot of people by revealing it. So I feel that I am so far that I can't get back. Even if I ask forgiveness I can't change the circumstances and so sin still exists. Can God forgive me and help me to get through the errors of my ways?
Almost every man of God recorded in Scripture (Noah, Abraham, Moses & David are good examples) sinned seriously against the Lord.
That did not cause the Lord to cast them off or damn them. So God can forgive you and also restore your fellowship with Him.
However, there must be genuine repentance and confession of sin to God, and as best as possible, restitution made to those against whom you have sinned.
So go back to the Bible and see how God dealt with His sinning servants. Those things are written to teach us about God and His ways.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/12/2009 11:40:18 AM
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drmark
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Even if I ask forgiveness I can't change the circumstances and so sin still exists. Please do not confuse the consequences of sin with the forgiveness of sin, cansecret. God rarely removes all traces of the results of sinful actions, but He removes our sin as far as the east is from the west - Psalm 103:12. You have received wise counsel in the above posts. Are you ready to let God have His way in your heart?
One final thought, cansecret - you have not lost your salvation, rather you have lost the joy of your salvation. If you continue to reject God's forgiveness and fail to repent of your sinful behavior, you surely are in danger of losing your salvation!
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/12/2009 11:03:46 PM
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Can God forgive me and help me to get through the errors of my ways?
If you are telling the truth in your first sentence-- "I love God"-- then it seems to me that you are in pretty good standing, for loving God is the first and greatest commandment. I am surer of God's grace on you than on me, to be completely honest. In Christ Jesus, all sins can be forgiven: lack of love is a worse problem.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/13/2009 8:44:09 AM
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In Christ Jesus, all sins can be forgiven: lack of love is a worse problem. If God is able to forgive sins through faith in Christ Jesus, surely He is able to impart the Love of Christ into those who also have faith in Him!
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/13/2009 9:32:46 AM
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If God is able to forgive sins through faith in Christ Jesus, surely He is able to impart the Love of Christ into those who also have faith in Him!
Surely He is.
I have found over the years that some folks do not feel the "Joy", because even though they have repented of some sin, recievded God's forgiveness; they remain consumed by guilt.
Being consumed by guilt over forgiven sin is the work of the enemy to steal that joy which one so longingly desires.
When are sins are forgiven; we are forgiven, cleansed, justified before God, without spot or wrinkly and waiting joyfully for the soon coming of Christ.
To sit around feeling sorry for oneself, sad, depressed, and miserable over something that God has already taken care of is an awful waste of the sacrifice of Christ.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 1:12:19 PM
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You are feeling the way you do about your salvation because you believe that your sin(s) are separating you from God. That is not true. Because of the death of Christ on the cross there is no sin that will ever separate you from God. Your behavior didn't get you saved and it doesn't cost you your salvation. Salvation is the restoration of the life of God made available through the resurrected life of Christ. The Holy Spirit has been given to you a seal "guaranteeing" your salvation. Because of your faith in Christ you have been...
Totally forgiven (Colossians 2:13)
Totally Cleansed (1 Corinthians 6:11)
Made holy and blameless (Colossians 1:22)
Reconciled to God (Romans 5:10)
Justified (Romans 3:23-24)
Saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:9)
Made at peace with God (Romans 5:1)
Freed from condemnation (Romans 8:1)
Sanctified (Hebrews 10:10)
Made perfect forever (Hebrews 10:14)
Totally accepted (Romans 15:7)
And there is much more to the inheritance you have been freely given by God through you faith in Christ. Your sin may be an issue with those people you have an issue with, but your sin is not an issue between you and God. And neither is your salvation an issue. You have eternal life. Trust the Lord to guide you on how to deal with those you have a problem with. Your circumstances are not a reflection of God's love for you, how He feels about you or the status of your salvation. Feelings are flesh and flesh and blood is corrupted and will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Don't listen to it. I hope this helps.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 3:40:42 PM
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Your behavior didn't get you saved and it doesn't cost you your salvation. I certainly hope you don't mean that once we are saved we may behave any way we like without regards to our salvation. That would be a very dangerous attitude to live by!
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 3:57:31 PM
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Your behavior didn't get you saved and it doesn't cost you your salvation. I certainly hope you don't mean that once we are saved we may behave any way we like without regards to our salvation. That would be a very dangerous attitude to live by!
I agree. But the point still remains
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. -Ephesians 2:8
Some think that the salvation started by grace through faith must be kept by works. That is not only a dangerous attitude, but a very sad and frustrating one.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 4:48:48 PM
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drmark
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Some think that the salvation started by grace through faith must be kept by works. That is not only a dangerous attitude, but a very sad and frustrating one. Then some think wrongly. Salvation is always kept by grace but we do indeed have the free choice to thwart that grace. Persistent sinning and willful disobedience will eventually thwart God's grace!
BTW, I find nothing sad or frustrating about the works I perform, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 5:33:52 PM
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Eutychus
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BTW, I find nothing sad or frustrating about the works I perform, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit.
You would - or should - if you thought they kept your salvation. That would be the doctrine of the Pharisees, never knowing, always comparing yourself to others...
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Persistent sinning and willful disobedience will eventually thwart God's grace!
Persistent sinning and willful disobedience, according to scripture, brings God's chastisement on His children. If it is absent, scripture says the person isn't His.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 7:17:35 PM
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cansecret
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That is indeed true, that I feel that my sin is separating me from God and that he can't hear me because of this and I don't deserve to be heard. I feel he cannot indeed love me in return and I have wondered why in the past year he hasn't heard me in asking me to be a helpmate to my husband. I have wronged my husband terribly in the past year by keeping secrets from him and I feel that I have sinned against him as well. I am mean for the most part when I am home, because I am constantly reminded of my sins. When I can escape with a few friends for awhile I can be free. Also, I have prayed for God to help my love walk, and I don't feel that he's helped me in that area either. Finances are overwhelming right now, but I know it is because we haven't been in church in a few weeks and have missed paying our tithes. I know that God will be faithful when we are indeed faithful in that area. Can God really love this sinner?
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 8:44:59 PM
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I certainly hope you don't mean that once we are saved we may behave any way we like without regards to our salvation. That would be a very dangerous attitude to live by!
No, I don't mean that, but we are free. What I am saying is that our sins do not separate us from God. The issue is what is your motivation as a Christian? Is it responding to the indwelling Holy Spirit and all you have been given as an inheritance, or is it going to be motivated by futile attempts to obtain what you already have been given by trying to be obedient to laws and doctrines designed to modify your behavior?
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/14/2009 8:52:08 PM
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That is indeed true, that I feel that my sin is separating me from God and that he can't hear me because of this and I don't deserve to be heard.
If this is the case your are believing something about God that is not true. God is faithful, not you (1 Corinthians 1:9). You have been alienated in your mind from God because of what you believe, but you have not been separated from Him. He hears you, but because you believe your sins are still separating you from Him you are unable to experience His love. If you continue in this belief you will never be at rest or peace and will not be able to approach Him in confidence. Did Jesus take away all your sins or not? Your issue is not with God it is with your husband. You stand forgiven by God. There is nothing you can do to get more forgiveness. If there were than Jesus died for nothing and His sacrifice was not final and propitiating. Until you are reconciled to God you will never be at peace. And this will effect every aspect of your life because you will be living in fear. And fear casts out perfect love because you still believe your sins are an issue between you and Him.
Be reconciled.
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/17/2009 1:08:35 AM
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That is indeed true, that I feel that my sin is separating me from God and that he can't hear me because of this and I don't deserve to be heard. I feel he cannot indeed love me in return and I have wondered why in the past year he hasn't heard me in asking me to be a helpmate to my husband. I have wronged my husband terribly in the past year by keeping secrets from him and I feel that I have sinned against him as well. I am mean for the most part when I am home, because I am constantly reminded of my sins. When I can escape with a few friends for awhile I can be free. Also, I have prayed for God to help my love walk, and I don't feel that he's helped me in that area either. Finances are overwhelming right now, but I know it is because we haven't been in church in a few weeks and have missed paying our tithes. I know that God will be faithful when we are indeed faithful in that area. Can God really love this sinner?
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Cansecrat, sound like you have a problem no different than all the rest of us on this board who have by faith believed, and confessed and professed Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and yet refuse for some time to give up our old nature on the outside. God has done His work inwardly in us through His Holy Spirit who separated us unto Himself because of our belief and faith in His Son. Yet, for some of us, we still have not settled the old matter of our outward behavior to rid ourselves of our sins, we know exist.
Yes, God does say, sin does separate us from Him, but God's word lets us know that, now that you have been saved and washed by the blood and you are now a child of God, you have some rights or should I say, privileges as being His child (daughter)... "There is therefore now(at this very moment) no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but walk according to the Holy Spirit.... But do we continue to sin so that grace might abound? God forbid! Therefore, you are no longer in debt to obey your flesh, to live as though you do not know Jesus Christ, but you are in debt to live according to the influence and control of the Holy Spirit who lives inside of you." (Romans chapter 8)
Cansecrate, you have need to do as others have stated, and as your screen name CONSECRATE reflects, Consecrate yourself totally to God by giving up those sins you know are displeasing to Him. God consecrates (changes) us on the inside, but we must determine in our own hearts and minds to consecrate(change) ourselves on the outside, and commit to Christ. Sure it takes work, and you know why? Because sin is fun... if sin wasn't fun, none of us would have stayed sinners as long as we did before changing and turning our lives around to receive Christ and serve God.
Paul says it this way, "We know that the law is spiritual and holy, but I am carnal sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. Because what I desire to do, this I do not practice, but instead, what I hate, this is what I do. If, then, I do what I will or desire not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that lives in me, because I know that in me (that is in my flesh) nothing good lives, for to will or desire to do good is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.... For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man (new nature). But I see another law in my members warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.... BUT GOD! (Romans chapter 7)...
You've gotten some great counsel on this thread... and what I'm hearing from you is that you have not committed yourself to the control of the Holy Spirit as many have stated. And since you haven't done the first things first toward God, how can you expect to commit yourself to your husband as God has so commanded the wife is to do?... Your salvation isn't lost, of course, you recognize you are in sin, becaue God has shown you that you are. And its because you just refuse to commit to God, and when you do this, this will lead you to commit to your husband totally in submission, as the wife is exhorted to do as unto to Christ as her head covering. Submit to Christ as being over you first, submitting to your husband will fall into place without a thought. (Ephesians chapter 5)
SPIRITUAL NOTE: A sinner is saved and becomes a born again Christians. But a real Christian who sins, cannot not be called a sinner. Because God only chastens those who belong to Him and are His sons and daughter when they do sin... Therefore, repent before God, and strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather healed.(Hebrews chapter 12)
If you know to do right and you do not do it, this too is sin... so do the right thing! Submit and commit!... keep it moving toward the goal in Christ Jesus! 
BTW, tithing or not to tithe is not a requirement of God under the rule of Jesus Christ, and has nothing to do with God punishing you becasue you haven't given your tithe offering for a while, nor is it a sin not to tithe. But it sure is a great saving account that comes forth with much interest when needed. 
All Christians are to make repentance of all things a daily affair...
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/17/2009 9:07:57 AM
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drmark
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But a real Christian who sins, cannot not be called a sinner. Because God only chastens those who belong to Him and are His sons and daughter when they do sin... Please clarify this, Etoo. Are you saying that real Christians cannot commit real sins or that God does not call sin real sin in real Christians? Or something else which I'm totally missing?
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RE: Lost my salvation - 1/19/2009 9:25:14 AM
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kmangel
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I have wronged my husband terribly in the past year by keeping secrets from him and I feel that I have sinned against him as well.
First of all, God has not turned His back on you, nor has He taken away your salvation. You are experiencing the consequences of the choices you have made in your life and those consequences are not pleasant.
You've got a lot to sort out in your relationship with your husband. I've included here a website that I think can help you. Honesty is crucial in any relationship and if you want to put any of this behind you, that is the place to start.
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi3900_honesty.html
I really like this website. I think it is good in how it guides people. One thing, though, is that counseling would be helpful for you, too. Start with yourself. Get help so you have someone helping you formulate how to come clean to your husband and put your marriage back on the right path.
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Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.
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