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If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of going to hell, is this enough for salvation?
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If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of going to hell, is this enough for salvation?
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If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of goi... - 1/24/2009 1:50:54 PM
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OleFitzHi
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If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of going to hell, is this enough for salvation?
On the one hand, I am thinking that there must be more. It might be a good beginning, but it must develop into a love relationship with the Father and the Son.
On the other hand, I am thinking that this is adding to what is needed for salvation and could prove to be an obstacle for some.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/24/2009 3:52:32 PM
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If a person truly turns to Christ I'm not so sure that their motivation is all that important. The main this is they tuned to Christ.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/25/2009 7:56:01 AM
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If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of going to hell, is this enough for salvation? How would "turning to Christ" allay a "fear of going to hell"?
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/25/2009 9:35:30 AM
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If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of going to hell, is this enough for salvation? How would "turning to Christ" allay a "fear of going to hell"?
I'm not sure I follow your question. I will assume it is due to me.
Since Christ is the only one who can deliver from the penalty of sin, appealing to Him would deliver from hell. That's assuming that "turning to Christ" is synonymous with "turning to God." Doing so would involve fulfilling all of the requirements requirements for "getting saved."
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/25/2009 5:46:17 PM
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drmark
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Well, Larry, it's okay 'cause I get my threads mixed up too, sometimes. 
Actually, the question was for gd46, since you have not posted on this discussion until now. But your answer comes close to what I was looking for. If someone truly believes that "turning to Christ" will keep them from Hell by removing the penalty of their personal sin, then I would agree they are saved regardless of their "selfish" motive.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/25/2009 6:41:48 PM
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I believe it is enough, however you do not get a true sense of God's grace, love and mecy if you are only guilted into salvation though.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/26/2009 12:00:55 PM
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There are many instances in scripture where people turned to Christ from fear of impending wrath. We can't love Christ until God puts his love in our hearts. The Gospel in itself is a very serious message. Very similiar to Noah telling people to get on the Ark or you're going to get drowned in God's wrath. The message today is God loves you and his Son had to pay the penalty for our sins. "He that believeth not is condemend CONDEMNED ALREADY". Strong words.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/26/2009 4:27:21 PM
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I think that this would only work for case like the thief on the cross. There was not much time between initial salvation and death on this earth. The more time that expires between initial salvation and natural death, no providing he does not grow in the Lord.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/27/2009 12:17:16 AM
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I think if you turn to Jesus just because you don't want to go to hell is not enough. It sounds hypocritical to me.
I'm facing that delema right now. I want to believe in God. I was raised to. But I am wondering, do I keep looking that way and giving weak attempts because I am afraid of doing the wrong thing, because I am afraid of eternal damnation.
Good intentions are just that. They aren't meant to do anything except make yourself feel better. If I were to die right this second, I don't think I'd go to heaven. And that scares me.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/27/2009 8:34:16 AM
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I'm facing that delema right now. I want to believe in God. I was raised to. But I am wondering, do I keep looking that way and giving weak attempts because I am afraid of doing the wrong thing, because I am afraid of eternal damnation. So what's holding you back, jlynn? This is not about your "weak attempts", is it? How can believing in the Only God who can keep you from eternal damnation be the wrong thing? Do you understand that God wants you to be saved - 2 Peter 3:9. Is He wrong about where your soul should go?
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If I were to die right this second, I don't think I'd go to heaven. And that scares me. But it does not scare you enough to turn to Jesus, Who is the Only One able to save you. Does that sound hypocritical?
I'm sure by the time you return to this thread you will have many people praying for you, jlynn. God bless!
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/27/2009 10:51:31 AM
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Whatever your reason, for comming to Christ he recieves you. He promised in his word that h/she who comes to him he will in no wise cast out. He loves us and knows our frailties. being afraid to go to hell is a good reason to come to Jesus
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/27/2009 10:58:17 AM
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Any reason is a good reason to come to Christ. The scriptures say unless the Father draw you you cannot come to him. If you are thinking of comming to him Just come. He is calling to you, or you would not be thinking of commind. The spirit, and the bride say come. They are not asking you why they just say come. His love will cast out all fear. Just come
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/27/2009 11:41:38 AM
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Truly coming to Christ as fire insurance I believe is genuine and will grow.
However, reciting a sinners prayer as fire insurance and then leaving it at that is not. As a kid I used to think "If all it takes is saying a sinners prayer then why don't we go out and force everyone to recite the words and get everyone saved like that." Obviously that's not how it works.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/27/2009 1:22:12 PM
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Turning away from hell is a part of the truth of the gospel. Its only part. People will go to hell for turning away from hell to Jesus....yes it sound contradictory but its not.
What Im saying is, people do many things to 'turn away from going to hell' by doing religious work, joining a christian church, believing about Jesus to some extent. None of these are 'being born of God' and repenting ''coming to Christ".
Why do you think religion has the aspect of 'doing good works' to please God? Because the conscience knows it has offended God in some way and religion is a way of 'abating' the negative life once lived. It is called a 'turning away from hell'....but it cannot be called synonymously a 'turning to Christ'.
The doctrine of eternal punishment can and has been, mishandled so that it has not been a pointer to Jesus Christ and the forgiveness obtained on the cross, but an end in itself and therefore supplant the gospel call to faith and belief in Jesus Christ as "Lord and Savior".
Now, when the gospel message is presented and the warnings of eternal punishment have been presented, they are a means to the end, that end being a clearer picture that God is holy and sin cannot dwell with Him.
God calls us to himself but barres the door with his demand for holiness.
God calls us to be warned about eternal judgment and the horrifying penalty for sins but will not accept us simply to escape punishment.
God calls us to Christ and the redeemer of men and the acceptable sacrifice to God so as to remove the wrath of God that will fall upon us, yet God will not allow Christ to be the 'means to an end'. Christ is the end, the goal of the warning message.
Duplicity of heart within the sinful heart of men will lock a mans soul to the wrath of God even while he pretends to turn away from sin and hell.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/27/2009 4:45:19 PM
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The immediate 'reason' isn't important but the fact one claims for himself Christ Jesus' sacrifice and obedience thus His Victory is. It's not the avenue whereby the decision made for there is many 'paths' but there's only one vehicle whereby a soul is saved, Christ Jesus the Righteous.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/28/2009 4:21:44 PM
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If fear was unacceptable, a whole bunch of 'Fire & Brimstone' preachers wasted their breath, because they were lying to the flock, and leading them to perdition, and a whole bunch of souls found out that they followed a blind man into the ditch.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/28/2009 4:50:35 PM
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Any person, not raised from birth in a Christian home, who says they started looking to accept Jesus, for any reason other than fear of hell, is, more than likely, a liar, or masochist. Liars cannot be explained. Masochist's, on the other hand, can: Picture a person, who is so bored with their, wonderful, fun, thrilling, sin filled life, that they actively go out and search for that one being whom they can love; The one being who will require the forfeiture of all them there 'fun' things in life, for the unseeable security and promise of better things in the distant future, after death, based only upon His word. The person who looks for that, I feel, qualifies for Masochist of eternity. Ha!
We all begin our search based on the possibility of Hell, and desire of escaping Hell. We find, accept, and fall in Love with our Savior, Jesus; and tend to forget the fear that drove us to seek Him. Oh, but, our 'fear' of Hell stays with us, only we are fearful, for others now, who have not yet started their seeking, or have made wrong choices. Fear of Hell need must travel through our mortal existence. Only the incentive to fear changes, from self to others.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and fear. Arley
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/28/2009 5:07:22 PM
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Any person, not raised from birth in a Christian home, who says they started looking to accept Jesus, for any reason other than fear of hell, is, more than likely, a liar, or masochist.
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We all begin our search based on the possibility of Hell, and desire of escaping Hell. These are grossly inaccurate over-generalizations, navyblueret! I know dozens of people in my own church of 150 who came to the Lord because the Love of Christ displayed in a relative, friend, coworker, or fellow student. Fear of hell was the last thing on their mind when they accepted an invitation to church, or a Christian concert, or some outreach event where the Gospel was effectively preached. Indeed, I find your cynicism reflects a poor appreciation of the value of personal evangelism through Christlike witness!
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/28/2009 6:19:51 PM
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drmark, Shalom.
I'm sorry you didn't catch the humor in which I presented my approach to the subject of 'Fear' enticing people to seek Christ. Your last sentence does not bode well your Christianity, my friend.
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RE: If a person turns to Christ simply out of a fear of... - 1/28/2009 7:16:11 PM
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drmark
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I'm sorry you didn't catch the humor in which I presented my approach to the subject of 'Fear' enticing people to seek Christ. I'm sorry you think evangelism is humorous. My Christianity is based on the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit, not my writing ability. God bless you, nbr.
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