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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 3:33:44 PM
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ncgrlnhisgrip
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I'm going to get me a big billboard one day that says, "Jeanie is a Republican."
She already loves me so much...
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 3:34:26 PM
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*sigh* whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Our country by and large does not believe in personal responsibility, and it's pervasive from corporate law to personal choices.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 3:39:55 PM
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ncgrlnhisgrip
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How about, "I'll show you my papers if you'll show me yours"?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 3:40:20 PM
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I don't believe the parents should be prosecuted, they should be allowed to grieve.
They shouldn't be prosecuted even though they could've saved their child and didn't?
Yes. They should go home and cry.
Would you pay for your teenage daughter's abortion if her life were endangered? If you would choose not to (or if you didn't know she could die) and she died, should YOU be prosecuted for that? (hypothetical "You" there)
Doesn't this go back to Kicka #4 where it was similarly posed (not a direct quote, but the concept):
Would you shoot and kill someone trying to harm your child? If you killed someone's child as they tried to harm yours, should YOU be prosecuted?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 3:41:18 PM
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How about, "I'll show you my papers if you'll show me yours"?
Only if you happen to live in France and you're made to by the policeforce.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 3:42:59 PM
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Would you pay for your teenage daughter's abortion if her life were endangered? If you would choose not to and she died, should YOU be prosecuted for that? (hypothetical "You" there)
Absolutely not...because there are no certainties (I'd like just one time for a pro-abortion advocate to actually give me a real example where it is a CERTANTY that I or my hypothetically pregnant daughter would die if we were to carry to term). And if I didn't I would most likely be prosecuted in some form...because the government doesn't view abortion as murder...
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 4:02:46 PM
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Would you pay for your teenage daughter's abortion if her life were endangered?
Yup. It would be a hard and carefully made decision, but I would support an abortion to save a mother's life, and I won't apologize for that. A tubal pregnancy would be a good example.
But I do understand the point you are trying to make. I don't think parents should be allowed to stand in the way of a medical procedure that would save a minor's life. Sorry, that's just my opinion.
Did you ladies here about the Consumer Protection Act? It's now hit the libraries, and the librarian who does storytime here had to pull all of her props, until they are tested for lead and other toxins. The children's library itself almost had to close because the books had not been tested for lead, but they got a 1 year reprieve only for the books. Her storytime stuff had to go for the time being.
I'm gonna have to go, as my kids need me right now.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 4:08:25 PM
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Did you ladies here about the Consumer Protection Act? It's now hit the libraries, and the librarian who does storytime here had to pull all of her props, until they are tested for lead and other toxins. The children's library itself almost had to close because the books had not been tested for lead, but they got a 1 year reprieve only for the books. Her storytime stuff had to go for the time being.
The CPSIA is such a huge load of doodoo. However, it shouldn't effect your librarians props as it's not effecting anything that is second hand or resale. As far as I know(and it does effect me because I sell children's things) it's only effecting the sale of items, not so much those that are already purchased.
On top of that, there was a one year stay on testing granted at the end of January. So nothing is being enforced until 2010.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 4:16:42 PM
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Clark Howard was talking about it- I bet you could get details on his past shows at his website. He gave all the details.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 4:18:40 PM
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But I do understand the point you are trying to make. I don't think parents should be allowed to stand in the way of a medical procedure that would save a minor's life. Sorry, that's just my opinion.
You are totally entitled to your opinion, of course!
What about the recent example here on CW where a baby was in the NICU for months and was ready to go home but had one more little milestone to meet. Someone here said to the mom something about "I'm not suggesting it but you could sign the baby out against medical advice (AMA)." (This woman wasn't saying to do that, just that it is an option.
The NICU-baby's mom said that they had already been told that if they tried to take THEIR OWN BABY from the NICU that Child Protective Services would be called.
If your child was well and, say, you were just waiting for the doctor to come and sign off on it but you were ready to go home, would you take your child and go? Who owns your child -- you or the hospital? When you enter the hospital do you surrender your parenthood at the door?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 4:23:17 PM
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The CPSIA is such a huge load of doodoo.
I kind of laughed because I am really very tired of all the crafty blogs I read and seeing every little "softie toy" sold for 85 bucks.
Well, there you go.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 4:25:03 PM
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If your child was well and, say, you were just waiting for the doctor to come and sign off on it but you were ready to go home, would you take your child and go? Who owns your child -- you or the hospital? When you enter the hospital do you surrender your parenthood at the door?
Lots and lots of people would say the hospital/doctors...I of course, disagree. But then again, I denied the blood sugar tests for Jael because I *knew* that they were unnecessary after she was born. The ped. that came in after I'd made it clear that she wasn't having those tests (I've got GD) scowled at me and I'm sure thought I was a nut and unfit. But you know what? I work darned hard throughout each of my pregnancies so that *my* sugars are normal and regulated so that my child in utero is in a safe and 'normal' enviornment. Thankfully CPS wasn't called on me... *sigh*
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Yup. It would be a hard and carefully made decision, but I would support an abortion to save a mother's life
Actually...you've already made the decision. But what if Elizabeth didn't want the abortion?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 4:36:56 PM
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The CPSIA is such a huge load of doodoo.
I kind of laughed because I am really very tired of all the crafty blogs I read and seeing every little "softie toy" sold for 85 bucks.
Well, there you go.
Oh, you should see what they would cost with all the required testing. The baby carriers I make involve at least 6 components, each of those would have to be tested for lead and phalates to the tune of about $375 PER COMPONENT. Yeah, definitely not worth anyone's time or money at that point.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 5:01:19 PM
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TToes, you know I love you, girl, but do you want me locked up in jail if I let my kid ride his bike up and down our driveway (which is long) or on our sidewalk without a bike helmet? My kid isn't old enough to even ride a bike so this is all hypothetical, but do we need to build a special jail or prison just for parents whose kids ride without helmets
Now where did I say anything about you being locked up in jail? Punishment does not always mean a prison sentence.
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And yeah, that does happen, and people have been here in the forums and told us stories about the baby getting hugged by kitty or sleeping with Fluffy or licked by Moose the Dog.
Yep ~ I have read them too... and I think it's bad. I do believe that kids and animals can mix, but I don't believe that animals need to wash the baby!
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Absolutely there are terrible parents out there but are the non-bike-helmet people the ones to go after? Agapetos wants them prosecuted. PROSECUTED!
Yep if that is the law, just as I want people who think it's ok to drink and drive prosecuted and just as I want people who think it's ok to speed prosecuted.
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Isn't it the job FIRST AND FOREMOST of the PARENT to protect the child?
Absolutely ~ so why don't parents use a bit of common sense and have their kids wear a bike helmet whether it is the law or not?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 5:05:02 PM
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Yep ~ I have read them too... and I think it's bad. I do believe that kids and animals can mix, but I don't believe that animals need to wash the baby!
Gabby(my DD, 18 months) has been licked more times then I can count by my IL's dog. She's also "shared" her pacifier with him. In addition to that she has licked more things then I care to share, which include the freezer doors at the grocery store, the bottom of the toilet, the treadmill band, and a bazillion others. Honestly, I would worry more about the freezer doors at the grocery store then I do about her sharing her pacifier with the dog.
Some things are worth worrying about and others just aren't.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 5:15:49 PM
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Yup. It would be a hard and carefully made decision, but I would support an abortion to save a mother's life
Actually...you've already made the decision. But what if Elizabeth didn't want the abortion?
Mmm, by that point she'd be a minor I assume but a fairly old one? I can't see myself forcing her to do it, and I think the doctors couldn't either. A minor can make their own medical decisions when the minor becomes pregnant. I'd have to look up the letter of the law, but when I filled out medical forms for Nathan and Beth's birth they had language to that effect.
A minor female basically become legally able to make her own medical choices as it relates to her pregnancy. I don't see the docs forcing an abortion, honestly. In a tubal pregnancy I'd probably lock her in the hospital and try to work out a compromise with the docs.
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If your child was well and, say, you were just waiting for the doctor to come and sign off on it but you were ready to go home, would you take your child and go?
Parents are not usually doctors. They can't make the decision that their child is well. And honestly, if a parent can't wait a little while for a doc to sign off, what business do they have being parents if they have that little patience. This is an innocent baby we're talking about here.
I've seen the advice here to deliberately refuse to feed a baby with a bottle and only offer the breast because "a baby won't starve itself". OH YES THEY WILL! I've known babies who would.
A parent may have the best of intentions, but in their ignorance may visit great harm on their child. In certain cases a doctor may need to step in. Children should not suffer for the beliefs of their parents.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 5:43:10 PM
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I've seen the advice here to deliberately refuse to feed a baby with a bottle and only offer the breast because "a baby won't starve itself". OH YES THEY WILL! I've known babies who would.
Yes, and I have seen advice on here routinely for a married woman saying something as benign as "I have a blister on my index finger" and 15 people rushing to tell her "Have you bought a test yet? You must be pregnant -- that was my first symptom, too!" (Only to find out she really did have just a blistered finger.)
So yeah, I get it. We're not all doctors and surgeons, but I'm not going to assume my doctor is gold, either, just because they are "a doctor" either. I used to hang out with a guy who has since become a doctor. I'm not sure he's a rocket scientist, but he was a good man.
On the other hand, I fell and injured myself over 12 years ago and for the life of me no doctor I have been to (and there have been many) can give me a diagnosis on the resulting arm pain. So I don't put my full weight in their every utterance.
How many people here have guffawed and cried "Get a new doctor!" every time a woman here had a minor complaint about their treatment at the doctor's office? Do we think they're the be-all/end-all or don't we?
And "Against Medical Advice" - I think your key word there is ADVICE.
I have never seen a medical form (though my kid has only been to the doctor one time at 8 days old) that said "While you're here, we own your kid. Initial here."
If there were, I would turn on my heels and be gone in a flash -- with my kid.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 5:46:48 PM
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Gabby(my DD, 18 months) has been licked more times then I can count by my IL's dog. She's also "shared" her pacifier with him.
Some people could call that negligent. You don't, but some could. (lock your doors and hide the baby, Ryanne!) 
Meh. Good thing I'm the one accountable for how she's raised then, eh?
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