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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:02:01 PM
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:08:34 PM
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Very true. I actually lived in fear of CPS when Gabby was younger because of her FTT. Some people(on here and IRL) told me to just stop taking her to her weekly weight checks but I was afraid if I did that they would take her from me. I have no doubt her old pediatrician would have called CPS on me...
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:09:47 PM
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Parents are not usually doctors. They can't make the decision that their child is well.
Doctors don't always know either. For example, one of my children was having respiratory distress symptoms (asthma - like problems); I took the child to the doctor who decided that it was pneumonia and prescribed antibiotics after I talked to him and told him my experiences with this type of symptoms. He ignored what I said, and told me that he was the doctor and had the educational background that I didn't. Well, we ended up in the ER later that night, and the child was diagnosed as having respiratory distress. The child did not have pneumonia and was prescribed unnecessary antibiotics.
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I actually lived in fear of CPS when Gabby was younger because of her FTT. Some people(on here and IRL) told me to just stop taking her to her weekly weight checks but I was afraid if I did that they would take her from me. I have no doubt her old pediatrician would have called CPS on me...
(((((Ryanne))))) Me, too. It is a pretty scary thing to go through.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:11:52 PM
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Okay, so I was thinking about this some more....
When you go to a hospital, you are PAYING for a SERVICE. Just like if I go to Chipotle' and I order a chicken bowl with black beans and corn salsa. I pay them money, they give me my food.
So when you go into the hospital with your child you're asking them "Can you help me with this problem? I will pay you to help me with it."
Example: when we had our son we went to the hospital, they performed services to help deliver him, we took him home, we got a bill a few weeks later, we wrote out a check and paid for the bill. (And behind-the-scenes the medical insurance we also pay for monthly picked up another portion of the bill.)
They didn't do any work on me for free. They didn't care for my son for free. We paid for the service.
Just like when I go into Chipotle' and I order my chicken bowl. I don't want them to give me carnitas hard shell tacos. I am paying for the chicken bowl. I don't look at my Chipotle' food provider as the food god and I sure don't look at my medical provider as a medical god, though I am very thankful for both the services of Chipotle' and for the hospital.
I think it's important to remember that many, many of us are paying outright (writing checks) to pay for our medical services as well as having other monies deducted from our paychecks to pay for our medical insurance that picks up some of the tab, too. Nothing is free for many of us.
No wonder I don't want to check my parental ownership at the door. Why would I? I'm paying that doctor for whatever they are doing.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:17:27 PM
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Parents are not usually doctors. They can't make the decision that their child is well.
Doctors don't always know either. For example, one of my children was having respiratory distress symptoms (asthma - like problems); I took the child to the doctor who decided that it was pneumonia and prescribed antibiotics after I talked to him and told him my experiences with this type of symptoms. He ignored what I said, and told me that he was the doctor and had the educational background that I didn't. Well, we ended up in the ER later that night, and the child was diagnosed as having respiratory distress. The child did not have pneumonia and was prescribed unnecessary antibiotics.
But your child is okay, Myka?
My mom...same thing. She had just had her SEVENTH baby. Her biggest baby (he was 7.5 pounds) and he immediately lost a bunch of weight. He had been born a month early and was starting to look like a shar pei puppy he was so wrinkly from his long, skinny frame and losing his weight. I think he got down to just under 5 pounds. She brought him to the doctor (her family doctor we had all been to, delivered all of us to that point) and kept saying "Something's wrong. He's not doing well. He's getting so thin."
This was her SEVENTH baby. And I will tell you this much: my mother was BORN to be a mother and is the best mother by character as well as instinct that I know. So if anybody knows about babies, it's my mom.
And the doctor poo-pooed her and actually told my mom "Oh, he's FINE. You're just a worried new mom. Take him home and don't worry about it." (He hadn't gotten down to 5 pounds yet.)
But my mom KNEW something was wrong.....and sure enough, he ended up back in the hospital and put under the lights, wasn't done cooking apparently. She knew that all along but the doctor told this mother-of-seven that she was just being a dramatic new mom.
Oh brother. 
He's lucky my mom is such a gentle person. I know women here on this forum that would have likely smacked the guy!
Edited to fix bad spelling error!!
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:24:07 PM
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I posted this early and didn't see any responses... I'm curious what others think though...quote:
We've been very focused on the child being the accident victim, but there may well be other victim/s. What happens if a child rides down a road and causes an accident. How would you feel if you were driving in a safe and responsible way and because some child wasn't riding their bike sensibly or wearing a helmet, you caused them serious injury/death? A child that may not be dead (or even seriously injured) if they had been wearing a helmet.
I know how I'd feel... and it wouldn't be good... and it wouldn't be something that I'd want to live with... and I wouldn't want to be in that situation even if the child was actually fine
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I'm paying that doctor for whatever they are doing. Well initially, you're paying the doctor for their training, not what they do. You may not be given the treatment you want (even in today's society too many people take themselves or their children off to to the doctors and expect to be given antibiotics for a virul infection and often kick up a fuss when it's denied). Naturally, you're also paying for the doctor's insurance so when someone sues because the didn't get the treatment they wanted (regardless of whether they needed it) they're covered.
I always find it curious that so many people criticise the NHS but I've had very few complaints about any of the doctors I've seen whereas so many Americans, who have health insurance have problems. Not saying that the NHS is perfect and the US system is a mess but it's interesting...
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:28:10 PM
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Yes, the child is okay -- I also didn't give her the antibiotics... I have other stories about doctors, too.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:29:40 PM
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"I'm paying that doctor for whatever they are doing."
Well initially, you're paying the doctor for their training, not what they do. You may not be given the treatment you want (even in today's society too many people take themselves or their children off to to the doctors and expect to be given antibiotics for a virul infection and often kick up a fuss when it's denied). Naturally, you're also paying for the doctor's insurance so when someone sues because the didn't get the treatment they wanted (regardless of whether they needed it) they're covered.
No, I did pay for what they did. I paid for his circumcision procedure. I paid for the time in the operating room. I paid for the bandages. I paid for it. It's on the bill.
Myka, I am glad your child is okay!
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:34:06 PM
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I posted this early and didn't see any responses... I'm curious what others think though...We've been very focused on the child being the accident victim, but there may well be other victim/s. What happens if a child rides down a road and causes an accident. How would you feel if you were driving in a safe and responsible way and because some child wasn't riding their bike sensibly or wearing a helmet, you caused them serious injury/death? A child that may not be dead (or even seriously injured) if they had been wearing a helmet.
I responded. Or I thought I did.
Are we saying that kids that wear bike helmets ARE BETTER BIKERS?
Is it BETTER if a kid wearing a helmet rides into your car and causes an accident and injuries to you? "Well, my wife died when that kid biked into our car but it's okay because he had a helmet on."
I just don't think it improves biking skills.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:40:29 PM
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...Too many people take themselves or their children off to to the doctors and expect to be given antibiotics for a viral infection and often kick up a fuss when it's denied
Yeah, I see that happen a lot. I think it's strange, but I figure some people think an antibiotic should work for a virus.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:43:52 PM
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I just don't think it improves biking skills. Did I say it did? Biking skills are a whole different ball game. Here kids have really good classes to learn bike skills ~ which goes from proper mainainence of the bike/equipment (including helmets) to road safety.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:47:16 PM
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...Too many people take themselves or their children off to to the doctors and expect to be given antibiotics for a viral infection and often kick up a fuss when it's denied
Yeah, I see that happen a lot. I think it's strange, but I figure some people think an antibiotic should work for a virus.
I get blocked ears a lot and I've self-prescribed olive oil for them ~ because this is what my doctor suggests, to soften the wax. She knows that I do it when I feel the need and before I get in to see her or the nurse and she's fine with it. I told her that I figured that it may not be the right treatment but it was unlikely to cause harm. She agreed.
I know that there are people who would flip out though that there doctor was telling them to go home and put olive oil in their (or their kids) ears.
It's such a shame that so many have to take the most complicated medication in the world under the assumption that it's the best.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:49:13 PM
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I know that there are people who would flip out though that there doctor was telling them to go home and put olive oil in their (or their kids) ears.
LOL! I drive out of my way to see a doctor who tells me to put EVOO in my kid's ear.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:53:45 PM
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As a child my husband taught himself to ride his bike backwards. He was the talk of the neighborhood, and his old neighbors STILL talk about that to this day.
My husband is also an inline skater (rollerblades) and is very fast as well as very agile. He used to be able to be skating along and jump up on a wall 3 feet off the ground and ride it briefly, then drop back down.
We have photos of him jumping over chaise lounges (spread out the long way) and jumping over friends of his, jumping many feet up into the air.
My husband is an excellent baseball player and a fast runner. He is what you would call "a natural athlete".
Now, I'm not. I don't have two left feet, though, either. I'm pretty decent at hitting a softball or baseball, can usually get on base, not too bad at volleyball....
So I'm pretty confident that my kid won't be the kid who can't walk and dribble the basketball at the same time -- especially if he takes after my husband and my father-in-law.
Just to make sure to address your question: What happens if a child rides down a road and causes an accident. How would you feel if you were driving in a safe and responsible way and because some child wasn't riding their bike sensibly or wearing a helmet, you caused them serious injury/death? A child that may not be dead (or even seriously injured) if they had been wearing a helmet.
If a child rode into my car and the child ended up injured or dead, I would feel terrible BECAUSE IT HAPPENED. Not terrible because the kid didn't have a helmet on. Is it less of a tragedy if a non-helmeted kid dies because they "deserved it"? I know you're not saying that, but it's a tragedy if a child dies in a biking accident.
And there have been plenty of freaky accidents that people have also gotten up and walked away from.
We had a guy here locally who was in a hotel, on the 14th floor, and he went to run to his hotel room before his buddies got there. He didn't see a wall of window and he literally ran right through the window, falling 14 floors.
And was able to walk away from that.
Freaky stuff happens. Helmets or not.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:53:52 PM
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EVOO helps with ear wax? Hmm...
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 6:58:34 PM
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EVOO helps with ear wax? Hmm...
Well it doesn't have to be EVOO. If that's the only kind you have, I wouldn't go out and buy the cheaper stuff ~ it's not like you use a lot. But yes olive oil does help with ear wax ~ it softens it and if your child (or you) ever need ears syringing it can reduce a lot of the discomfort (even pain) that that procedure can cause. Even just using the oil can help disolve the wax so syringing may not be necessary.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 7:15:09 PM
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If a child rode into my car and the child ended up injured or dead, I would feel terrible BECAUSE IT HAPPENED. Not terrible because the kid didn't have a helmet on. Is it less of a tragedy if a non-helmeted kid dies because they "deserved it"? I know you're not saying that, but it's a tragedy if a child dies in a biking accident. I would feel terrible because the accident had happened too. But I would (perhaps ~ I'm not sure that I'd be able to deal with it at all well) feel somewhat less terrible if the child survived (without brain injury) because the parents had bothered to ensure that the child wore a helmet when it was sitting on the bike.
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Freaky stuff happens. Helmets or not. Sure it does... I know of a horse rider who broke his neck in a very similar way to Christopher Reeve. One died, the other competed in Beijing.
I'm not sure if I've missed it, but one of the things that I've picked up from your posts is you resent some law telling you what you should do with regards to things concerning your child. I don't think you've said what you would do if there was no law and it was up to you what you did.
Would you put your son in a car seat each and every time you went out in the car with him (not talking about emergency situations here)?
Will you have him wear a helmet when he learns to ride a bike?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 7:42:31 PM
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Um, it isn't just car/bike accidents that cause injuries that are 'prevented' by helmets. Seriously, some of the things that my dh has told me that he did when he was younger would (and sometimes did) cause injuries.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 7:49:55 PM
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Would you put your son in a car seat each and every time you went out in the car with him (not talking about emergency situations here)?
DD is in a carseat and is currently safer then what the law requires, so yes, she is always in one and will most likely be in one until she is 80lbs.
As for helmets... we are pro helmets whether they are mandated by the government or not...
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 2/11/2009 8:02:37 PM
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And let me just add this, if my son weren't wearing a helmet and he did die in a biking accident, how would that affect any of you, Actually, (speaking for myself) you're wrong...
Firstly I'd have huge feelings for you for your loss. I would not have the words to express how I felt.
Then I'd ensure that friends who had children made sure their kids wore helmets, and why, if they didn't ~ and I'd even offer to take the child and buy one. I bought my sisters oldest kids their helmets and wouldn't let them come on bike rides with me unless they wore them ~ and that was long before there were any laws about it.
As for how it would affect your government. There have been many laws brought into force because of the tragedy of one family and their determination to do something ~ I'm thinking of 'Amber Alerts' and 'Megan's Law' off the top of my head. Just as Donna and Brian intend to do something as a result of Brian's accident (to prevent it happening to others), I do believe that there are things which can be done in the wake of tragedies ~ to change a law and prevent someone else suffering in the same way.
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Nice doctor... I ended up having emergency surgery because my doctor wouldn't listen to me. If she would have listened I could have gone into surgery without it turning into an emergency. I do not trust doctors. They have screwed up too many times with me. 
But I'm also not an idiot. I don't need the government to tell me each and every move to make with regard to my son. 
