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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/28/2009 12:02:44 PM
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Miss Giggles
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He may have been but he never was able to grow up and become an adult. He never got a chance to make any decisions, get help for his mental problems and he certainly could not have hit bottom like a regular addict when every person in the world knew he was and unfortunately greed seems to have taken over all those who were supposed to be in charge. Same thing kinda happened to Britney, her manager was doping her up. Many of the people on this forum should be ashamed of their comments - not you - take a look at the judgemental and self righteous attitudes on the current events folder.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/28/2009 2:22:17 PM
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I didn't know that he was a drug addict. I'd have thought it would have been more widely recorded if it was. I tend not to believe people close to someone who come out of the woodwork after they've died.
As for revering those who abuse anything ~ well quite simply, I don't. But then I don't rever many people in today's world and never have.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/28/2009 3:56:04 PM
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He may have been but he never was able to grow up and become an adult. He never got a chance to make any decisions, get help for his mental problems and he certainly could not have hit bottom like a regular addict when every person in the world knew he was and unfortunately greed seems to have taken over all those who were supposed to be in charge. Same thing kinda happened to Britney, her manager was doping her up. Many of the people on this forum should be ashamed of their comments - not you - take a look at the judgemental and self righteous attitudes on the current events folder.
Yeah, I kind of feel badly that the father (supposedly) said he'd use any means to get out of where they lived, so he used his children.  I think he did need help mentally for everything, and I heard that he did go to rehab for prescription painkillers. Yes, he sinned; I don't know whether he ever did get saved or not; I hope so. But he was still a person, and still influencial and talented (depending on whom you ask). Even if he made his numerous mistakes, he was still a success and inspiration for a lot of people. I think one reason why they talk about him so much is that it was so sudden/unexpected. He didn't have aggressive cancer and wasn't older.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/28/2009 6:03:04 PM
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In the end the addiction or non addiction MJ had is between him and God, and I hope he made his peace with God. we don't know anything of what he was like because its all really gossip. I think he was a very talented artist, he was very influential in the music scene and that is what I respect about it and think a shame that has been lost.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/28/2009 11:59:28 PM
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Are we tired of all the Michael Jackson coverage yet??? I realize he was a the King of Pop, but .. he was also a drug addict, imo. I feel sad for those who were in denial. Why do we insts on revering those who abuse drugs and alchohol simply becuse they're good at what they do?
I just said in another thread that I don't speak ill of the recently deceased and it has been hard for me to refrain from commenting on MJ. One thing I will say is that I am tired of him being compared to Elvis. Other than extreme fame and Lisa Marie, I fail to see any similarities.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 9:50:32 AM
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Gosh you have to put down hair colour. Dumb.
It's not really dumb, it helps when police(and other people who check ID's) are looking for fake ID's. They need as much information to help them as possible especially since DL photos can be so stinking bad and not always a true representation of how one typically looks. Also, not all of our ID's are printed in color, hard to tell a person's hair color when the picture is black and white 
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 5:44:12 PM
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Not a word I use, and I don't like hearing other people use it, although I'm not one to speak up. IMO, at best, it is a demeaning way of referring to a woman. I do use the word "kvetch" pretty often as a verb though, and it essentially means the same thing.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 5:50:35 PM
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I don't like using it or hearing it.
No, it's not ok to use in any context. There are plenty of other words that can be used instead.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 5:56:21 PM
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I don't want them picking up inappropriate language. I think this is an excellent point. If it's not appropriate for children to use, should it be ok for us to use? At what point does it become ok for children (under 18's) to use these words (and similar)?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 7:13:56 PM
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Gosh you have to put down hair colour. Dumb.
It's not really dumb, it helps when police(and other people who check ID's) are looking for fake ID's. They need as much information to help them as possible especially since DL photos can be so stinking bad and not always a true representation of how one typically looks. Also, not all of our ID's are printed in color, hard to tell a person's hair color when the picture is black and white
Yeah but how easy is it to dye your hair for a fake id? I mean, it really doesn't help because there are ways of getting round it.
We only have colour pics here
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 8:21:35 PM
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But also consider the history of DL's, my dear. It's not "easy" to change what's on a DL and I don't think they have always been in color. I know all the DL's I've had have been color but our military ID's are still in black and white. What is listed for info on a DL is state level legislation so while it might seem "dumb" I would much rather my representatives be working on truly pertinent issues then wasting their time on arguing about whether or not hair color should be listed
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 8:53:35 PM
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I don't want them picking up inappropriate language. I think this is an excellent point. If it's not appropriate for children to use, should it be OK for us to use? At what point does it become OK for children (under 18's) to use these words (and similar)?
I do try to refrain from using those words, but I've been known to slip more than once. Is it OK for adults to voluntarily listen to those words when children are around? How many kids hear those words on TV and radio? If the adult in charge is watching or listening to a show that uses that type of language, is that much different than saying the words?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/29/2009 9:08:53 PM
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I don't want them picking up inappropriate language. I think this is an excellent point. If it's not appropriate for children to use, should it be ok for us to use? At what point does it become ok for children (under 18's) to use these words (and similar)?
I know someone (who has quite the potty mouth) who "gives" her children certain curse words at certain ages. IE, at age 11 they are allowed to say X, at 12 they are allowed to say X, etc. I disagree with the idea, but thought that was an interesting way of handling things.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/30/2009 4:49:33 AM
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agapetos
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I know in some cultures that is highly offensive. Yep.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/30/2009 11:00:47 AM
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Not a word I use, and I don't like hearing other people use it, although I'm not one to speak up. IMO, at best, it is a demeaning way of referring to a woman. I do use the word "kvetch" pretty often as a verb though, and it essentially means the same thing.
I use kvetch too. Yiddish is great.
DH and I had a long, philosophical discussion about swearing related to Battlestar Galactica. Their shocking swear word is "frak" (you can guess what it substitutes for). When DH was little and the first BSG show was on, his parents wouldn't let him use the word. On the new show, they've used it a few times in a sexual context which makes it clear that it's the same meaning. It's even starting to creep into culture as an alternate. So, why is one word more offensive to our society than the other? Why is it OK to substitute words that mean the same thing for other "bad" words? Eg darn, heck, etc. I'm not saying we should use the worse words, but what makes the more acceptable words better if they mean the same thing?
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/30/2009 11:20:54 AM
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Not a word I use, and I don't like hearing other people use it, although I'm not one to speak up. IMO, at best, it is a demeaning way of referring to a woman. I do use the word "kvetch" pretty often as a verb though, and it essentially means the same thing.
I use kvetch too. Yiddish is great.
I don't think I've ever heard that word. Then again, I only speak English, some ASL and minimal Spanish.
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RE: Kicka - #5 - 6/30/2009 11:25:47 AM
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Yiddish is tremendously useful.
Did you know that "bagel", "dreck", "klutz", "nosh" and "tush" are yiddish words? I didn't. Here's a list.
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