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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 1:04:14 PM
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rcjames
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RC...this passage from John tells the whole story...it was the day before the High Sabbath, not the normal sabbath.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was a high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Bob
I am not disagreeing with that only that the Sabbath (High Sabbath) had to be on a Saturday for the next morning was the first day of the week; Sunday.
The day of the week that the High Sabbath falls is on various days.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 1:49:41 PM
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Last Supper = Tuesday evening [Abib 13, 4029]
Preparation Day (we call it passover) = Wednesday [Abib 14]
Laid in the grave as the high sabbath was beginning
High Sabbath = Thursday [Abib 15] first day of Unleavened Bread
The women couldn't work on thursday because it was a "feast sabbath"
They got spices and prepared them (not an easy task) = Friday [Abib 16]
Couldn't work = Saturday the weekly Sabbath (or sabbath according to the law)
[Abib 17]
The Lord of the Sabbath was in the grave Wednesday night, Thursday day,
Thursday night, Friday day, Friday night, Saturday day [3 nights & 3 days]
He was in the grave 3 nights and 3 days.
He rose on the third day late on the weekly Sabbath [Abib 17]
The women came during the night after Sabbath and early the first day Sunday.
The tomb was "empty."
These everyone already knows or can look up:
Luke 23:50 ------
John 19:38-20:31
Mark 15:42-16:14
Matt. 27:57-28:15
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 1:59:03 PM
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Lapidoth
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Matt. 28:1 KJV
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward
the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to
to see the sepulchre.
[NASB]
now late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
The "dawning of a new day" is at "twiligt as it is getting dark."
Not the first light in the morning.
The Sabbath (weekly) ended at sundown, and the two Marys came to look
at the gravesite after the Sabbath ended. Jesus had already risen.
He rose on the third day, on the Sabbath. [Abib 17]
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 2:23:38 PM
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Thanks Lapidoth..
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 3:33:19 PM
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rest assured man might be uncertain but God had ordained the day and that is the exact day that the event occurred. And you have chapter and verse for God ordaining a specific Wednesday in ad 30 and that we can know that date for certain?
Greetings
What seems to missing is the moon.... OR what phase was the moon in while Jesus was in Jerusalem before the crucifixion
... as moon goes from light to dark (this is called 'waning') and the opposite is also true called waxing….
And Jesus gives a spiritual reference to this in
The 'waning' Moon =from light… to dark
Joh 3:19 - Show Context
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men “loved darkness “rather than light, ….because their deeds were evil
AND
The Waxing Moon = from dark… to light
Ac 26:18 - Show Context
to open their eyes, in order to turn them “from darkness “to light, ....."and".... from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'
At this time ...the Feasts..., ....New Moons.... and ....Sabbaths.... shall be kept, "all three types" of days, =Ezekiel 45:17. = NO WORK!
The eastern gate of the inner court of the rebuilt (2nd) Temple "will be shut"..... six days,
(Well this occurred when Jesus entered Jerusalem until His death on the cross)
.........the inner court of the rebuilt Temple was shut, because He was with them there in the flesh, ……therefore “the Gates” into the Inner Courts were shut ...
Lu 19:44 - Show Context
and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because "you".... did not know.. the time.. of "your" visitation."
….but opened on the Sabbath ...and.... also.... the New Moon, Ezekiel 46:1.
IMHO What seems to missing is the phase that the moon was in to determine what year Jesus was crucified in....
and if there were 3 days in a row that were to be observed as Sabbaths =(the Feasts..., ....New Moons.... and ....Sabbaths.... shall be kept, "all three types" of days, =Ezekiel 45:17. = NO WORK!)
… perhaps that would explain why the Jewish leaders did not post their own guards at the tomb 2 out of the three days.... but instead the Romans stood guard ALL 3 days 
Ezekiel chapters 40-47 give a prophecy of the re-established Temple during the Millennium, when God brings Israel again out of captivity and puts His Spirit in them, Ezekiel 39:25, 29. The Eternal will then dwell in Jerusalem for ever, Ezekiel 43:9, 48:35. At this time, the Feasts, New Moons and Sabbaths shall be kept, all three types of days, Ezekiel 45:17.
Therefore IF…what was written by Ezekiel is represent of the MK..... then a picture of that ... = A Feast, A New Moon and a Sabbath... ALL had to be present when Jesus was crucified... 
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 4:28:35 PM
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Lapidoth
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The new moon is the beginning of Abib (Nisan)
So the new moon was Abib 1.
Day of death was Abib 14.
Closer to a full moon.
Tabernacles also a full moon.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 4:34:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
The new moon is the beginning of Abib (Nisan)
So the new moon was Abib 1.
Day of death was Abib 14.
Closer to a full moon.
Tabernacles also a full moon.
Lap.. I have been tring to find a lunar calculator .. do you have a link for one??
LG
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 4:36:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
The new moon is the beginning of Abib (Nisan)
So the new moon was Abib 1.
Day of death was Abib 14.
Closer to a full moon.
Tabernacles also a full moon.
Lap.. I have been tring to find a lunar calculator .. do you have a link for one??
LG
Nope. I don't have one.
If I run across one I'll let you know.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 4:39:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
The new moon is the beginning of Abib (Nisan)
So the new moon was Abib 1.
Day of death was Abib 14.
Closer to a full moon.
Tabernacles also a full moon.
Lap.. I have been tring to find a lunar calculator .. do you have a link for one??
LG
Nope. I don't have one.
If I run across one I'll let you know.
...Thanks Lap
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 4:41:04 PM
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Lapidoth
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Allusion to the resurrection?
(Luke 2:46) NASB
And it came about after three days they found Him in the
temple, sitting int he midst of the teachers, both listening to
them and asking questions.
The Feast they went to was the Unleavened Bread.
Jesus disappearing for 3 days a showing of what would later
occur in His life?
It was done at the same Feast, and He did appear to his disciples
who were to be the teachers. He had disappeared for 3 nights
and 3 days from His parents as a 12-year old, and was found AFTER
3 days. In the same way, when crucified, disappeared for 3 nights
and 3 days through death, and was hidden from friends, family,
apostles, and numerous disciples, and then revealed to them after
three days.
Not a dogma, but interesting.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 5:16:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Allusion to the resurrection?
(Luke 2:46) NASB
And it came about after three days they found Him in the
temple, sitting int he midst of the teachers, both listening to
them and asking questions.
The Feast they went to was the Unleavened Bread.
Jesus disappearing for 3 days a showing of what would later
occur in His life?
It was done at the same Feast, and He did appear to his disciples
who were to be the teachers. He had disappeared for 3 nights
and 3 days from His parents as a 12-year old, and was found AFTER
3 days. In the same way, when crucified, disappeared for 3 nights
and 3 days through death, and was hidden from friends, family,
apostles, and numerous disciples, and then revealed to them after
three days.
Not a dogma, but interesting.
Greetings
Very interesting...
He had disappeared for 3 nights
and 3 days from His parents as a 12-year old, and was found AFTER
3 days.
48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, "Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously." 49 And He said to them, "Why did you seek Me? Did you not know..... that I must be about My Father's business?
The difference between His parents finding Him AFTER three days and saying ....
His mother said to Him, "Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously."
AND because she said...(Your father and I have sought You anxiously." )
Jesus saying.... "Did you not know"..... "that I"... must be about My Father's business?
That difference is we do not seek Jesus ... He seeks us .. Therefore… His Father's business ...is that ...He seeks us ...
Lu 4:18= He has “sent” Me ... not...we have sought You
Check this out!!
I just found this here... but its not what I am looking for ...
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/SpringPhenom
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 5:48:24 PM
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Guys I just posted a link for an excellent calendar as well as lunar calculator...here it is.
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=35&country=34
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 7:45:23 PM
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RC, Shalom.
In that week of Passover, we must remember that the first day of Unleavened Bread is also a Sabbath day, no matter the day of the 'seven' it falls on.
As near as I can calculate, Jesus and the twelve, ate Seder Meal on Wed. evening. He was crucified and died aprox. 3PM Thursday (day-1), placed in the tomb just before sunset. Unleavened Bread began Thursday evening (Sabbath-1) until sunset Friday (day-2). Regular Sabbath (-2), began Friday evening through Saturday (Day-3). The Feast of First Fruit began Saturday evening, with First Fruit Wave offering to be at 0900 Sunday morning. Thurs, Fri, Sat, day-times = three days. Thurs, Fri, Sat, evening/nights = three nights.
Jesus had arisen before sunrise Sunday, so Sunday, daytime, can not be counted. Jesus, the First Fruit, could not be touched by Mary, when she saw him at apx 6AM, as he needed to stay pure for the 9AM offering of Himself, before God, with all the 'First' Resurrection group.
Another small consideration is that the Bible says that the Paschal Lamb was brought up to the Temple on the 'First' day of the week (Nissan 10), and must be kept, and watched for four days. After the four days, the High Priest declares: "I find no Fault, in Him," the very same words Pilot stated at the same time (Thursday morning), after the four days. Story line .....through to 'Even,' (apx 3PM) when Jesus dies, immediately after declaring: "It is Finished (Complete)," the exact time the High Priest, on the Temple sacrifices the Pascal Lamb. Sorry, I'm getting too long winded.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
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Guys I just posted a link for an excellent calendar as well as lunar calculator...here it is.
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=35&country=34
Bob
I cant seem to manage the calendar to show the jewish holiday for the year 34... how about on your side ???
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 8:32:46 PM
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None of the current calendars in use today were even thought of then. The closest thing for a calendar then was to say such and such happened in the XX year of YYYY's reign, or the year of the eclipse, or or or. The best we have can only approximate the month/day chronology of that time.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 9:46:35 PM
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LoyalGypsy, Shalom.
Thanks for that, but it is not accurate. Nissan 10 must be on the day we call Sunday (Day-1) to be able to find the proper year. I just checked between 25 through 36 AD (What they made me use was 'CE' but that is wrong IMO).
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/6/2009 10:46:29 PM
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Sorry LG but I think I gave the link to the wrong calendar. Here is the one I've been using.
http://www.shirhadash.org/calendar/hcal.html
Bob
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/7/2009 6:55:19 PM
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Raoul: As for when the crucifixion was, the gospel of John disagrees with the synoptic gospels. According to the synoptic gospels it was on Friday.
Where does it say it was on a Friday raoooul?
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/8/2009 7:24:32 AM
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Raoul: As for when the crucifixion was, the gospel of John disagrees with the synoptic gospels. According to the synoptic gospels it was on Friday.
Where does it say it was on a Friday raoooul?
(Mat 27:62 KJV) Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
(Mar 15:42 KJV) And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
(Luk 23:54 KJV) And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/8/2009 10:27:33 AM
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Hi raoooul...
And Thursday, Nisan 15 was the Passover and was a High Sabbath. The day of preparation was Nisan 14 when Christ was crucified. There is no disagreement between John and the other gospels.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/8/2009 3:56:56 PM
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Nisan (or Nissan) (Hebrew: נִיסָן, Standard Nisan Tiberian Nîsān) is the seventh month (eighth, in leap year) of the civil year and the first month of the ecclesiastical year on the Hebrew calendar. The name of the month is Babylonian; in the Torah it is called the month of the Aviv, referring to a stage in the ripening of barley which occurs during the month. It is a spring month of 30 days. Nisan usually falls in March–April on the Gregorian calendar. In the Book of Esther in the Tanakh it is referred to as Nisan.
From the Wikipedia.
Hi CherishedbyGod,
The word Nisan describes the Jewish month that corresponds with our time period of late March early April. It is the seventh month of the Jewish calendar and the 14 of Nisan is the day of preparation for the feast of Passover that we associate with Easter. The 14th of Nisan was the day that Christ was crucified.
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