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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/26/2009 12:26:55 PM
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And yet where was Iesus born ? The city of David is the city of Jerusalem according to the bible of Iesus.
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(Luk 2:11 KJV) For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
LUKE 2:4 KJV
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth,
into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;
(because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/26/2009 4:07:08 PM
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And yet you can see the quote from the book of Acts that i posted. The very fact that this was written of by a non-Jewish Christian shows just how much the Apostles abided by and revered the teachings of the Rabbis. Just as Iesus abided by and revered the teachings of the Rabbis.
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(Joh 10:22 KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
Luke was not jewish? Also, Yeshua abided by and revered some of the teachings of the Rabbis, like Hannakah, as you have point out. However, there is much rabbinics that He did not accept. Not only did He call out Pharasees and Sadducees regrding some of their rabbincs, but even if He did agree with all Pharasitical rabbinics, He would be disagreeing with some of the rabbinics of the Sadducees. Rabbinics is not a monolithic set of doctrine. It is a common law approach to interrpreting HaTorah that is different depending on which rabbi one chooses to follow.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/26/2009 4:48:18 PM
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LOL.................Kinda like each denomination "using God's Word" as their base,
but can not come to the same conclusions.
I'll take Jesus as Teacher over any other teacher.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/26/2009 6:11:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: raoooul
And yet you can see the quote from the book of Acts that i posted. The very fact that this was written of by a non-Jewish Christian shows just how much the Apostles abided by and revered the teachings of the Rabbis. Just as Iesus abided by and revered the teachings of the Rabbis.
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(Joh 10:22 KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
Luke was not jewish? Also, Yeshua abided by and revered some of the teachings of the Rabbis, like Hannakah, as you have point out. However, there is much rabbinics that He did not accept. Not only did He call out Pharasees and Sadducees regrding some of their rabbincs, but even if He did agree with all Pharasitical rabbinics, He would be disagreeing with some of the rabbinics of the Sadducees. Rabbinics is not a monolithic set of doctrine. It is a common law approach to interrpreting HaTorah that is different depending on which rabbi one chooses to follow.
Greetings Blue...
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It is a common law approach to interrpreting HaTorah that is different depending on which rabbi one chooses to follow.
Let’s take look at the feast itself....
Can you offer up for us what “each day” of Sukkoth represents…. or what the daily celebration consists of...From the first to the last (day)
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/26/2009 7:54:46 PM
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It is a common law approach to interrpreting HaTorah that is different depending on which rabbi one chooses to follow.
Let’s take look at the feast itself....
Can you offer up for us what “each day” of Sukkoth represents…. or what the daily celebration consists of...From the first to the last (day)
LG
We are getting all over the map on the days we are talking about. Sukkot came up as a side issue and there were issues that followed. I hope you do not think Pesach and Sukkot are the same thing or even happen at the same time. In fact, regarding observance they are diametrically opposed on the calander.
What I have determined from my study is that the first day is a holy convocation where we begin living in temporay dwellings and, in the Sabbatical year, the public reading of the entire Torah begins. I believe this is when Yeshua began to "tabernacle" among us in His temporary dwelling.
We spend this and the six following days living in a temporary dwelling, presumably to remind us of the time we spent in the wilderness. Again, in the Sabbatical year The reading of HaTorah continues to its completion.
The last day is another holy convocation and we return to our perminant dwellings at the beginning of that day. I have heard some elusions to a rabbinic purpose, but have not heard one that is definitive. I personally believe it was the day of Yeshua's brit mulah, when He emerged from His mother's sole care to take His place as a recipient of the covenant seperate from His mother.
Apart from that, I am not aware of any other significance.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/27/2009 7:48:21 AM
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I will respond in a new thread as we are off topic.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/29/2009 10:39:18 PM
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Shalom, folks.
It is often typical for Westerners to miss several points in these discussions.
First, it is important that one keep in mind how Jewish time is kept.
Each 24-hour period (often called "a day") begins at sundown with the sighting of the first three stars.
Thus, one must remember that it is "evening and morning" for a 24-hour time period, as in Genesis 1.
Second, one must remember that Jewish "moonths" are indeed lunar cycles, from the first sighting of the "new moon" to the next.
As these are literal sightings, sometimes an overcast evening could throw off the sighting by as much as two days!
Third, one must remember that Jewish years are normally twelve "moonths" of 29 or 30 days, with a leap-"moonth" usually every seventh year.
The leap-"moonth" is Adar I while the normal Adar is then called Adar II.
Fourth, one should remember that the Hebrew word for the first "moonth" is Aviv (not Abib, since the "bet" is actually a "vet" [no dot in the middle of the letter]).
And, yes, that is related to Tel-Aviv. "Aviv" means "green" or "spring," and it is the first month of the Jewish year, as recorded in Scripture. "Nisan" is a name given to it as the children of Yisra'el "escaped as fugitives" from Bavel or Babylon at the end of the captivity.
Fifth, any portion of a unit of time counts as a whole unit of time. Thus, any portion of an evening would count as the whole evening. Any portion of the daylight time ("morning") would be counted as a the whole daylight time. Any portion of a year would be considered a whole year, etc.
Sixth, one is counted as 1 year old at birth!
So, there is an interesting twist that Westerners don't think about in Matthew 12:39-40:
Matt 12:39-40
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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IT'S SAID BACKWARDS to the Jewish mindset! It should have been "three nights and three days!" Therefore, the ORDER IS IMPORTANT IN THIS VERSE! So, because the next day was a Shabbat (a high Shabbat or the Shabbat of a holy day, not the normal seventh day of the week), He had to be entombed BEFORE the full setting of the sun and the sighting of the first three stars. That would be the first day as any portion of the daylight hours would count as the whole daylight hours. (Thursday day time)
The first night was the "evening" of the high Shabbat. (Thursday evening to Friday early morning)
The second day was the "morning" of the high Shabbat. (Friday day time)
The second night was the "evening" of the weekly Shabbat. (Friday evening to Saturday early morning)
The third day was the "morning" (the daylight hours) of the weekly Shabbat. (Saturday day time)
The third night was the "evening" of the first day of the week. (Saturday evening to Sunday early morning)
Yeshua` would have risen anytime during the "evening of the first day of the week" and was gone before the women came to the tomb. Therefore, Yeshua` was put to death on Aviv 14, the day of preparation for the Passover, and therefore we are looking for a year that had Aviv 14 on a Thursday.
I like to use a true date converter rather than a calendar and come up with my own calendar if needed. I use this Hebrew calendar converter.
That's my contribution.
Roy
P.S., The year 3790 in Jewish timekeeping is 30 A.D.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/30/2009 2:00:34 PM
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It is often typical for Westerners to miss several points in these discussions.
Hey!!!!!!! I resemble that!......................ROFL
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IT'S SAID BACKWARDS to the Jewish mindset! It should have been "three nights and three days!"
My study (minion) pal and I wrote a curriculum
trying to help others on "how" to study the Bible.
This was the first order of business of the first chapter.
How things are laid out hebraically.
Jesus spent "3 Nights & 3 Days" in the tomb.
Not "3 Days & 3 Nights." Just that bit changes the whole viewpoint.
And it wasn't Easter as KJ has in Acts............lol.
It's amazing how this subject goes all over the place.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 3/30/2009 2:43:55 PM
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Fifth, any portion of a unit of time counts as a whole unit of time. Thus, any portion of an evening would count as the whole evening. Any portion of the daylight time ("morning") would be counted as a the whole daylight time. Any portion of a year would be considered a whole year, etc.
Now why do i find it strange that only Christians teach this ?
If this was actually true in Judaism, then you would have the Jews fasting for about an hour, and then digging in like nobodies business.
Lets face it a lot of Jews would just love to have such a loop-hole.
Now my case is different, as i'm a diabetic, and am never allowed to fast for health reasons.
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....So, because the next day was a Shabbat (a high Shabbat or the Shabbat of a holy day, not the normal seventh day of the week),....
Actually, if you look at any Jewish calendar, the Shabbat in the middle of the holy week of Pesach is known as the high Shabbat - Shabbat HaGadol.
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He had to be entombed BEFORE the full setting of the sun and the sighting of the first three stars.
Actually, you have this backwards, the waiting until you can see three stars is only at the conclusion of the Shabbat. The beginning of the Shabbat is advanced the other way, and starts at the moment any portion of the disk of the sun touches the horizon.
(That is unless you are a Lubavitcher, but they live in a world of their own anyways.)
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Yeshua` would have risen anytime during the "evening of the first day of the week" and was gone before the women came to the tomb. Therefore, Yeshua` was put to death on Aviv 14, the day of preparation for the Passover, and therefore we are looking for a year that had Aviv 14 on a Thursday.
And yet, the bible disagrees with your interpretation:
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(Mat 26:17 KJV) Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Because it was the first day of the Feast of UnLeavened bread, in the morning this means that this is the morning of the 15th of Aviv/Nisan. At least 12 hours after the end of the Festival of Pesach/Passover.
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I like to use a true date converter rather than a calendar and come up with my own calendar if needed. I use this Hebrew calendar converter.
And yet, not date calendar will ever be accurate, as the Pharisee Sanhedrion had already left the Temple and there was no longer anyone to adjust the Jewish calendar to fit the biblical commandment of G-d until after Hillel II. So no scholar anywhere in the world knows what the days of the week were or were not.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 8:49:39 AM
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In the OT, probably Isiah, it said something like the Messiah would be cut off in the middle of the week...acdg to Israelite time-keeping methods...and also similar to the story of Jonah and the Whale, He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nites...
Since I'm a real "newbie" here on this site.
So, the middle of their week would be Wednesday at High Noon.
This could be Daniel's 69th week, cut off in the middle of the week" maybe, We still have left Daniel's 70th week, the Great Tribulation time period.
A Passover time keeping was very important back then, as that time was used to figure out when the Pentecost Holy Day would occur. My other comment is that the Jewish Rabis violated their own court rules, by having a night court activity, and administered a beating before conviction...That may have disrupted the time-keeping calculations.
I've changed my mind several times about this subject in the past. So far I reason that Jesus was on the cross at noon on Wednesday...the being "cut-off" in the middle of the week...
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 9:14:54 AM
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And yet you can see the quote from the book of Acts that i posted. The very fact that this was written of by a non-Jewish Christian shows just how much the Apostles abided by and revered the teachings of the Rabbis. Just as Iesus abided by and revered the teachings of the Rabbis.
We also must remember that certain commands were excused at the expense of more weighter commands. Which Sukkot was a feast that all Hebrew males was to attend. Circumsion took precedence. See John 7:22-24. I think is called kol va chomer. Lighter and greater commands.
Coupled with the fact they were under Roman rule and had to attend this census. What better time to hold a census than on a pilgrimage feast?
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 9:16:38 AM
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Welcome to the Forums Gregory51!
I've racked my brain and changed somethings myself since being on these threads. It makes you study does it? 
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 9:51:01 AM
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So, the middle of their week would be Wednesday at High Noon.
I would sure agree with Wednesday at 3PM Gregory.
Wednesday: Jesus was crucified and died around 3 p.m. (Matthew 27:46-50). This was the preparation day for the annual, not weekly, Sabbath, which began that evening (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:31). Jesus' body was placed in the tomb at twilight (Matthew 27:57-60).
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 10:22:41 AM
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...It's amazing how this subject goes all over the place.
...But always comes to a dead end.
Why has God not revealed to us what some people think is so important to our relationship with him, and left those who pursue it to do so through their own best efforts and understandings? Neither the Jewish mindset nor the Western mindset (as if their really are such things) have this knowledge nailed down (though, there is a mindset of law and a mindset of the Spirit).
In all of human history we have never been able to discern the facts in this matter as if God was really holding them out there for us to find. Does that tell anybody something? Like, maybe it's not that important? The combination of God's vagueness and silence on this and similar subjects tells me it's not a path that God wants us to spend much time on (remember it always dead-ends). It's not important.....at all. If it was he would not have left us to our own devices to figure it all out (as if that was really possible anyway).
Glean it's spiritual import. That's the only real value you'll get out of all this and similar subjects. And most of all, none of us should neglect the study of what he has made crystal clear to us through lengthy and plainly written instructions on what really counts.
"...what counts is a new creation. 16Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God. (Gal. 6:15-16)
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 1:04:06 PM
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There is only one "rule" and/or "mindset" and that's God's.
It is written.......................................period.
Our interpretations are all over the board.
Jews and Gentiles alike.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 4:56:31 PM
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There is only one "rule" and/or "mindset" and that's God's.
It is written.......................................period.
Our interpretations are all over the board.
Jews and Gentiles alike.
Not just over Pesach, but regarding many things that are not spelled out directly in the Scriptures. I am glad you and others have not written these subjects off just because they don't fit into some simplistic theological scheme.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 9:33:55 PM
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Shalom, folks.
Fifth, any portion of a unit of time counts as a whole unit of time. Thus, any portion of an evening would count as the whole evening. Any portion of the daylight time ("morning") would be counted as a the whole daylight time. Any portion of a year would be considered a whole year, etc.
That's my contribution.
Roy
P.S., The year 3790 in Jewish timekeeping is 30 A.D.
Then when Jesus was killed and entombed before the evening of the next day; then any portion of that morning…. from the moment he was betrayed until His death would count as the first "day" in the belly of the earth…
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/2/2009 11:00:57 PM
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Do you think that Passover is an everlasting celebration to be kept in obedience to God for all Christians?
If so why?
If not why not?
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/3/2009 12:15:37 AM
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Do you think that Passover is an everlasting celebration to be kept in obedience to God for all Christians?
If so why?
If not why not?
Not.
What the requirements of the festivals once sought to fulfill for the people of God was accomplished once and for all by the giving of the Holy Spirit to all who believe. It was made obsolete as a requirement for the people of God by the work of Christ, just as animal sacrifice for sin and circumcision were made obsolete and were set aside in favor of the reality those things represented but which is now fulfilled through the work of believing. Believing secures the grace of God, not the performance of the ceremonial works of the law as commanded and required under the law to be in covenant with God.
Christ's work makes the literal observance a matter of personal conviction and denominational preference because it's no longer required to be in God's blessing. Paul says to not let anyone judge you in regard to the keeping of festivals, Sabbaths, etc. because there is no longer the penalty of being separated from God and his blessings and his people for not keeping those observances. Whatever promise keeping the literal observance brought is now secured through the new way of believing and receiving the Holy Spirit, not the old way of the written code.
Some will argue that communion as taught by Christ is the continuance of the Passover observance. And there's no reason to think it does not represent the change Christ made to the observance in accordance with his work on the cross, but as we all know it's hardly a required observance as the original Passover was. I think we all agree Communion is observed according to personal conviction and denominational preference, not according to law.
Short and sweet so this doesn't get diverted to the law keeping thread.
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/3/2009 11:55:46 AM
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Do you think that Passover is an everlasting celebration to be kept in obedience to God for all Christians?
If so why?
If not why not?
Greetings
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Do you think that Passover is an everlasting celebration to be kept in obedience to God for all Christians?
Which Passover???…
the one Jesus kept by His own accord at twilight by the command of the Father in John 10 which resulted at its “appointed time” For our salvation or salvation for the gentile ….
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The one that was diametrically opposed that the Jew did not keep according to the ordinance (the command) that the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening .
Numbers 9:13 = Romans 11:11
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The "Second Passover" (Pesach Sheni) on the 14th of Iyar (Numbers 9:6-13) as a make-up day for people who were unable to offer the pesach sacrifice “at the appropriate time”
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/3/2009 2:10:32 PM
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Why has God not revealed to us what some people think is so important to our relationship with him, and left those who pursue it to do so through their own best efforts and understandings? Neither the Jewish mindset nor the Western mindset (as if their really are such things) have this knowledge nailed down (though, there is a mindset of law and a mindset of the Spirit).
In all of human history we have never been able to discern the facts in this matter as if God was really holding them out there for us to find. Does that tell anybody something? Like, maybe it's not that important?
My friend 
As the one who started this thread, it is very important to me and my relationship with God.
For, you see, I use this time of year, every year, to meditate and ponder on Christ's sufferings for me. It brings me back to focus on Him and all He has done for us. I go through those last days with Him that He was here on earth.
I did not put those impulses in my heart. The Holy Spirit did. I love hearing about Passover and the practice of the Jews and I love these threads because I learn alot from those that post on here. It thrills me to see such things discussed.
Does the exact day really matter? No...Does it matter whether we will never be able (this side of Heaven) to completely reconcile dates, etc. No. Does it have to be this time of year that we focus on these things? No.
But I believe the Holy Spirit is most pleased that we do focus on these things and on Him, together, for that is the Holy Spirit's greatest desire...to reveal more and more of Christ to us....
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/3/2009 2:15:17 PM
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There is only one "rule" and/or "mindset" and that's God's.
It is written.......................................period.
Our interpretations are all over the board.
Jews and Gentiles alike.
Not just over Pesach, but regarding many things that are not spelled out directly in the Scriptures. I am glad you and others have not written these subjects off just because they don't fit into some simplistic theological scheme.
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For...Through His suffering, I am free!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwzt9jRUPNg
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RE: Christ's Crucifixion and Passover - 4/3/2009 5:27:28 PM
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For, you see, I use this time of year, every year, to meditate and ponder on Christ's sufferings for me. It brings me back to focus on Him and all He has done for us. I go through those last days with Him that He was here on earth.
All of Chrisitianity is doing that with you, Cherished, even if some call it 'Easter'. Don't you agree?
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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod
I did not put those impulses in my heart. The Holy Spirit did. I love hearing about Passover and the practice of the Jews and I love these threads because I learn alot from those that post on here. It thrills me to see such things discussed.
Also true for much of Christianity (some simply don't know about it to get thrilled about it). The OT practices were given to us to illustrate God's plan and purpose accomplished in the work of Christ. Nobody is suggesting it's wrong or evil to glean spiritual truth and edification from paralleling Christ the Passover lamb with the lambs offered up in the old covenant, and other practices required under the law. I learned about them myself in a Protestant, non-literal law keeping church. They bless us to. We just understand our release from having to perform them according to the requirements of the law to stay in full fellowship with God, now that Christ has been offered up.
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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod
Does the exact day really matter? No...Does it matter whether we will never be able (this side of Heaven) to completely reconcile dates, etc. No. Does it have to be this time of year that we focus on these things? No.
If you or anybody else thinks there is a special blessing purposely given by God to those who most closely conform their worship to the times and procedures of the old covenant then you really do not believe what you have said here. I'm not saying you really do believe in that superior blessing for those who worship according to the old covenant. I'm helping you understand the problem with the teaching that some people bring into this forum. Paul said the daily benefit of the Holy Spirit is not wrought through works of the law, but through believing (Gal. 3 around vs. 5).
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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod
But I believe the Holy Spirit is most pleased that we do focus on these things and on Him, together, for that is the Holy Spirit's greatest desire...to reveal more and more of Christ to us....
And there is not a Christian in this forum who would argue with you. We too are focusing on the great work of Christ at this time of year. But we must resist any notion whatsoever that our worship is the most effective and rewarded by God if you can figure out how and when to align your worship up with the methods and prescribed time tables of the old covenant. And you've said you agree with that. Cherished, we're on the same page. You have no beef with me. A misunderstanding? Yes. But a beef (whatever that really means, lol)? No! Hopefully were clear now.
You do know LBolt, Bluethread, and probably Lap, can not and will not amen everything you said to me in your thread, right? They represent the belief that God requires his people to conform their worship and the time they do it to the requirements of the old covenant to gain God's greatest blessing for doing so. Simply not true. I think I understand from your post that you agree God's best is not contingent on the how and when of worship, and that it's really just a matter of personal preference. As far as I can tell, there's no conflict between me and you in this matter.
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