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RE: Musical upheaval... - 3/31/2009 1:44:31 PM
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nealmorsefan
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What has worked for me in the past is setting aside a special service for introducing new music. Once a month (or more if you're brave), announce a praise and prayer night on a Saturday. Pick a bunch of new songs and intersperse them with old familiar songs that have similar chords/feelings. Throughout the service have times of prayer, scripture reading, and just meditation. It's really a refreshing, exciting event. Hope that helps!
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/7/2009 11:32:00 PM
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Having read through the other posts, I think I'll just stick with the OP's original request. 
My first Praise Pastor would have the choir introduce a new song on Communion Sunday, at the end of the morning praise set as a "special", right before the message. We would then close the service with the same song and invite the congregation to join in. We held an open Communion service that evening (no one excluded, but unique in that you made the Lord's Supper your reason for attending). All our songs for that evening focused on what Jesus' death meant for us. We would share Communion, and then we would close the service with the new song. I can't remember a single time that a song was not well received, possibly because everyone had been prepared mentally and spiritually to receive it.
Another thing I remember is that because we spent so much time in prayer at practice and before each service, even when we hadn't had adequate musical preparation, somehow those services seemed to bless us deeply, perhaps because we were so desperately aware of how needy we were. 
During my time there, the Praise Pastor brought on first an electric drum pedal, then a real drummer, occaisionally an Electric fiddle or flute. I think it took a little over a year to do that. They already had a Bass guitarist, Pianist, and Keyboardist. The Pastor's instrument is an Acoustic guitar, and I believe that is one reason we never had "too loud" issues. It seems to be less condusive to a "concert" atmosphere. And I never had to wear earplugs like I have at a few churches we have visited.
My prayers are with you.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/8/2009 6:30:34 AM
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praznhim
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Just thought I would hop back into the discussion; so sorry to hear ((((29redballoons)))) of your disappointment with music with your first service with newer music. How do your members of your praise team seem to relate? Are they brother and sister in the faith and can they pray together and share their walk with Christ Jesus with the congregation? Just some questions to ponder.
We just added a "couple" to our team and we "just click" and the music and worship was awesome. We are pretty much all "worshippers" so working with anyone else who is also a worshipper is sheer joy to me. Musical experience and skill truly plays into it; we are all accomplished in our area; whether it is keyboard; leading or guitar accompaniment and lead voice or harmonies and prophetic words. I have always seen "the attitude to be much more important than the music". If the attitude of worship is not there, IMHO, it doesn't matter what song you sing, it may only "be a song" instead of a praise to God. Just adding some thoughts and my two cents to the need for worship in our congregations.
I have found that using "simple songs", simply done with a worshipful attitude and reverence for God will enable the congregation to experience worship and offer it up to the Lord more easily; especially if some contemporary songs are new to them. O Give Thanks, I love you Lord, (I'm forgiven) Amazing Love, You are my refuge, Purify our hearts, etc.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/8/2009 11:15:53 PM
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ranmanpats
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Hey 29luftballoons! Our congregation did this about 2 years ago and the result was a split. We went slow, we talked to the congregation, we let them be part of the decision - we did everything we could to soften the blow, but nothing helped.
So, in my opinion you cannot do this without experiencing some blow back.
The question is why would music cause such a commotion? I grew up complaining about the funeral dirge music and was told to shut up and sing. But in my experience, those who told me to accept the music as is were not willing to do the same when the shoe was on the other foot.
The real issue is maturity! We attend worship for what we get out of it, PERIOD!
Perhaps the answer lies in true Christ-like teaching that gets our heads and butts out of the building. Teaching that challenges us to grow spiritually not just attend regularly.
Good luck!
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/9/2009 5:07:18 PM
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Hi, 29redballoons--how are things going? Things are going well here. We had our district secretary out last Sunday and he met with the leadership of the church. He spoke about a number of things regarding church revitalization, and one thing he talked about was how he can always tell when a declining church's most vibrant days were by when the songs were written that they are still singing. He talked about how churches get frozen and they need to unfreeze so they can reach the next generation, and how the older generations need to be willing to let go of the power and release it to the next generation.
Wednesday, our Sunday morning worship leader wrote us a note saying she was stepping down. When I asked her about it, she said it was time to unfreeze and move forward. I though that was so big of her to do that. We'll be giving her a gift and honoring her for her service this next Sunday.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/9/2009 10:09:32 PM
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29redballoons
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Well, things aren't going so well....
several families have all left. BUT, we are gonna continue to pray and let God have His way. It is very easy to get frustrated...we are looking into faces that are clearly wishing we would hush...our sound system is going crazy...loud one minute, too soft the next. We set the sound on Sat night...Sunday morning all sound is wrong...go figure. I know God is bigger than all of this, but we...I...do need your continued prayer.
Lisa, I am soooo glad that things are going well for you all. We have been doing a Bible study on church growth and revitalization...not many participating. =0( Sounds like you have a Spirit led worship leader...God bless her! I am sure she will enjoy the break.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/10/2009 10:23:12 AM
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Consecrated2God
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(((Red))) Those sound systems are pesky, aren't they? Do you have someone who is able to make adjustments during the service? I'll keep you all in prayer. Just keep doing what you know God wants you to do, and in the end it will all work out.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/16/2009 10:42:56 PM
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There's nothing wrong with continuing to do hymns in church however they're not current with the times, so do expect them to reach out to the unsaved. The church is supposed to be a social structure for Christians and those within are to follow the great commision and reach out to the lost, how this can be done in today's culture with hymns is beyond my understanding...
We need to relate to the world around us as Paul said it best, I become all things to all people so that some might be saved...not to take anything out of text, but I think we have to be able to relate to people on some level or it's not real to them. I wish we could drop all the religion and tradition in churches and just worship God and follow his commandments. I know that tradition is not a bad thing but when we are so focused on tradition that you can't relate it's time for change.
The youth of our world are crying out for something they can't find and part of the problem is because of the dead dried up churches continue to play the same old songs from the 1800's. The bible says to sing a NEW song and play skillfully with a loud noise. My Father has the "Old Crowd" mentality and guess what, no youth in the church, it's not compromising to relate. I've gone to so many churches that continue to play the hymns and keep the rituals and have no life or presence of the Holy spirit because they've forgotten. The bible says to stir the gift within, most of the time for humans we have to change, God is the one that stays the same.
Bottom line...many churches have this issue, it's a tough one unfortunately and is usually never resolved easily. Most of the "older crowd" dislikes contemporary music and the "younger crowd" dislikes hymns. You can't please everyone, pray hard, pick one and go with it. Someone will always be upset about the change, once you've prayed and believe your making the right decision don't turn back, but that's only one person's oppinion.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/16/2009 11:35:52 PM
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29redballoons
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Still road blocks...please remember us in your prayers.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/17/2009 12:25:55 AM
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Our church uses a mixture of popular, southern, and gospel music peppered with some of the older stuff we all remember via constant and consistent repetition. Our "play list" is in the thousands. We don't repeat from week to week unless God directs, keeps things fresh.
My wife is the P & W leader. She may take most of an entire day to develop one services play list. Searching for the right songs, listening to His Spirit, and laying it all down takes time and dedication. Our songs are always evolving which makes work for the musicians. We haven't had anyone leave. The music is mixed and sent to the speakers and ear buds for those on stage(takes the stage mix out of the auditorium, and feed back). It is monitored constantly during all parts of the service. We even teach others(from the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Books first) sound reinforcement. I have always believed quality sound trumps loud noise every time.
Like others have stated, that change came very slowly. I remember one time during a youth rally, I played a polyphonic run on an old book song. The young said wow, musicians said teach me, and the seniors gave me the evil eye. Teach your musicians the Nashville Number System and everybody, music readers and all, will be in the right place at the right time. Even in Nashville West, not everybody reads music.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/17/2009 11:14:49 AM
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Consecrated2God
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Well, I thought things were going well in our church, but apparently there were people who weren't telling us what they really thought. We received a letter last week bringing up a lot of complaints that we had no idea anyone was upset about. It was a hard blow.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/17/2009 5:07:46 PM
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Our church uses a mixture of popular, southern, and gospel music peppered with some of the older stuff we all remember via constant and consistent repetition. Our "play list" is in the thousands. We don't repeat from week to week unless God directs, keeps things fresh.
My wife is the P & W leader. She may take most of an entire day to develop one services play list. Searching for the right songs, listening to His Spirit, and laying it all down takes time and dedication. Our songs are always evolving which makes work for the musicians. We haven't had anyone leave. The music is mixed and sent to the speakers and ear buds for those on stage(takes the stage mix out of the auditorium, and feed back). It is monitored constantly during all parts of the service. We even teach others(from the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Books first) sound reinforcement. I have always believed quality sound trumps loud noise every time.
Like others have stated, that change came very slowly. I remember one time during a youth rally, I played a polyphonic run on an old book song. The young said wow, musicians said teach me, and the seniors gave me the evil eye. Teach your musicians the Nashville Number System and everybody, music readers and all, will be in the right place at the right time. Even in Nashville West, not everybody reads music.
Wait, wait...there are BOOKS about this??????
Please, please tell me the source.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/21/2009 10:37:23 AM
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Well we started two yr ago and we are a chuch of 30-45 of all over 50yr (mostly 60-80 ) we are a dieing church , We have started a few new things as in to the music ,My hd is the music leader and a few month ago we founded the Mike Speck new cd of older song put in to praise music.(same words with new song mixed look in to it ) and we added power point all in one service well that was 3 week ago the people we thought that would hate it ,loved it now some of the other 4-5 are just steaming! :( , SO My Hd has alway planed with the Lords leading not the pepole but I not sure how strong the pastor is going to stand He was all for this and that the reason he called and wanted us to come work for him and the church, I found it so hard that christian want the church to grow but yet so un willing to do any thing for the work as in a few small cjhhanged, ( we do a few power point priase song and a few out of the book song still they complain! Music can set the mood and the Lord uses it in so many ways if people would just open up and heard the words and see the sprit,
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/27/2009 9:19:49 PM
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praznhim
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***29redballoons***how is it going for you?
We have just divided and added to create 2 worship teams who alternate weekend services. It is nice having a week or so off each month; I also teach the children and help with that.
Wondering how things are going for you...
Consecrated2God and hjemerson: I am so sorry to hear of the roadblocks you seem to be experiencing while sharing new worship music. I would suggest that those who complain get up there and "do it themselves" and show us all how it should be done! Sounds to me that they are not very appreciative to have music ministers and allow them to hear from God to lead the congregation in worship. We are all His servants; all trying to best use the gifts that He has so graciously given for HIS glory. Keep trusting in Him and doing what you are called to do; love others in spite of themselves and don't lean on the "arm of man" but only trust in the Holy Spirit to lead you...blessings to you!
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/28/2009 9:19:49 AM
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Consecrated2God
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We ended up resigning at our church. Oh well.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/28/2009 10:20:52 AM
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We ended up resigning at our church. Oh well. Oh I am so sorry to hear that. That is a true loss.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/29/2009 1:47:10 PM
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hjemerson
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We are still hanging in I am doing the Power point for the service(along with the praise music) ,I am not a person of music I just have to read along keep up. I have anxity attack each sunday morning I do not want to mis up becuase then it would give some the reason to complain I do it for the Lord and to help my husband, Many of the older one have said they like it! and starting to learn the newer song!
The pastor had Power point his text for the sermaon I was suprised! Mnay of the folks liked it, Now we are going out of twon for two weeks and they will n ot have it in the service so it will be nice to know if they missed it!
I am suprise a few have started they like the music and power point but do not want the pastor to put up his text etc because then people will not use their BIBLE ! Please pray we wiull grow and have someone will be leadedr to assit in the powe point and the priase music!
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/29/2009 3:11:30 PM
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I understand what you are saying but at one even the good old songs were the new I do want to sing songs! (at one time) I just think as we move thur this time our music should be up lifting as many of the old song do and so many of the new one do well also We as christian need to change on some thing but keep the main ideal in Who we servie the center of the service I know some frien that heir pastor has no muci till after the message to me that would not be a service I would enjoy or care to set thur, I feel music and set the moodMind?Heart for the Lord to speak /I have seen many with trear after songs of the OLD Music as well as the New Praise Music.
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/29/2009 6:25:31 PM
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What's so wrong with the "Old Rugged Cross" to where we must find a "new" one? I know aluminum is much lighter, but is that what held up the Savior?
And is GRACE just not that "amazing" anymore? Seems no one is enjoying their "Victory in Jesus".
Let me begin by saying that I know you meant no disrespect, but this is exactly what we are dealing with...
Nothing is wrong with the old rugged cross, but Jesus isn't there...He rose again, so lets sing praise to a Lord who is
alive, not nailed to the cross...and grace is just as amazing, but lets Rejoice and be glad that again...He is alive.
And yes, I am very much enjoying my victory in Jesus, so much that I want to "shout" and maybe even "Stomp" around.
...see, we must agree to disagree.
And yes, it must be worth it if this is what the Lord is leading us to do...even flower beds must be weeded, or the flowers die. 
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RE: Musical upheaval... - 4/29/2009 6:41:02 PM
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Nothing is wrong with the old rugged cross, but Jesus isn't there...He rose again, so lets sing praise to a Lord who is alive, not nailed to the cross...
Here's some verses on the cross, for is almost seems that the Cross is a non-issue with your statement:
GAL 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
PHIL 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
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and grace is just as amazing, but lets Rejoice and be glad that again...He is alive.
And yes, I am very much enjoying my victory in Jesus, so much that I want to "shout" and maybe even "Stomp" around.
...see, we must agree to disagree.
And yes, it must be worth it if this is what the Lord is leading us to do...even flower beds must be weeded, or the flowers die.
Weeded? Are you saying that those who oppose this change must be weeded?
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