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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/13/2009 4:31:55 AM
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pretty sure that once a foundation is laid-- you build on it--- i would think that the gifts would be used for stuff like that-- should we go to malta? should we not go to malta? i dunno--we should ask the Holy Ghost---
He will answer. Yep, you "build" on it - not lay it again which is what you are doing by getting "new revelation".
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"word of knowledge" is probably a word---of....uh... knowledge... Just as I said - you have no idea what a "word of knowledge" is - but you sure think you've got it!
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a lack of proof means it suddenly didn't happen? No, it means you have no proof.
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the gifts are not unscriptural---they are of course in scripture--- So is slaughtering animals scriptural...doesn't mean it's for today.
Seems we've gone as far as we can with this....we're pretty much just repeating ourselves now.
I replied to your "unjust steward" thread.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/13/2009 4:33:29 AM
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your presuppositions are speaking. The only type of "divers" tongues we know for a fact is that which is evidenced in Acts 2:4. And, those "tongues" were foreign languages.
And you just totally dismiss the plurality of the Gifts of tongues as when Paul speakes directly to praying and singing in tongues as well as prophesying in tongues?
(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
(1Co 14:16) Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
Sad that many folks will just discard Scripture because it does not line up with their little pet theories.
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I'm not the one ignoring the only very clear description of tongues in Scripture.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/15/2009 8:06:20 AM
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Sorry, but we are not made perfect through the blood of Christ on the Cross. We are, however, justified - Romans 5:9 and redeemed - Ephesians 1:7 through His blood. The only One who was (is) perfect is Jesus Christ.
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BUT i was made perfect through that blood, eh? You're right, believers are made "perfect" by the redeeming sacrifice of Christ.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/16/2009 3:39:50 AM
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Sorry, but we are not made perfect through the blood of Christ on the Cross. We are, however, justified - Romans 5:9 and redeemed - Ephesians 1:7 through His blood. The only One who was (is) perfect is Jesus Christ.
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BUT i was made perfect through that blood, eh? You're right, believers are made "perfect" by the redeeming sacrifice of Christ.
No, Scripture tells us that we are made "perfect" in Christ(Col 1:28; Heb 12:23). The word "Teleios" meaning: 1. brought to its end, finished 2. wanting nothing necessary to completeness 3. perfect 4. that which is perfect 1. consummate human integrity and virtue 2. of men 1. full grown, adult, of full age, mature
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/16/2009 2:34:39 PM
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In my humble opinion and understanding of Scripture, we are not made perfect in this life. If we were perfect when we died, there would be no need for the Judgement Seat Of Christ. The first few verses of James 3 describe how man cannot be perfect because of sin, in this case his inability to control his tongue.
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Sorry, but we are not made perfect through the blood of Christ on the Cross. We are, however, justified - Romans 5:9 and redeemed - Ephesians 1:7 through His blood. The only One who was (is) perfect is Jesus Christ.
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BUT i was made perfect through that blood, eh? You're right, believers are made "perfect" by the redeeming sacrifice of Christ.
No, Scripture tells us that we are made "perfect" in Christ(Col 1:28; Heb 12:23). The word "Teleios" meaning: 1. brought to its end, finished 2. wanting nothing necessary to completeness 3. perfect 4. that which is perfect 1. consummate human integrity and virtue 2. of men 1. full grown, adult, of full age, mature
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/16/2009 6:15:57 PM
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*bump*
Would you mind responding to this?
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Sure is "gobeldy gook" and nonsense. The only tongues described in Scripture is that of literal other languages. Today all you have is incohent babblings.
There are roughly 6,500 spoken languages active in the world today.
About 2,000 of them are spoken by fewer than 1,000.
I assume you know all 6,500, or at least 4,500 of them to say that "all you have is incoherent babble" instead of an actual literal language.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 4:04:14 AM
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In my humble opinion and understanding of Scripture, we are not made perfect in this life. If we were perfect when we died, there would be no need for the Judgement Seat Of Christ. The first few verses of James 3 describe how man cannot be perfect because of sin, in this case his inability to control his tongue.
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Sorry, but we are not made perfect through the blood of Christ on the Cross. We are, however, justified - Romans 5:9 and redeemed - Ephesians 1:7 through His blood. The only One who was (is) perfect is Jesus Christ.
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BUT i was made perfect through that blood, eh? You're right, believers are made "perfect" by the redeeming sacrifice of Christ.
No, Scripture tells us that we are made "perfect" in Christ(Col 1:28; Heb 12:23). The word "Teleios" meaning: 1. brought to its end, finished 2. wanting nothing necessary to completeness 3. perfect 4. that which is perfect 1. consummate human integrity and virtue 2. of men 1. full grown, adult, of full age, mature
I can only give you the scriptural passages which say "perfect" and the meaning of the Greek.
I will not disagree with you, though, that in a certain sense we are not literally "perfected" until our resurrected bodies are united with our resurrected souls.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 4:06:38 AM
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*bump*
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Sure is "gobeldy gook" and nonsense. The only tongues described in Scripture is that of literal other languages. Today all you have is incohent babblings.
There are roughly 6,500 spoken languages active in the world today.
About 2,000 of them are spoken by fewer than 1,000.
I assume you know all 6,500, or at least 4,500 of them to say that "all you have is incoherent babble" instead of an actual literal language.
Sorry, I guess I missed this one.
I have heard "tongues" and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize gobbeldy gook when you hear it. In fact, there have been linguistic experts who have studied "tongues" and have affirmed that it is linguistic nonsense.
If you want to know about real biblical tongues, you can read the following: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language....And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (Acts 2:6,8).
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 8:08:22 AM
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I interpret the meaning of "perfect" in many scriptural passages as being "spiritual maturity." This seems to make sense and it concurs with several of John MacArthur's notes in his Study Bible. I agree with your assessment of being literally perfected when our resurrected bodies are united with our resurrected souls. This was my original point, though poorly stated, I guess.
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I can only give you the scriptural passages which say "perfect" and the meaning of the Greek.
I will not disagree with you, though, that in a certain sense we are not literally "perfected" until our resurrected bodies are united with our resurrected souls.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 12:33:46 PM
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I have heard "tongues" and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize gobbeldy gook when you hear it.
And perhaps God has just chosen the foolish things of the world to make the strong ashamed.
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In fact, there have been linguistic experts who have studied "tongues" and have affirmed that it is linguistic nonsense.
If you have any links to some legitimate studies, I'll take a look. I have seen some studies myself that showed them to be authentic (but I don't have any links at the moment myself).
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If you want to know about real biblical tongues, you can read the following: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language....And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (Acts 2:6,8).
Do Scripture say that every time a tongue is spoken, it will be in a language of someone nearby?
Didn't their tongues begin while still in the upper room? Whose were those for?
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 2:18:29 PM
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If you want to know about real biblical tongues, you can read the following: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language....And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (Acts 2:6,8).
And onece again you display your mioptic view of Scripture concerning tongues.
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Paul says here that man is speaking to God (prayer) and that no man understands the tongues.
(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Paul speaks here of praying in tongues, and singing in tongues, but also that he will also pray and sing in a known language.
And then of course there is the Acts 2 tongues where they evidently speak in other known languages and someone does understand (though that could be the miracle of hearing by those of different languages)
Now since you dismiss praying, profecying, and singing in tongue as for this day and time; do you think that the example of Acts 2 is still for today?
That particular manisfitation has happened to me one in the Yucatan Jungle of Mexico, when I prayed in a tongue and all those in attendace heard it in thier own Mayan dialect, and so did the Mexican Evangelist that was in attendance heard it in the Mayan dialect. The locals there only spoke their dialect.
So do you think that was really the Holy Spirit or am I lying, and were those folks in that Jungle lying.
I am still wainting on the Scriptures that you base your opinion on that the Holy Spirit does not give gifts anymore since John wrote Revelations. Since you are so firm about your belief, surely you have Scripture for it.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 5:07:57 PM
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RC, what is the significance that "unknown" is in italics in the KJV, indicating it was added by the translators?
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 6:14:50 PM
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RC, what is the significance that "unknown" is in italics in the KJV, indicating it was added by the translators?
For the same reason that many words are in italics; for clarification as to a language that is not known by those present.
It reads the same by skipping over the italic words.
It is really redundant in this verse that is clearly about praying in a tongue that is unknown to anyone;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
At least that is they way I see it.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/17/2009 8:19:31 PM
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Thanks for your insight, RC.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/18/2009 12:17:32 AM
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Sorry, but we are not made perfect through the blood of Christ on the Cross. We are, however, justified - Romans 5:9 and redeemed - Ephesians 1:7 through His blood. The only One who was (is) perfect is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ Himself said in a prayer for all of us "And the glory which You gave Me I have them, that they may be one just as We are one. I in them, and You in Me. that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. (JOHN 17:22-23)
The perfect in one that Christ refers to here is the body of Christ. Which if you have accepted Him into your heart, you have been made. Therefore, leaving the disscussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not lying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God. (Hebrews 6:1)
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I have heard "tongues" and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize gobbeldy gook when you hear it. In fact, there have been linguistic experts who have studied "tongues" and have affirmed that it is linguistic nonsense.
Jesus Christ the same Yesterday, Today and Forever!!!!!!! "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnessess to Me in Jerusalem, and in Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth." Notice here, He didnt say all over the earth.
Christ meant for the Unity of Believers as Members of Christ Body.
(1Corinthians 12:12) For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, so also in Christ. So with that being said; would you say Paul was a part of the body of Christ? But in the same breath say you are not?
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/18/2009 12:24:47 AM
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I have heard "tongues" and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize gobbeldy gook when you hear it. In fact, there have been linguistic experts who have studied "tongues" and have affirmed that it is linguistic nonsense.
I'm curious to see what the 'lingiustic experts have affirmed.' Can you post a link or two?
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/18/2009 9:46:09 AM
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Rather than repeating myself here, I'll refer you to my post #211, in which I explain my position.
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Sorry, but we are not made perfect through the blood of Christ on the Cross. We are, however, justified - Romans 5:9 and redeemed - Ephesians 1:7 through His blood. The only One who was (is) perfect is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ Himself said in a prayer for all of us "And the glory which You gave Me I have them, that they may be one just as We are one. I in them, and You in Me. that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. (JOHN 17:22-23)
The perfect in one that Christ refers to here is the body of Christ. Which if you have accepted Him into your heart, you have been made. Therefore, leaving the disscussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not lying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God. (Hebrews 6:1)
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/19/2009 5:18:08 AM
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I have heard "tongues" and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize gobbeldy gook when you hear it.
And perhaps God has just chosen the foolish things of the world to make the strong ashamed. No, actually God is gracious, He tells us what tongues actually is so we don't have to guess.
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In fact, there have been linguistic experts who have studied "tongues" and have affirmed that it is linguistic nonsense.
If you have any links to some legitimate studies, I'll take a look. I have seen some studies myself that showed them to be authentic (but I don't have any links at the moment myself).
There are a number of people who have studied the subject. Here are two and some of the books, papers they've written:
Goodman, Felicitas (1969). Phonetic Analysis of Glossolalia in
Four Cultural Settings. Journal for the Scientific Study of
Religion (:227-239.
Goodman, Felicitas (1972). Speaking in Tongues. A Cross-Cultural
Study of Glossolalia. The University of Chicago Press.
Samarin, William (1972a). Tongues of Men and Angels. The
Religious Language of Pentecostalism. The Macmillan Company.
Samarin, William (1972b). Variation and Variables in Religious
Glossolalia. Language in Society 1:121-130.
Samarin, William (1973). Glossolalia as Regressive Speech.
Language and Speech 16:77-89.
Samarin, William (1974). Review of Goodman (1972). Language
5:207-213.
This is a LINK to some of Professor Samarin's conclusions.
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If you want to know about real biblical tongues, you can read the following: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language....And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (Acts 2:6,8).
Do Scripture say that every time a tongue is spoken, it will be in a language of someone nearby?
Didn't their tongues begin while still in the upper room? Whose were those for?
Yes, Acts 2:4 says it did. And it also tells us "who" it was for in Acts 2:5. It was the feast of Pentecost, Jews from "every nation" came to Jerusalem to keep the feast and they heard the Gospel in their own language.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/19/2009 5:25:57 AM
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If you want to know about real biblical tongues, you can read the following: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language....And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (Acts 2:6,8).
And onece again you display your mioptic view of Scripture concerning tongues. Hmm, let's see did you mean "myopic" by some chance? I post a Bilbe verse and you call me "mioptic" for doing so.
Regardless of your spelling, your personal opinions hold little weight with me especially since you've given no support for your position - just snide remarks.
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(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Paul says here that man is speaking to God (prayer) and that no man understands the tongues. There is nothing in this verse that can lead to the conclusion that "tongues" is not an actual language in Scripture..
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(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Paul speaks here of praying in tongues, and singing in tongues, but also that he will also pray and sing in a known language. As usual, this does nothing to help your position.
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And then of course there is the Acts 2 tongues where they evidently speak in other known languages and someone does understand (though that could be the miracle of hearing by those of different languages) Also apparent is that you don't read the posts very closely. I am maintaining that the tongues in Scripture IS a KNOWN language not the nonsense we see today.
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Now since you dismiss praying, profecying, and singing in tongue as for this day and time; do you think that the example of Acts 2 is still for today? Of course it isn't for today. God does not add to His Word, He is giving no further revelation and He will not accommodate those who seek such things.
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That particular manisfitation has happened to me one in the Yucatan Jungle of Mexico, when I prayed in a tongue and all those in attendace heard it in thier own Mayan dialect, and so did the Mexican Evangelist that was in attendance heard it in the Mayan dialect. The locals there only spoke their dialect.
So do you think that was really the Holy Spirit or am I lying, and were those folks in that Jungle lying. Other than knowing that if something truly supernatural was going on, it wasn't from God. Aside from that, I have no idea what was going on.
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I am still wainting on the Scriptures that you base your opinion on that the Holy Spirit does not give gifts anymore since John wrote Revelations. Since you are so firm about your belief, surely you have Scripture for it.
Speaking of "mioptic".....more evidence you simply don't bother to read the posts very closely since I've given many scriptural passages to support my position.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/19/2009 8:27:56 AM
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Now since you dismiss praying, profecying, and singing in tongue as for this day and time; do you think that the example of Acts 2 is still for today? Of course it isn't for today. God does not add to His Word, He is giving no further revelation and He will not accommodate those who seek such things.
You seem to always declare that tonges is 'New revelation", and that is where you are wrong.
In this verse;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Where it is man speaking to God (Prayer); pray tell how that is "New Revelaton", even in your mind?
I do agree that there well be no more "New Revelation", and praying, singing, and prophecy in tongues is not "New Revelation:.
Praying to God is well duh; praying to God.
Singing to God is well duh; singing to God.
Prophecy as described in 1 Corinthians is for edification, consoling, and exhortation of the Believers; not the giveng of "New Revelation" or "New Doctrine".
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/19/2009 10:49:12 AM
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There are a number of people who have studied the subject. Here are two and some of the books, papers they've written:
Goodman, Felicitas (1969). Phonetic Analysis of Glossolalia in
Four Cultural Settings. Journal for the Scientific Study of
Religion (:227-239.
Goodman, Felicitas (1972). Speaking in Tongues. A Cross-Cultural
Study of Glossolalia. The University of Chicago Press.
Samarin, William (1972a). Tongues of Men and Angels. The
Religious Language of Pentecostalism. The Macmillan Company.
Samarin, William (1972b). Variation and Variables in Religious
Glossolalia. Language in Society 1:121-130.
Samarin, William (1973). Glossolalia as Regressive Speech.
Language and Speech 16:77-89.
Samarin, William (1974). Review of Goodman (1972). Language
5:207-213.
Yes, well the natural mind does not understand the things of God. Have they managed to study God as Spirit as well? Bet they would not find Him.
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/19/2009 2:03:36 PM
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If you want to know about real biblical tongues, you can read the following: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language....And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (Acts 2:6,8).
And onece again you display your mioptic view of Scripture concerning tongues.Hmm, let's see did you mean "myopic" by some chance? I post a Bilbe verse and you call me "mioptic" for doing so.
Regardless of your spelling, your personal opinions hold little weight with me especially since you've given no support for your position - just snide remarks.
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(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Paul says here that man is speaking to God (prayer) and that no man understands the tongues.There is nothing in this verse that can lead to the conclusion that "tongues" is not an actual language in Scripture..
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(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Paul speaks here of praying in tongues, and singing in tongues, but also that he will also pray and sing in a known language.As usual, this does nothing to help your position.
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And then of course there is the Acts 2 tongues where they evidently speak in other known languages and someone does understand (though that could be the miracle of hearing by those of different languages)Also apparent is that you don't read the posts very closely. I am maintaining that the tongues in Scripture IS a KNOWN language not the nonsense we see today.
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Now since you dismiss praying, profecying, and singing in tongue as for this day and time; do you think that the example of Acts 2 is still for today?Of course it isn't for today. God does not add to His Word, He is giving no further revelation and He will not accommodate those who seek such things.
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That particular manisfitation has happened to me one in the Yucatan Jungle of Mexico, when I prayed in a tongue and all those in attendace heard it in thier own Mayan dialect, and so did the Mexican Evangelist that was in attendance heard it in the Mayan dialect. The locals there only spoke their dialect.
So do you think that was really the Holy Spirit or am I lying, and were those folks in that Jungle lying.Other than knowing that if something truly supernatural was going on, it wasn't from God. Aside from that, I have no idea what was going on.
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I am still wainting on the Scriptures that you base your opinion on that the Holy Spirit does not give gifts anymore since John wrote Revelations. Since you are so firm about your belief, surely you have Scripture for it.
Speaking of "mioptic".....more evidence you simply don't bother to read the posts very closely since I've given many scriptural passages to support my position.
None of your post prove anything, other than You have not been baptized in the Holy Spirit. As for your professer also. For when I was Baptized at 16 yoa I had no idea what tongues even were and the Holy spirit fell on me and I begain speaking in tongues. Not even knowing about them, scared me to death, the Pastor had to explian what happen to me. Just as these folks are trying to explain to you now. Christ meant for the Unity of Believers, as Members of Christ Body.
(1Corinthians 12:12) For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, so also in Christ. So I will repeat myself; Would you say Paul is a part of the body of Christ? But in the same breath say you are not?
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R Dove
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RE: Not for anything no disrespect intended - 6/20/2009 2:03:21 AM
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kelman
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Now since you dismiss praying, profecying, and singing in tongue as for this day and time; do you think that the example of Acts 2 is still for today? Of course it isn't for today. God does not add to His Word, He is giving no further revelation and He will not accommodate those who seek such things.
You seem to always declare that tonges is 'New revelation", and that is where you are wrong. If God is "speaking" to you, it is something other than what He has already given, therefore, whatever it is you "think" you are receiving would be additional/new revelation.
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(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Where it is man speaking to God (Prayer); pray tell how that is "New Revelaton", even in your mind? I thank God it's "even" in my mind because it is what Paul specifically says in Rom 16:25 and 1Cor 2:7. He uses "mysteries" as a synonym for the Gospel.
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I do agree that there well be no more "New Revelation", and praying, singing, and prophecy in tongues is not "New Revelation:. Of course, it is. Scripture includes books which are predominately "praying and singing" and which were given through new revelation. If you're getting "more" it also is new revelation.
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Praying to God is well duh; praying to God.
Singing to God is well duh; singing to God. Both of which are plentious in Scripture. Anything additional would, in fact, be new revelation as it was when God first gave revelation. But, of course, He is doing no such thing today.
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