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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/25/2009 5:05:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret Mat59, Shalom, and thanks for the kind words. May we all respect the other persons opinions. You reference the projection, if it is thought as being 'From God,' may be 'False-Prophesying.' IMO, myself the example target: When I say I believe a probable day, it had better be based upon my studies of the Bible, and related, contributing, signs, or I am a charlatan, and worthy of contempt. You know that I believe that if there is going to be a pre-trib rapture, it will be this coming Yom Teruah's blowing of the last trump of the day. This is based upon many factors, mostly Biblical, from a number of teachings, and eclipses, and so on. I project, now and have said, there is a good probability. From that, a few have communicated some contempt for being a 'Date Setter,' as if I suddenly have leprosy, or am a reincarnation of Typhoid Mary. That is sad, IMO. All of that, to say this: I was beginning to fear that the old adage about 'there is no one more hostile of, or unforgiving, than an "Ex": Alcoholic, Prostitute, Smoker, or, obese, may have another name to add to this list, and that being: 'Biblical Pre-Tribulation Rapturist Thinker. The date that I am thinking may be right, is close enough that you healthy types can probably hold your breath, to prove me right or wrong. Ha. Right, or wrong, I am still a winner, even though my ride is delayed a bit. I know it is coming fairly soon. In Messiah, His chronology. Arley Arley, Shalom to you as well. I just wanted to say that I have come to really enjoy your sense of humor... of which I've seen in several of your posts around this forum. So... Thanks for that, and for reminding us to act like the Christian men and women we claim to be. God's love should abound in our hearts toward all. ~ Matt. 22:37-40. I have one question regarding your post above. Is Yom Teruah the same as Yom Kippur, or Rosh Hashanah?? I've thought for a few years now that Rosh Hashanah would be a likely time for the rapture to occur, since in times of old, no one knew the exact day or hour of it's occurance (Today we have many technological advances to discover the exact date of it). Just like that, so it is with the rapture... No one knows the day or hour. Nice parallel there. Now... before anyone calls me a false prophet, I am only giving my opinion of what I think "could" be a likely time for the rapture. I also think this could be the year too, but of course I would not sell the farm just yet based on my own predictions or opinions.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/25/2009 6:47:10 PM
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Sorry, I forget that most people do not call the 'Day of Blowing' Yom Teruah. You are right, Rosh Hashanah is what it is called now. Tishrei one, and the 'Day of Blowing' is the only Feast type day that has a thing called the 'Last Trump.' As I understand the whole thing, the trumpet/shofar is blown in groups of sound, so the total grouped blowings total ninty-nine. As the sun blinks out (fully set), as viewed from Jerusalem, the 'Last trump' is blown, as a single note, long as the blowers lungs can blow, as hard as he can blow. Ta-Da! Last Trump. Centeral time, U.S.A., that should be between 10 and 11 AM, depending on the actual time of the blowing act. I am looking forward to an cheezy-grin flight into the evening sky. Watch out birds, watch out bugs, watch out other fliers, as I will be crying with joy, and won't fly completely straight (plus I have never flown solo (without a plane) before). Yeee-Haaa! Hmmm. Two Yeee-Haaa's, I must be having a ball talking on this subject. I'll stop now, and allow someone else to tickle the keyboard. In Messiah, His flight-plan. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/25/2009 7:07:29 PM
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Wow! That's interesting Arley. While I do know about some Jewish customs and the relationship they have with prophetic events, I never knew that Rosh Hashanah was or is known as the "Day of Blowing"... the blowing of the shofar. Your info there kind of helps me put some things that I already know of into better perspective now than I had known previously. And, it has even more solidified my present beliefs. I need to dig in and learn more about these types of Jewish customs and just exactly what they mean and their prophetic significance. I know there are a lot of parallels there. And speaking of Hal Lindsey, as we should be on this thread, I would suppose he too must know a lot about this. In fact, I have heard him reference some stuff just briefly. Maybe if he were to add more of this to his teachings, then he'd probably have less chance to be scoffed at or ridiculed. However, maybe he has already that I just am not aware of. That could be true too. I don't know. I've heard that the OT speaks of the second coming of Christ more than it does His first, but I've never studied that one out. I believe the OT also makes references to the rapture, but only if one knows the Jewish customs. Would you (Arley) agree with these last two statements? If so, can you provide some good biblical references to where I could get a start in learning about this. If you have any outside sources too, include them as well if you want. I would appreciate whatever you can offer. Thanks!
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/25/2009 7:35:59 PM
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Well Arley your not alone because I also think Rosh Hashanah will be the gathering of the church and that Yom Kipper will be the return of Christ. Of course that being said we do see the timing a little differently. I see the two events being separated by either 10 days or a year and 10 days. Actually in my scenario it has to be a year and ten days because I think the 10 days of Awe between represent the trumpets and bowls period and 10 days is not sufficient time. So we can agree the Rosh Hashanah will be the gathering and disagree on the timing. Bob
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/25/2009 9:13:25 PM
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Matthew go over to The Gospels Timeline on Endtimes thread and I will post a reply to your question. Bob
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/26/2009 11:59:23 AM
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Shalom, Arley! quote:
ORIGINAL: navyblueret Sorry, I forget that most people do not call the 'Day of Blowing' Yom Teruah. You are right, Rosh Hashanah is what it is called now. Tishrei one, and the 'Day of Blowing' is the only Feast type day that has a thing called the 'Last Trump.' As I understand the whole thing, the trumpet/shofar is blown in groups of sound, so the total grouped blowings total ninty-nine. As the sun blinks out (fully set), as viewed from Jerusalem, the 'Last trump' is blown, as a single note, long as the blowers lungs can blow, as hard as he can blow. Ta-Da! Last Trump. Centeral time, U.S.A., that should be between 10 and 11 AM, depending on the actual time of the blowing act. I am looking forward to an cheezy-grin flight into the evening sky. Watch out birds, watch out bugs, watch out other fliers, as I will be crying with joy, and won't fly completely straight (plus I have never flown solo (without a plane) before). Yeee-Haaa! Hmmm. Two Yeee-Haaa's, I must be having a ball talking on this subject. I'll stop now, and allow someone else to tickle the keyboard. In Messiah, His flight-plan. Arley LOL! I do like your style! Fortunately, there's a reason why Yeshua` sends out His messengers to gather His elect, and I think you may have found the reason! They'll keep you on track! "Ha! Ha! Fly THIS way, Arley!" Oh, and for those who are interested, here's a couple of sites that explain Yom Teruah and the blowing of the shofar a little more: Judaism 101 and My Jewish Learning. Hal Lindsey has some understanding of this blowing because he's talked about the shofar before. Roy
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/27/2009 2:40:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: lexi_09 All I can say is I know many here do not care for Hal Lindsey. But I sense urgency in his words. Hal Lindsey Report 4-10-09 Lexi_09, Euticus, Shalom. I copied and paste that, perhaps, the object of focus may return to what I believe is the focus, and that being the 'urgency in his words,' and not whether anyone idolizes Hal Lindsey type preachers, teachers, profiteer, false prophet, or whatever. If these Hal Lindsey types are teaching truth, let the Holy Spirit guide our acceptance. If these Hal Lindsey types are teaching falsely, let the Holy Spirit guide our rejection. In brotherhood, I pray, we can disagree, respectfully, and not in divorce. In Messiah, His Shalom, and family ties. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/27/2009 3:03:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: lexi_09 All I can say is I know many here do not care for Hal Lindsey. But I sense urgency in his words. Hal Lindsey Report 4-10-09 Lexi_09, Euticus, Shalom. I copied and paste that, perhaps, the object of focus may return to what I believe is the focus, and that being the 'urgency in his words,' and not whether anyone idolizes Hal Lindsey type preachers, teachers, profiteer, false prophet, or whatever. If these Hal Lindsey types are teaching truth, let the Holy Spirit guide our acceptance. If these Hal Lindsey types are teaching falsely, let the Holy Spirit guide our rejection. In brotherhood, I pray, we can disagree, respectfully, and not in divorce. In Messiah, His Shalom, and family ties. Arley Excellent post, Arley. I agree.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/27/2009 4:01:07 PM
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I just haven't seen any of the adulation on here for Lindsey that some apparently have. What I have seen is a lot of posters pointing out that a lot of what he says rings true, but not every single thing. I've also seen a lot of agreement that we should never, ever try to "time" God's future plan for mankind. We all seem to be on the same page as far as that goes...the rapture, the appearance of the Anti-Christ, the tribulation, could start tomorrow or next week or 100's of years from now. I think we all understand that Hal Lindsey is just a man. He's a gifted writer and well-versed in scripture, but just a man. And, due to that fact, he will be wrong about some things and right about others. Again, as I said before, let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I prefer to see what Lindsey has to say, weigh it against scripture and go from there. I do the same thing with anyone that claims Christ. It's shameful to indulge in name-calling of other Christians simply because they're not interested in turning this into The Hal Lindsey Bashing Thread.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/27/2009 6:46:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: lexi_09 All I can say is I know many here do not care for Hal Lindsey. But I sense urgency in his words. Hal Lindsey Report 4-10-09 Lexi_09, Euticus, Shalom. I copied and paste that, perhaps, the object of focus may return to what I believe is the focus, and that being the 'urgency in his words,' and not whether anyone idolizes Hal Lindsey type preachers, teachers, profiteer, false prophet, or whatever. If these Hal Lindsey types are teaching truth, let the Holy Spirit guide our acceptance. If these Hal Lindsey types are teaching falsely, let the Holy Spirit guide our rejection. In brotherhood, I pray, we can disagree, respectfully, and not in divorce. In Messiah, His Shalom, and family ties. Arley Hi Arley and all, Wow I haven't been on for a long time and all I can say again is wow! I mean I posted this report as when I saw the video clip of Hal it seemed as if he expressed much urgency regarding the events taking place concerning Israel. In reality, everything is centered around Israel in the end. I didn't want this to turn into a Hal Lindsey bash fest. I just wanted to share this with others as I felt alerted as I listened to his words. I don't always go by what Hal says. I am rather young but I am familiar with Hal trying to spread the word about preparing everyone of the coming end times. But like I said, I did not think the OP would end up the way it did. There is SO MUCH going on in the world now that points to the beginning of the end that SO MANY people care not to focus on. But that's what I choose to do. I want to stay up to date on the news as much of biblical prophecy is starting to come together. But that is just me. I keep my eyes on the sky, as I await my savior Jesus with great anticipation, along with living my life that best way I can, and try to spread the word of God the best way I can. So I would hope the Hal Lindsey put downs would stop and discussion on the current OP could resume.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 4/27/2009 7:04:32 PM
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 2:12:35 AM
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Hal is no "false prophet". I just watched the second part of the "coming world government" and thought it was spot-on
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 10:09:11 AM
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yzf-rl = Would you like to share with those of us who did not watch Hal Lindsey's show? What did Lindsey say that was in line with the Bible?
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 10:26:21 AM
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Shalom, Peter. quote:
ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn I just haven't seen any of the adulation on here for Lindsey that some apparently have. What I have seen is a lot of posters pointing out that a lot of what he says rings true, but not every single thing. I've also seen a lot of agreement that we should never, ever try to "time" God's future plan for mankind. We all seem to be on the same page as far as that goes...the rapture, the appearance of the Anti-Christ, the tribulation, could start tomorrow or next week or 100's of years from now. I think we all understand that Hal Lindsey is just a man. He's a gifted writer and well-versed in scripture, but just a man. And, due to that fact, he will be wrong about some things and right about others. Again, as I said before, let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I prefer to see what Lindsey has to say, weigh it against scripture and go from there. I do the same thing with anyone that claims Christ. It's shameful to indulge in name-calling of other Christians simply because they're not interested in turning this into The Hal Lindsey Bashing Thread. Absolutely right! We should restrict our focus to the ISSUES, not the teachers! I don't know one person who has it all down pat, and I don't believe that any one person has a corner on prophecy. We probably ALL have something wrong in our eschatologies. As Arley said, we need to focus on the "urgency in his words." There IS an urgency! The Lord Yeshua` is returning soon and all that entails! Roy
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 11:39:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: Retrobyter The Lord Yeshua` is returning soon and all that entails! I think that's where a lot of people have difficulty. But, I for one, agree...our redemption is very, very near, folks!
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 11:54:11 AM
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Man I agree. I was thinking about this swine flu this morning; I don't think this is the big pestilences but it should sure give us warning about how fast it will happen when it does occur. I think this is just another warning from God about what is about to occur. After all, all of Gods wrath is a warning to wake up and find Christ before it's to late. Bob
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 12:34:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: bettymackII yzf-rl = Would you like to share with those of us who did not watch Hal Lindsey's show? What did Lindsey say that was in line with the Bible? Pretty much everything, he did a good job of showing how we are progressively moving to a one world government (the theme of this two part series), how this is being set-up NOW, and how the false prophet of Israel will work with the Roman antichrist to deceive the world by means of promising peace. Little question this entire scenario is basically right at our doorstep. Hal gave new insights on prophecies in Daniel I had not considered before, and I was thrilled with what he said, because I had pondered those passages many times before. Then he gave a gospel presentation at the end and I was genuinely moved by it. The primarily goal of prophecy in the life of a Christian is to motivate us toward holy living, to look up, instead of looking only at our circumstances, and it had that effect on me. There was no cheesy sales push for videos or asking for money, the things that really bother me with JVI. Great program. Yes, Hal is far from a perfect man (like all of us), but I believe he genuinely looks forward to the return of Jesus Christ, and that is honorable.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 3:20:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: bettymackII yzf-rl = Would you like to share with those of us who did not watch Hal Lindsey's show? What did Lindsey say that was in line with the Bible? Pretty much everything, he did a good job of showing how we are progressively moving to a one world government (the theme of this two part series), how this is being set-up NOW, and how the false prophet of Israel will work with the Roman antichrist to deceive the world by means of promising peace. Little question this entire scenario is basically right at our doorstep. Hal gave new insights on prophecies in Daniel I had not considered before, and I was thrilled with what he said, because I had pondered those passages many times before. Then he gave a gospel presentation at the end and I was genuinely moved by it. The primarily goal of prophecy in the life of a Christian is to motivate us toward holy living, to look up, instead of looking only at our circumstances, and it had that effect on me. There was no cheesy sales push for videos or asking for money, the things that really bother me with JVI. Great program. Yes, Hal is far from a perfect man (like all of us), but I believe he genuinely looks forward to the return of Jesus Christ, and that is honorable. Excellent post! I watched Hal's program too and thought much the same as you did apparently. Yes, I too really liked the salvation invitation he gave at the end. Very good! May I just say one thing on JVI's behalf? I use to be a bit put off by his selling videos on his program too a few years ago, but realized that he must do that in order to pay for the air time of his program. I guess I finally decided to look past that issue and just listen to what he is saying about bible prophecy. He is very knowledgable about the bible and eschatology. Most (notice I didn't say everything) of what he says is what I also find in the bible and in the world events that are happening at break-neck speed all around us. I have bought quite a lot of his teaching videos through the years, and have found them to be very biblically correct, educational and edifying. Hal sometimes gives a sales pitch for some of his video and books too, but just not as often as Jack does. As far as I know, neither of them pastor a church, so have no financial backing from that avenue. I believe they both rely soley on the sales of their videos and books. If that is the ministry God has given them, then there is nothing wrong with that. ~ Gal. 6:6 You are right, we need to let bible prophecy teaching about the end times lead us to a better understanding of what is happening in the world around us and also to help us live more holy lives before Christ's return. I know in my own life, many of these prophecy teachers have helped me see my need for holy living and being ever ready for the soon coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing wrong with that.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 3:23:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: Retrobyter The Lord Yeshua` is returning soon and all that entails! I think that's where a lot of people have difficulty. But, I for one, agree...our redemption is very, very near, folks! Right on brother!! Look up, our redemption is drawing nigh! ~ Luke 21:28 ...but in the meantime, we'll keep on keeping on for the cause of Christ until he calls us up.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/2/2009 3:53:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: lexi_09 So I would hope the Hal Lindsey put downs would stop and discussion on the current OP could resume. Hi lexi_09, Looks like you got your wish. Did you happen to see this weeks program of the Hal Lindsey Report (5/1/09)?? If so, what are your thoughts?
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/4/2009 3:30:27 PM
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Just like others... I look forward to Christ coming for his Church. I find Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe and others very interesting to listen to and I enjoy what they talk about regarding Bible prophecy. However, I really get concerned when "they" are the ones setting the date (none has been set as far as I know). I see it more as an educational brief rather than a "hey! The Rapture's gonna hit tomorrow" type of thing. Like this 12/12/2012 thing... Punch that into your internet search engine and check out what pops up. I love Bible prophecy but I do wish these guys wouldn't give the appearance of "second guessing" God himself when they talk about it.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/6/2009 8:43:31 PM
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Let us check out the book, 1980's:Countdown to Armageddon by Hal Lindsey. Mr. Lindsey personally met with a super-secret group of computer nerds whose prediction of world demise had mirrored that of Daniel, chapter 11, verses 40-45. (p. 6) Jim Jones was a false messiah as foretold in the Bible. (p. 21) Governments all over the world are being overthrown. (p. 23) By the year 2000 there will not be enough food on earth to keep people alive. (p. 26) The alignment of the planets will cause weather pattern shifts. (p. 28) Three Rabbis in 1980 all had the same dream of a messiah coming. (p. 48) UFOs are real and, "demons will stage a human spacecraft landing on earth." (p. 33) Communism in the U.S.S.R. will overtake American dominace on the world stage. (p. 81) The U.S. itself will be "taken over by communists." (p.132) The U.S. could be "destroyed by a surprise Soviet nuclear attack." (p.132) The U.S. could "become a dependent of the 10-nation European confederacy." (p. 132) And on the back cover of this book are the words: WE ARE THE GENERATION THAT WILL SEE THE END TIMES ... AND THE RETURN OF JESUS.
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