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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/6/2009 9:04:11 PM
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That list does not need much changing, to fit today's scenario of events. OK, so he missed the year by a couple. Remember that the baby is still in the bath tub, with the water.
Something is in the wind, and it doesn't smell like perfume. Sadly, now, if a person was able to come up with the dates, no one would listen to the individual, and would only make fun of him/her.
Therefore, I won't tell you when it is going to happen. So there. 
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/6/2009 9:30:37 PM
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Let us check out the book, 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon by Hal Lindsey.
Mr. Lindsey personally met with a super-secret group of computer nerds whose prediction of world demise had mirrored that of Daniel, chapter 11, verses 40-45. (p. 6)
Jim Jones was a false messiah as foretold in the Bible. (p. 21)
Governments all over the world are being overthrown. (p. 23)
By the year 2000 there will not be enough food on earth to keep people alive. (p. 26)
The alignment of the planets will cause weather pattern shifts. (p. 28)
Three Rabbis in 1980 all had the same dream of a messiah coming. (p. 48)
UFOs are real and, "demons will stage a human spacecraft landing on earth." (p. 33)
Communism in the U.S.S.R. will overtake American dominace on the world stage. (p. 81)
The U.S. itself will be "taken over by communists." (p.132)
The U.S. could be "destroyed by a surprise Soviet nuclear attack." (p.132)
The U.S. could "become a dependent of the 10-nation European confederacy." (p. 132)
And on the back cover of this book are the words:
WE ARE THE GENERATION THAT WILL SEE THE END TIMES... AND THE RETURN OF JESUS.
But, the obvious question I have is this: Did Hal himself make these predictions or did he merely quote them from those so-called "computer nerds"?? BTW, I seriously doubt Hal called anyone a computer nerd. Just who's term is that?
I think Arley is spot on. The baby is still in the bath water. Those events are still lining up. But the important thing to notice is that they are lining up. All one has to do is watch the nightly news and see that prophecy is unfolding right before our eyes. I don't pretend to believe everything Hal or others like him say, but as the OP states, Hal does sense and project an urgency in these things as they are happening now. Who cares what he said 20+ years ago? Is what he's saying now true? Yes, I believe it is.
I also agree with what Retrobyter said; "We should restrict our focus to the ISSUES, not the teachers!"
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/7/2009 5:53:05 AM
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That list does not need much changing, to fit today's scenario of events. OK, so he missed the year by a couple. Remember that the baby is still in the bath tub, with the water.
Something is in the wind, and it doesn't smell like perfume. Sadly, now, if a person was able to come up with the dates, no one would listen to the individual, and would only make fun of him/her.
Therefore, I won't tell you when it is going to happen. So there.
In Messiah. Arley
LOL, if someone puts forth dates, most posters here would be lapping it up. Lindsey, so far, was off at least 25 years and counting. That is a quarter century..... and counting. Jim Jones, a "false Messiah", how original.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/7/2009 10:15:07 PM
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"But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so." ~ James 3:8-10
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I just watched a video of Hal Lindsey's called: "Planet Earth; The Final Chapter." Near as I could tell, this video was produced in 1998.
I listened very closely and intently, and found nothing that he said to be wrong or of a false prophecy. Everything he talked about has and/or is coming to fulfillment already. I should have taken notes and listed here all the things he said that have happened or are in the beginning stages now. He said this over 10 years ago, and I heard nothing that needed to be changed. At no time did he ever set a date or predict something to happen within a particular time frame. He simply said it looks like these things are coming soon.
As I listen to his weekly broadcasts, I have noticed a heightened sense of urgency in his words, and a more earnest appeal for the unsaved to receive the gift of pardon that Jesus offers them. I too have felt a sense of urgency to witness to my unsaved relatives and friends. I praise the Lord for that. I recently gave witness to a relative. It was received well, and I'm hoping and praying for their salvation. They may have received it already and I'm just not yet aware of it. I'll find out soon.
I am amazed at how fast bible prophecy is coming true, just within the last 10 years!
As I watched this video, I noticed one thing in particular. Hal is not a man who prophecies the future, but rather teaches biblical eschatology. There is a difference. I can list that below for those who would like to know. This just comes from the dictionary and encyclopedia.
Prophet [Gr.,=foreteller], a religious leader and spokesperson, particularly used in the Bible. The prophets emitted messages from the divine through inspired speech, the interpretation of omens and dreams, and the casting of lots and divination. The word derives from Greek cults, in which prophets interpreted answers to questions put to oracular mediums. The concept of a divine interpreter is common in religion, yet the function varies according to culture; thus the term can be defined only with respect to a particular religion. Usually prophet connotes inspired utterance of a spontaneous nature, while priest suggests established ritual duties.
Hal does not fit that description. ^
But he does fit this one....
Teacher: a person who teaches or instructs, especially as a profession; instructor.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/7/2009 11:14:21 PM
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Matthew59, Shalom.
I am in agreement with your words. OK, Hal made the unforgivable error of choosing a date, which didn't come to pass. Sadly, that was all the ammunition folks needed to condemn him of False Prophecy, and have now rejected the teachings as well as his error concerning the date.
Today, I believe, Hal understands the date, but will not now, nor ever, reveal what he believes. If Hal were to do that, again, and be off by so much as a week, he would be out of a job, and we would no longer have him as a serious student/teacher of End Times Prophecy. Everyone's loss.
My study indicates the Month and Year, even within 24 hours, the hour. I, too, made the error of suggesting the possibility of this information, and my brothers and sisters in Jesus, almost divorced me. That is fine, but I wonder who is wrong? I know, most likely me, I agree. All I know is what my study has indicated, and what the Spirit has helped me accumulate, and collate. Oh Well, I guess it matters not, since, IMO, every person who is alive, and has professed belief in Yashuah Ha Mashiach, will be snatched, right along with those who have a good idea it is coming, and when. Reason?, it is said that we all will be taken, some to gain, and some to loss. Some, I fear will compound the loss, by being so nasty to their family members. Enough-said.
All I will say is that I am busy trying to organize my small estate, so those in my family who may not be taken, will have something to fall back on during the tribulation. Without Rapture, I probably have about two or three years left, at most, and if He comes as I suspect, and expect, less time. Yeee-Haaa! I cannot loose, either way.  (BIG Cheesy GRIN) If i am right, I am truly looking forward to the expressions of shock on my families faces, as we ascend to our God. If I err, heh heh heh, you-all are stuck with me just a bit longer. (Double Decker, with Double Cheese)
These months yet to follow, will cause great emotional pain, with many tears shed. Laughing and Crying is very difficult to do (sort of like carrying a tune while inhaling), but we who are alive, and of the faithful, will, IMO, experience those dichotomous emotions, as we see unsaved people die, and yet know we are experiencing Prophecy fulfilled.
Little time remains, IMO, to witness to the unsaved, to hopefully convince them to open their hearts to the Holy Spirit, for conviction, and adoption into our Holy Family. Excuse please, but: Sit on your b__t, and suffer loss at the rewards judgment.
Whew, I had not planned on being so verbose. Think it is time for me to retire from this post, and pray not too many are upset by my words.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and Time-Schedule. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/7/2009 11:38:25 PM
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I just watched a video of Hal Lindsey's called: "Planet Earth; The Final Chapter." Near as I could tell, this video was produced in 1998.
I listened very closely and intently, and found nothing that he said to be wrong or of a false prophecy. Everything he talked about has and/or is coming to fulfillment already. I should have taken notes and listed here all the things he said that have happened or are in the beginning stages now. He said this over 10 years ago, and I heard nothing that needed to be changed. At no time did he ever set a date or predict something to happen within a particular time frame. He simply said it looks like these things are coming soon.
As I listen to his weekly broadcasts, I have noticed a heightened sense of urgency in his words, and a more earnest appeal for the unsaved to receive the gift of pardon that Jesus offers them. I too have felt a sense of urgency to witness to my unsaved relatives and friends. I praise the Lord for that. I recently gave witness to a relative. It was received well, and I'm hoping and praying for their salvation. They may have received it already and I'm just not yet aware of it. I'll find out soon.
There are far, far worse teachers out there than Hal Lindsey (Joel Osteen anyone?). At least Hal teaches the Word, even if he is a bit one dimensional at times. Hal has some good insights and I personally never heard him set dates, but I have heard JVI do it.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/7/2009 11:55:06 PM
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Today, I believe, Hal understands the date, but will not now, nor ever, reveal what he believes. If Hal were to do that, again, and be off by so much as a week, he would be out of a job, and we would no longer have him as a serious student/teacher of End Times Prophecy. Everyone's loss.
This statement brings to my mind something my Dad said just a couple of months ago. He has noticed that there really are no new (young) prophecy teachers coming up to take the place of such teachers like Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, and others. Hal is about 80 years old, and Jack ain't too far behind that age.
As my Dad and I discussed this, we came up with the conclusion that this may be because God knows there is no need for any new teachers in eschatology because we are so close to the fulfillment of things on God's prophetic time clock, that no new teachers are needed. The "old" ones we have now are all that's needed. They will live to be caught up in the rapture. I say "Amen" to that!
This was an interesting point my Dad made, especially since he previously hadn't believed as strongly in the imminence of the pretrib rapture as I do. I think he does now though, and I think it's because he is now retired and has been spending more time in the Word, and watching the news.
One doesn't need Hal to see that the time is near. One only needs to be watchful of the world events unfolding all around us daily. The bible says we won't know the "day or hour", but we WILL know when it's near, even at the doors (bridal chamber doors of an ancient Jewish wedding = Heaven's doors that we will sail through at the time of the rapture. Yeee Haaaa!!). God commands that we know when it's near. I'll take His command seriously. I know it's near, yes, even at the doors! So... I've got the Pam nonstick cooking spray ready, so bugs beware! I'm comin' through! LOL!!!
I'm going to end this post like you would, Arley.... 
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 12:13:57 AM
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Jack referenced the the passage in the Gospels that "this generation will by no means pass away until all these things are fulfilled" and interpreted that to mean no more than one generation would pass from the time Israel became a nation again in 1948 until the return of Christ. He went through a number of complex sounding calculations to estimate the average time of a generation as about 53 years and therefore the Rapture would occur in 2000 or 2001.
All that passage really means to me is that the Jews would continue as a distinquishable race until Christ returns. You have to look at the ways "this generation" as used by Christ.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 12:17:45 AM
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One doesn't need Hal to see that the time is near. One only needs to be watchful of the world events unfolding all around us daily.
Amen.
All you have to do is see what has happened in Israel over the last 100 years. The Jews have flooded back into the Land (as predicted, the population of Israel has increased about 10 fold), they became a nation again, recaptured Jerusalem, and are now "living at the center of the land" with walls and gates and bars, setting up the scenario of Ezekiel 38
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 12:37:10 AM
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Jack referenced the the passage in the Gospels that "this generation will by no means pass away until all these things are fulfilled" and interpreted that to mean no more than one generation would pass from the time Israel became a nation again in 1948 until the return of Christ. He went through a number of complex sounding calculations to estimate the average time of a generation as about 53 years and therefore the Rapture would occur in 2000 or 2001.
All that passage really means to me is that the Jews would continue as a distinquishable race until Christ returns. You have to look at the ways "this generation" as used by Christ.
Oh, okay. Now I see what you mean. However, as you may suspect, I don't see that as setting dates. I see that as merely saying that it "could" happen within that time frame. I am fully aware, as Jack is too I'm certainly sure, that God is the only one here who is omniscient. However, God does command (Greek imperative) that we will know when it's near. Jack's actual calculation was meant as a reference point, not a date set. He says a generation is 51.5 to 52 years. Add that to when Jerusalem came out from gentile possession and under Jewish (Israel's) control in 1967, and you come out to 2019. Back up 7 years to account for the time of the tribulation period, and you get 2012. Jack did say that, but he also said that this only "could" be the time of the rapture. He never set an actual date. Actually I believe it will happen within that time frame, but am not setting dates either. That's just my educated guess. I encourage you to listen to his weekly program if you aren't already, and you will soon see that what I'm saying is true. Okay??
Also, if you want to spend the money, get his video entitled: "December 21st 2012: History's Final Day?" Notice the question mark at the end there. In this video he says that he doesn't believe in setting dates, but is quoting others who have set that date of 12/21/2012. Jack emphatically states that he doesn't set that date for the rapture or second coming of Christ.
Again... Thanks for your answer to my question.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 11:56:55 AM
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"But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so." ~ James 3:8-10
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I just watched a video of Hal Lindsey's called: "Planet Earth; The Final Chapter." Near as I could tell, this video was produced in 1998.
Note that the video was about three decades after his book, The Late Great Planet Earth. That gave him plenty of time to clean up the details.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 11:59:40 AM
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Matthew59, Shalom.
I am in agreement with your words. OK, Hal made the unforgivable error of choosing a date, which didn't come to pass. Sadly, that was all the ammunition folks needed to condemn him of False Prophecy, and have now rejected the teachings as well as his error concerning the date.
Today, I believe, Hal understands the date, but will not now, nor ever, reveal what he believes. If Hal were to do that, again, and be off by so much as a week, he would be out of a job, and we would no longer have him as a serious student/teacher of End Times Prophecy. Everyone's loss.
My study indicates the Month and Year, even within 24 hours, the hour. I, too, made the error of suggesting the possibility of this information, and my brothers and sisters in Jesus, almost divorced me. That is fine, but I wonder who is wrong? I know, most likely me, I agree. All I know is what my study has indicated, and what the Spirit has helped me accumulate, and collate. Oh Well, I guess it matters not, since, IMO, every person who is alive, and has professed belief in Yashuah Ha Mashiach, will be snatched, right along with those who have a good idea it is coming, and when. Reason?, it is said that we all will be taken, some to gain, and some to loss. Some, I fear will compound the loss, by being so nasty to their family members. Enough-said.
I do hope you will give us the courtesy of a twenty-four hour advance notice.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 12:21:53 PM
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Here's another question. No one knows the day or the hour, but can someone know the YEAR. Can satan know the year? If satan knows the time of Creation (and he does), and if it is 6,000 years from that time, less the time Christ was on the earth, perhaps he can direct the cults accordingly.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 12:38:43 PM
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Actually, a 'Guess' is an opinion based upon little, or not evidence. A 'Theory' is based upon some knowledge, some evidence, and the means to observe, or seek additional evidence. Blah, Blah, Blah.
If our opinion, or prophecy is based upon Biblical understanding, God probably gets a good laugh at our attempts to sort Him out, but also appreciates our attempt to understand, and seek, His perfection.
The term: 'No man knows the day or the hour ....." IMO, is not an admonition, but actually an openly hidden clue, as to the day and hour. Rosh Hashanah (Yom Teruah, the Day of Blowing), better known to the Hebrew as Tishri-1 (starting at eyeballing the completion of sunset, and starting the day), no one knows, until all is verified according to Mosaic Law. Once Tishri-1 begins, we know the day. At the setting of the sun, which ends Tishri-1, sets the time for the 'Last Trump' to be blown,.........and the last trump of the day.......Ta-Dah...'Last Trump.' (the 99 prior to the LT, is the warm-up act)
All we have to do is collate the information in God's word, to understand that though we may not know the exact day (based upon New Moon Sighting), nor the exact minute (based on physical viewing from Jerusalem), we sure can, with our Scientific knowledge, know within a few minutes, if not seconds.
Ah, yes, The Year. What year is this going to happen? The $64,000 question, is a bit more difficult to discern, until we use His 'Signs in the Sun, Sky, and Stars. Then, even the year can be intelligently be considered. IMO, this is truly where 'Date-Setters' make the grandest of errors, based upon one true factor: They think that nothing can be any worse than what they see; and in reality, they haven't seen anything yet, as an old Vaudeville performer once used as his opening line. Jimmy Durante was his name. Oooops, showing age again.
Since honest students of God's word, for the last two thousand years, have all been wrong with their projective/prophecies, I cannot blame the multitude of the 'Church,' from being a bit cautious in their acceptance of today's well intended, though probably in error, attempts to wake up the Church, to keep the watch. If anyone hears some 'Prophet' telling everyone to sell, give-away, or anything except 'Keep the Watch, and prepare, SHUN THAT PERSON. Yeee-Haaa! (Sailor for: Battle Stations, we have a FOOL giving orders, and needs to be thrown overboard) (one of my longer, more dangerous Yeee-Haaa's!)
I reiterate from my previous posts, as well as others of my ilk, Hal is not wrong. He only began seeing the problem, long before we could appreciate the vision. What the 'Watchmen' espouse, is not False-Prophesying, folks. We who study this part of God's word, are only trying to alert the 'other parts' of the body of the impending Joy we all are about to experience; as those 'other parts' do what they do best, and offer to those like me, who need their expertise, just as much as they need ours.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and May we all benefit from each others expertise, to perfect the body. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 12:44:57 PM
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Hal is not wrong.
I agree with him that we'll never see 1980 arrive on this planet, we'll all be raptured long before then.
Neither the Church nor the world need that kind of Watchman, sending out false alarms. He's the modern version of the little boy that has called "wolf" a few times too many.
To simpleminded folk like me, he lost all his charm and credibility through his sense of urgency all those times before. A doctor with his rate of diagnoses would be called a quack. A theologian on any other subject in scripture would be labeled a heretic. But the teflon-eschatolgists just keeps on picking up support.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 2:13:45 PM
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Actually, a 'Guess' is an opinion based upon little, or not evidence. A 'Theory' is based upon some knowledge, some evidence, and the means to observe, or seek additional evidence. Blah, Blah, Blah.
Sure Arley... That's basically what I meant by "guess". Perhaps I should have been more precise when I used that term. Maybe I should have used the word "theory" instead, but that wouldn't have worked as well within the context of my sentence structure I used. To me a "guess" is just as you stated a theory is: based on knowledge and evidence. <<<Basically, all things considered, to form one's guess... or as I like to call it; a "guesstimation". That's "guess" + "estimation" all crammed into one word. LOL!! But yah, I think of a guess as an educated opinion derived from all sources of knowledge and evidence available. To guess otherwise would be... well... unwise and of no value.
Did I get that said right this time?
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 2:19:36 PM
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Actually, a 'Guess' is an opinion based upon little, or not evidence. A 'Theory' is based upon some knowledge, some evidence, and the means to observe, or seek additional evidence. Blah, Blah, Blah.
If our opinion, or prophecy is based upon Biblical understanding, God probably gets a good laugh at our attempts to sort Him out, but also appreciates our attempt to understand, and seek, His perfection.
The term: 'No man knows the day or the hour ....." IMO, is not an admonition, but actually an openly hidden clue, as to the day and hour. Rosh Hashanah (Yom Teruah, the Day of Blowing), better known to the Hebrew as Tishri-1 (starting at eyeballing the completion of sunset, and starting the day), no one knows, until all is verified according to Mosaic Law. Once Tishri-1 begins, we know the day. At the setting of the sun, which ends Tishri-1, sets the time for the 'Last Trump' to be blown,.........and the last trump of the day.......Ta-Dah...'Last Trump.' (the 99 prior to the LT, is the warm-up act)
All we have to do is collate the information in God's word, to understand that though we may not know the exact day (based upon New Moon Sighting), nor the exact minute (based on physical viewing from Jerusalem), we sure can, with our Scientific knowledge, know within a few minutes, if not seconds.
Ah, yes, The Year. What year is this going to happen? The $64,000 question, is a bit more difficult to discern, until we use His 'Signs in the Sun, Sky, and Stars. Then, even the year can be intelligently be considered. IMO, this is truly where 'Date-Setters' make the grandest of errors, based upon one true factor: They think that nothing can be any worse than what they see; and in reality, they haven't seen anything yet, as an old Vaudeville performer once used as his opening line. Jimmy Durante was his name. Oooops, showing age again.
Since honest students of God's word, for the last two thousand years, have all been wrong with their projective/prophecies, I cannot blame the multitude of the 'Church,' from being a bit cautious in their acceptance of today's well intended, though probably in error, attempts to wake up the Church, to keep the watch. If anyone hears some 'Prophet' telling everyone to sell, give-away, or anything except 'Keep the Watch, and prepare, SHUN THAT PERSON. Yeee-Haaa! (Sailor for: Battle Stations, we have a FOOL giving orders, and needs to be thrown overboard) (one of my longer, more dangerous Yeee-Haaa's!)
I reiterate from my previous posts, as well as others of my ilk, Hal is not wrong. He only began seeing the problem, long before we could appreciate the vision. What the 'Watchmen' espouse, is not False-Prophesying, folks. We who study this part of God's word, are only trying to alert the 'other parts' of the body of the impending Joy we all are about to experience; as those 'other parts' do what they do best, and offer to those like me, who need their expertise, just as much as they need ours.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and May we all benefit from each others expertise, to perfect the body. Arley
Arley, I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your posts. You have a great, lighthearted way about you, brother, and it gives me joy!
And just so I can really stir the pot, I have a novel coming out next fall that should get people talking (and yes, I'm a commercially-published writer, with three suspense novels out, and I'm repped by one of the best literary agents in the biz). Here's the sell-sheet that was used to land the contract, and it summarizes the plot pretty well:
The Bible makes it clear no one knows the day or the hour the catching away of the church will occur. But it doesn’t say we won’t know the month. Or the week…
HEADING HOME is based on just such an exhilarating—and terrifying—premise: what if you knew?
For industrialist Nick Castle and his best friend (and head of plant security) CT Barnes, life is good. Their tour in Vietnam as helicopter door gunners is a haunting memory thousands of miles away, and over three decades in the past.
Until the night everything changes. The night every Christian on earth simultaneously receives two words whispered deep in their hearts. Simple words that are shattering in their implication.
This week.
The meaning is clear to every believer: the prophecy has come true at last. Sometime in the next seven days Jesus Christ is returning for his people. And with that, the entire planet slips into frenzied overdrive.
The story focuses on the ensuing worldwide clash of wills, placing it in microcosm as Nick faces not only the final countdown, but the beginning of a very personal journey as well. He’s received a leading that cannot be denied or refused. He and CT have been instructed to find their comrades from the war—men who’d suffered horrible injuries on their last disastrous mission together—and offer them the saving, healing, delivering power of God.
But unseen and in silence, the enemy has a plan of his own.
A death-maddened would-be Satanist known only as Sangre blames Nick’s church for the loss of his concubine when she left him to become a Christian. Now he’s vowed to drench that assembly in blood, and to make every member there pay with their lives.
Manifested glory. Insane evil. Who will survive, for better days than these?
The book's called Heading Home, and it'll be out with Sheaf House in Fall, '10. Let the slings and arrows begin.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 2:34:57 PM
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If the entire book flows as well as your above sell-sheet, you may have a winner, if even short lived, as far as profit to you (inside JC family joke). I will be looking forward to a good read, providing the travail of the times allows any time to be set aside from God's direction of my job, which calls for an: Yeeee-Haaaa! (Sailor for: Dawn of the most exciting time in Man's history).
In Messiah, His Shalom. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/8/2009 2:43:34 PM
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Hal is not wrong.
I agree with him that we'll never see 1980 arrive on this planet, we'll all be raptured long before then.
Oh man! I was so looking forward to the 80's.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/9/2009 1:30:00 AM
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Here's another question. No one knows the day or the hour, but can someone know the YEAR. Can satan know the year? If satan knows the time of Creation (and he does), and if it is 6,000 years from that time, less the time Christ was on the earth, perhaps he can direct the cults accordingly.
Excellent question and statement, yzf-r1.
Has this question been given an answer yet?? I don't see one, except maybe within what SuspenseWriter wrote, and my consequent reply.....
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The Bible makes it clear no one knows the day or the hour the catching away of the church will occur. But it doesn’t say we won’t know the month. Or the week…
Oh wow! I've wondered that same thing. And here I thought I was just being too inquisitive when I've brought that up before elsewhere than this thread. And yah, just like I said before, it also doesn't say we can't guess... or theorize.
I don't know if the devil or anyone else can know the year. I would have to say I doubt anyone can "know" the year, but merely give an opinion based on biblical truth and the world events going on right now. Like I've said before, I personally believe the rapture will "most likely" happen sometime before the end of 2012. Could it happen this year? Sure. I see nothing stopping it from happening. But like you asked, I don't think we can "know" the year. But we sure can have a very very educated theory or guess on it.
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