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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/14/2009 9:41:38 PM
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Shalom, Matthew-59, and all. Here is the Lamb and Lion site: http://www.lamblion.com/ You ask: "Do you know if or how Dewey Bruton's teachings match up with Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, Grant Jeffrey, or Perry Stone's teaching? I would imagine they all must be pretty close. I especially like Perry Stone's teaching on this stuff because he really gets more into the Hebraic aspect of things. Since I have never heard of Dewey Bruton, I don't know where he's coming from. I may have to check it out." Dewey's teaching actually goes to a finite setting of dates, which, of course, is dangerous. I have checked his calcupelating as best I can, and all the pieces seem to fit perfectly. I layed his calculations beside the eclipse cycles of the times, and the other stuff I mentioned in my other posts, and the compilation of all the portions fit perfectly into the time frame of Fall Feasts 2009, through the Fall Feasts 2016, with 2016-17 being the 120th Jubilee year. The Big-Time people, Perry, Hal, JVI, and so on, strictly stay away from setting dates, as they all, IMO, have been burned at least once by missing something, and being wrong, to their Chagrin. However, what they do say, and the intensity, with which they say it, seems to indicate they expect to see all happen within the Decade, which offers more than enough time for the Seven to fit in. I have no problem with setting on the tip of the branch as I saw the limb off between me and the trunk. I have no reputation, as to my brilliance, except within a small group of people, but I am convinced enough of the overall picture being accurate, I offer my counsel that if you do not have a Will, make one, and do not forget to place a provision for your suddenly disappearing, so your estate is not tied up for decades, as the attorneys eat up the value, so that family ends up with nothing. Do not take your money, and spend it, nor sell, nor give away anything. If I am wrong, and history indicates that I probably am, you will not be happy with me nor yourself, if I prove wrong, and you prove broke. My daughter and her husband fell into that trap in the late 1980's. They sold and gave away everything they owned, only to find out that their 'minister' was WRONG, and they were destitute. I had to step in and assist them, until they were on their feet, financially, again. Oh, they had quit their jobs. Sheesh!////\\\\ Their need was great, and their Great Dad stepped up to the plate, and bailed them out............Oh,.................I do love talking about their Dad............ME!.........and of course......JESUS! Enough said. Has is very concerned. JVI is very concerned. Perry Stone is concerned. Who is Grant Jeffery? (If he is not on Dish, I don't receive him). Dewey Bruton tells it as he sees it, right, or wrong. I respect that in a man. Check out the information, again at: www.danielstimeline.com www.lamblion.com/ www.kaluach.org (for calendar), http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse.html http://onehundredmonths.org/ http://www.cogwriter.com/six_thousand_year_plan_6000.htm These sites may help in the study of the End Times. In Messiah, His Shalom, and Breath of His Spirit. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/15/2009 2:44:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: Matthew-59 We're talking about a major world event between many countries I doubt it, just the usual Middle East players. But doesn't the bible state that it will be "kings of the north" (Russia), "kings of the east" (China +), and "kings of the south" (Egypt +). Can't remember if it states anything about kings of the west, but if it does, that may be Africa I would suppose. Could even be the US, but I hope not. However, "O" seems to be turning his back on them already. Big surprise there... NOT. quote:
The antichrist will have such diplomatic power and will be such a great salesman (remember, he has a mortal wound to the head which is healed, so people will tend to listen), that he will make this pseudo peace happen. I think Obama is kind of a precursor to this guy, very charismatic. We're on the same page here. That's for sure. To be honest, "O" is a bit scary with his "messiah" complex and celebrity status around the world, not just with this nation's people who voted for him. I wonder what Hal Lindsey would say about this if he could be so bold on his TV program?
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/15/2009 3:06:07 AM
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret Do not take your money, and spend it, nor sell, nor give away anything. If I am wrong, and history indicates that I probably am, you will not be happy with me nor yourself, if I prove wrong, and you prove broke. My daughter and her husband fell into that trap in the late 1980's. They sold and gave away everything they owned, only to find out that their 'minister' was WRONG, and they were destitute. I had to step in and assist them, until they were on their feet, financially, again. Oh, they had quit their jobs. Sheesh!////\\\\ Their need was great, and their Great Dad stepped up to the plate, and bailed them out............Oh,.................I do love talking about their Dad............ME!.........and of course......JESUS! Are you sure you don't want all my money?? No, I'm not so persuaded to such foolishness. I'm sorry to hear of your daughter's situation though. That is very unfortunate indeed. I'm sure they learned a good lesson from it though, huh? I guess if one learns from mistakes and doesn't repeat them, then it may be okay. We all make mistakes in life. I know I sure have. My Dad (who is about your age) has told me of things like this happening years ago. I've heard of it elsewhere too. I guess some so called prophets told of specific dates and actually told people to sell everything they owned, and give away all their money (Yah, most likely to the prophet who told them that junk). I suppose it's because of such things like that which gave "every" prophecy teacher a bad name.... including Hal Lindsey +. That's unfortunate for sure. quote:
Who is Grant Jeffery? (If he is not on Dish, I don't receive him). Grant is from Canada, and hosts a program on TBN Wednesdays at 7:30pm Central Time. I think it's called; "Bible Prophecy Revealed". He made a video some years ago on the mysterious Bible codes. Very interesting stuff. I've seen this same subject discussed on "Ancient Secrets of The Bible" also on TBN. Grant has been around for a long time. I've been watching him for quite a few years already. He seems to agree with Hal, Jack, Perry, etc.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/15/2009 12:34:37 PM
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Thanks Matthew-59 Grant is now logged onto my 'recorder,' so I can study his teaching. I think I do remember a bit about him, from a year or two ago. For some reason, I took umbrage to his teaching, and took him off my viewing list. Oh, Well, no one ever ever accused me of being, uh ,,, uh,,, Oh--Smart...only inquisitive, like a gorilla. Maybe I/ we should express something to the world, as I seem to be seeing more Nay-Sayers, and Put-Downers, coming forth to accuse Pre-Trib types as dumb, and almost sinful. I, for one, and I am sure most of the Pre-Trib types, have great """"H O P E"""" that Jesus is coming for the Church before the Tribulation starts the seven years of Hell on Earth. If I/we are in error, no one has lost a thing, of tangible nature, only a bit of pride in ability to read between the lines, of God's Word. We can counter one thing though: At least we are reading His Word. From me, to those who do not agree with the Pre-Trib Rapture: I respect your study, and conclusions, what-ever-they-may-be. If you cannot respect mine, and only wish to yell in my face, I forgive you, and pray that Jesus also will. Two weeks, Twenty months, or Two Hundred Years, really doesn't matter, only that I will be with Him matters. No Rapture? Fine. I win any way the cookie crumbles, because I am going to graduate to my God, alone, or in a crowd, but graduate I will. Amen. Yeeeeuuuuuck!!! Somber almost Hurts. Think I will go practice walking the plank for a while. I do love tempting the sharks. They loose so many teeth, biting down on the Armor of God, it is almost a comedy act. In Messiah, His Shalom, and First Class Reservation Please. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/15/2009 3:18:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret Maybe I/ we should express something to the world, as I seem to be seeing more Nay-Sayers, and Put-Downers, coming forth to accuse Pre-Trib types as dumb, and almost sinful. Is this really happening here on the forum? I've not seen it here on this thread. Have you? Or is it happening on some other thread you are posting on? Oh yeah...it happens a lot! Those of us that even hint that the Lord will take His church out soon are seen as "stupid" by lots and lots of "Christians." But it doesn't bother me enough to "report" them...just no point to it. And, who knows? They could be right...about the timing, I mean! There's just no point in arguing over something like that. I'm with Arley...I've always been taught at the pre-trib school and it (the Rapture and all the other end-times stuff) looks soon to me but, if it's not soon or if it's mid- or post-trib, so what? It doesn't matter...it's a win for me, anyway. I'm more concerned with the part of eternity that comes after this earthly lfe...whenever it starts!
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/15/2009 3:35:34 PM
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Thanks Pete, and Shalom. I was more venting, not so much at this Forum, but everywhere. I post on two other Forums, one big, and one tiny, but I was venting at articles I see printed. I just read one this morning, referred to me by another Prophecy student, where the article might have been written by my President, full of denial, and condemnation, and not one drop of reference as to why my beliefs are in error. The article, IMO,(gotta qualify this as a how I saw the verbiage) would have convinced me that I, and everyone else of my ilk are Idiots. I would have believed him, if I were smart enough to do so. Ha. Well, I guess it is back to the swimming pool. I do hate taking laps, in that pool. I find it tiring to do even one lap, around the Pacific ocean. or for that matter the Atlantic In Messiah. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/15/2009 3:44:38 PM
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Euty, Shalom. OK, time for a word game : you say: "That will come within the next 50 years for most of us and a lot, lot sooner for others of us. " Even Nostradummiss was brave enough to guess closer than with a 50 year cussion, for accuracy. heh heh heh My friend, you must be more brave than that. ha ha ha ha. I don't know why, but that time you offered just struck me a very funny, considering hardly anyone reading your words will probably be mortal when your time frame closes. Sorry, I just found it cute, especially at my age. I am concerned about five, and you are talking fifty. Sheeeeeesh! Off my scope. Oooops, I forgot, I have to go take a lap, for my weird humor. Besides the sharks need a good bait to chase. In Messiah. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/15/2009 4:54:45 PM
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Well, at 50 more years, that would put me at about 95. Like I said before somewhere, I doubt I'll look very good at that age. Not assuming that I'm such a stunning strapping young lad now. But, I seemed to have slipped off topic here somewhere. Maybe I fell into that swimming pool and have become a tantalizing treat for those sharks Arley was talking about. I would swim faster, but my truss keeps falling down. So, what's going to be on Hal's report tonight? I know already. I get an email notice in advance. It is unusually long this week. He must have a lot to say. As I read his email, I couldn't help but notice his disapproval for President (or should I say king?) Obama and his treatment towards Israel lately. I'm looking forward to the program to hear more about this issue. I've also noticed this same thing being reported on national news, but most likely not as indepth as Hal will report. Here's just an excerpt of what Hal said, and will talk about on his upcoming program.... King Abdullah of Jordan made the "Report" a second straight week. Once again, he's warning that war will come to the Middle East within 12 to 18 months if the Palestinians don't get a state -- and now! After putting a little pressure on President Obama -- he's generously giving him the rest of the year to solve the Middle East peace problem -- he graciously admitted that, unlike previous administrations, the Obama Administration "gets it." By that, he means that President Obama understands that what's needed is not a two-state solution, but a 57-state solution, i.e., the 57 states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC). Those are the world's nations that do NOT recognize Israel's existence. Abdullah is guaranteeing that if Israel cedes land within its borders to the Palestinians for a sovereign state, those 57 nations will welcome the Israelis with "open arms." Forget the fact that those 57 states CANNOT recognize Israel because of their Islamic theology, we'll apparently cross that bridge when we come to it. By the way, when Abdullah's father, King Hussein, controlled the West Bank (only 40 years ago), he didn't bother to give it to his Muslim brothers for a homeland. Yet his son and the rest of the Arab world want Israel to do now what they would not do then.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/16/2009 3:03:07 AM
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I don't know to much history of Hal but I wonder sometimes about people who were born into a Christian family and believe they have been Christian their entire lives. Which is impossible. I sometimes ask if they've ever felt the Holy Spirit and if they haven't then what is guiding them? Aside from that, it very well could be the word of God coming from them... It's a tricky road to follow for sure.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/16/2009 10:38:11 AM
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Aleric, Shalom. Well said. Perhaps the answer of Hal and others having the Holy Spirit, should be like a mirror. When watching, and hearing them, what does the Holy Spirit, in you, say? Any Fool, can follow a False Prophet, who intentionally misleads, if no one has Holy Spirit in their heart. Secondly: What Hal and others teach, need be studied in one's own Bible, as meat for pondering, not necessarily 'Glorious words from Christ,' unless the person say's they are. That is when one must microscope the speaker, for his Holy Spirit indwelling. I've said it before, and hold to my belief that Has, and many others, do the best they can to alert the Church to the dangerous times we dwell in, and especially their warning to keep the watch, for the soon return of Messiah, be it 50 minutes, 50 hours, or 50 years, away. We do not know. Students of Prophecy, however, seem to be somewhat in agreement that the experience of Tribulation is very very close. Me, well, let us just say, keep your hair combed, teeth brushed, and flight jacket on your back. Events of the day still 'seem' to be lacking the capacity for what the teachings say to me, but after five children, I know how fast travail can maximize and cu lminate in the birth of new life. Even though I cannot mortally run anymore, I still wear my running shoes. Tishrei 1, is gonna be a big day for me to watch and see what happens (Sept. 19 + - ). I may even spend the day setting in the front yard, grinning at the few cars that pass by my house, so that should He call us away, I won't damage the roof of my home too much. Yeee-Haaa!! (Sailor for: no head-aches here please.) (Oh, I have a steel roof, sortta like my submarine had, only thinner) I am rambling, so better go play at walking the plank, and teasing the sharks (unbelievers). In Messiah, His Shalom to one and all, and Read my signature line...Very Important folks.......Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/16/2009 12:12:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: Matthew-59 Here's just an excerpt of what Hal said, and will talk about on his upcoming program.... King Abdullah of Jordan made the "Report" a second straight week. Once again, he's warning that war will come to the Middle East within 12 to 18 months if the Palestinians don't get a state -- and now! After putting a little pressure on President Obama -- he's generously giving him the rest of the year to solve the Middle East peace problem -- he graciously admitted that, unlike previous administrations, the Obama Administration "gets it." By that, he means that President Obama understands that what's needed is not a two-state solution, but a 57-state solution, i.e., the 57 states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC). Those are the world's nations that do NOT recognize Israel's existence. Abdullah is guaranteeing that if Israel cedes land within its borders to the Palestinians for a sovereign state, those 57 nations will welcome the Israelis with "open arms." Forget the fact that those 57 states CANNOT recognize Israel because of their Islamic theology, we'll apparently cross that bridge when we come to it. By the way, when Abdullah's father, King Hussein, controlled the West Bank (only 40 years ago), he didn't bother to give it to his Muslim brothers for a homeland. Yet his son and the rest of the Arab world want Israel to do now what they would not do then. Interesting. I wish this thread was more focused on these types of issues. As Hal indiciated before, "two states" are no solution, that will just fuel the ongoing proxy war.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/16/2009 12:49:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: Matthew-59 It will be interesting to see if king Abdullah will make good on his threat. For Israel's sake, I hope it won't happen. " he's warning that war will come to the Middle East within 12 to 18 months if the Palestinians don't get a state -- and now! " Yeah...and he's supposed to be the most "moderate" Middle East leader!
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/17/2009 11:40:29 AM
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Shalom, Arley. quote:
ORIGINAL: navyblueret Peter_Gunn, Shalom. The mechanical Hebrew calendar says that Shavuot/Pentecost is on May 28/29, but based upon the New Moon sighting (God's pure timepiece), the fifty days is on the 30/31st. We wont know how critical it is to use which system, but the mechanical calendar is the only one we can use to calculate events in the future with, since no one knows the exact day or hour of any New Moon, as sighted from Jerusalem. I can say only one thing about Pentecost, and that is a total: IMO, and that is that Pentecost may well have an active part to play, not only in the Spring Feasts, but also the Fall. Simple logic: Three major Feasts, where all adult men must go to Jerusalem, Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Passover, the crucifixion/resurrection is fully filled. Tabernacles, is yet to be fulfilled, on Christ's return to rule. Pentecost, on the other hand, has to do with the Holy Spirit, descending upon the Disciples, following Christ's Ascension. IMO, God seems to love 'balance, in His creation, and probably would not leave Tabernacles hanging out there, on the end, without the balance of Pentecost leveling the playing field, and tying both ends of Jesus' Prophetic happenings together. Therefore, the echo bouncing around in my skull, makes me think that something to do with the Holy Spirit might be tied in to the End-times happenings. The only thing that I can think of is that the Rapture, could happen, but since everyone hates that type thinking, I won't say a word about it, lest the Nay-Sayer's give me the old 'Raspberry' and 'Hooting-Nanny.' So don't no one even ask me about the possibility of me being wrong, and the Rapture possibly being earlier than I believe, or hope. But, as soon as I have anything tangible, I will be Yeee-Haaa'ing all over the place. In Messiah, His Shalom, and Critical Eye. Arley As a Messianic believer, we have counted 38 days of the omer and tonight at sundown will be the 39th day of the omer. That calculates that the 50th day of the omer (pentekostee in Greek meaning "fiftieth") would be on Thursday evening, May 28, 2009. HOWEVER, there is some history to this date: There was at one time a dispute as to when the counting should begin. The Pharisees believed that G-d gave Moses an oral Torah along with the written Torah, and according to that oral Torah the word "Shabbat" in Lev. 23:15 referred to the first day of Passover, which is a "Shabbat" in the sense that no work is permitted on the day (Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are both referred to as "Shabbat" in this sense, though they cannot both occur on a Saturday in the same year; see Lev. 23:24 and 23:32; see also Lev. 23:39 the first and eight days of Sukkot are called "Shabbat"). In this view, held by most Jews today, the counting begins on the second night of Passover, that is, the day after the non-working day of Passover. The Tzedukim (Sadducees) rejected the idea of an oral Torah and believed that the word "Shabbat" in Lev. 23:15 referred to the Shabbat of the week when Pesach began, so counting would always begin on a Saturday night during Passover. The Sadducees no longer exist; today, only a small sect call the Karaites follow this view. The rest of this article can be found at Judaism 101. The truth is that BOTH could be correct ... on certain years! Ironically, the calculation for Pentecost Sunday follows the Tzedukim teaching! Go figure! Roy
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/17/2009 4:48:54 PM
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Roy, Shalom. Thanks for the information. I have to admit, when I decided to figure out where Pentecost/Shavuot was supposed to be, I did my research before I knew anything about the Rabbinical teaching, and I didn't even know about a Karaite anything. The first I heard about them was when Michael Rood introduced Neamea Gordon, when he was decoding the Hebrew book of Matthew. I will go to Judaism 101, and restudy Leviticus. I fear, however, I must stay with what I learned in Leviticus, until I find myself in error. So, again, thanks, your knowledge is much help in my quest for truth. In Messiah, His Shalom. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/18/2009 10:09:44 PM
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Here is an excerpt from an article written by Christians United For Israel's executive director David Brog. Now I know this isn't Hal Lindsey who wrote this, but I do know he would definitly agree with it. ------- Netanyahu Cometh- May 18, 2009 As I write this on Monday morning, Binyamin Netanyahu is about to arrive at the White House for the much anticipated first meeting between the new Israeli Prime Minister and the new American President. Netanyahu postponed this visit by a few weeks so that he could finish formulating his government's policies on the peace process. Now he will present these proposals to President Obama in person. Many friends of Israel are worried that President Obama will pressure Netanyahu into making risky territoritorial concessions before there is a reliable Palestinian partner to receive them. There is reason for such concern. The Administration has sent a series of strong signals that it intends to obtain a peace agreement on an expedited basis. Such talk of a quick peace raises the question of whether the Administration is sufficiently wary of the difficult realities which have so often turned the best of intentions into the most tragic of results. Yet we cannot judge the Administration on the basis of signals and conjecture. The fact is that we do not yet know what Netanyahu will propose. Nor do we know how Obama will respond. We will know a lot more Monday night than we do Monday morning. And we will probably get the most important. details in the weeks and months to come. As these facts emerge, we will be able to judge the Administration by the only relevant criteria: its actions. The Israelis have shown a strong and consistent interest in peace and a two-state solution. They have repeatedly elected prime ministers who campaigned on the promise to aggresivley pursue land-for-peace policies. We need to remember that most Israelis don't view land for peace as a gift to the Palestinians. They see withdrawing from the West Bank and Gaza as the only way to preserve Israel as both a Jewish and a democratic state. If Israel retains these heavily populated Arab territories, most experts believe that these Arabs will outnumber Israel's Jews in the very near future. Yet while Israelis may support land for peace in priciple, they have grown wary of it in practice. Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon was followed by thousands of Hezbollah missiles landing in northern Israel. Israel's withdrawal from Gaza was rewarded by thousands of Hamas missiles landing in southern Israel. Israelis understand that if the strategic high ground of the West Bank fell into Hamas' hands, Israel's major population and industrial centers would all be within range of Hamas missiles. Thus there is a reason why Israelis elected Binyamin Netanyahu. Concessions have not brought progress. -------------------------------------------------------- To read the entire article, click here. It's now Monday evening, and I haven't heard how or even if the meeting went between Obama and Netanyahu. I'm pretty sure Netanyahu won't give land for peace, because that's what he has said before. I actually heard and saw him on Glenn Beck's show on CNN a year or so ago. That's when he stated that giving land for peace won't work because it hasn't in the past. I'll be very interested to hear how or if his meeting with Obama went. I'm also sure Hal will most likely be talking on this subject on this week's program. Don't want to miss that one.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/22/2009 4:21:29 PM
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This is interesting (to me, anyway)... Click on the 5/22 Watchman Warning video
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 5/23/2009 12:25:57 PM
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I really enjoy Hal's show...watch every week now and always learn something.
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