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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/1/2009 8:38:34 PM
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kyridgeman
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The test of a true Prophet is to be 100% accurate based on the teachings from the Old Testament. Hal Lindsey failed. He may give some good insight but has lost his credibility with most people because of his inaccuracies.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/1/2009 8:59:47 PM
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I am sure that someone has mentioned this, but for all the years I have tuned in to watch Hal Lindsey, I do not remember one time where he stated his status as Prophet, of anything. Now, Watchman on the Wall, yep, he has espoused that too many times to count. Oh, Garshk, look at my signature line. I espouse being a Watchman, also, and cry out for everyone to be, as does Hal.
If anyone knows, honestly, that Hal ever claimed to be a Prophet, please let me know, so I can denigrate him also. I am not talking about date-setting, because I know of not one date-setter, who didn't claim to arrive at the date conclusion, from any primary source than the Bible. Some would throw in non-biblical 'Seer' prophecies, but we are talking about Hal, so I will stop that bit, right there.
Please, please, show me where I can call Hal Lindsey a False Prophet. Do it soon, folks, as what I see in God's word, and compilation of information garnered from other Bible scholars, we don't have much time left to play this game of 'Pin the Tail on Hal.'
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/1/2009 9:35:33 PM
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But... as yzf-r1 said, the decline of the U.S.A. fits the prophetic scenario.
Actually, it's something Hal has been saying for a long time, but it makes sense that the U.S. will swiftly decline as an economic, military, and political superpower, and Europe will rise. Soon, the 10 core nations of old Rome, the 10 horns of Revelation 17 and Daniel 2, will emerge as a new world power and rival/surpass China and Russia.
I just wanted to say I second this notion. Everyone is looking to China's economy and its rapid growth, but not a lot of high profile news makers are highlighting the fact that China's economy is on the brink of collapse as well. With all of the nations that have sunk financial roots into China, a collapsing Chinese economy coupled with a collapsing US economy is going to drastically redistribute world power.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/1/2009 9:44:01 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, ManimalX.
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ORIGINAL: Matthew-59
But... as yzf-r1 said, the decline of the U.S.A. fits the prophetic scenario.
Actually, it's something Hal has been saying for a long time, but it makes sense that the U.S. will swiftly decline as an economic, military, and political superpower, and Europe will rise. Soon, the 10 core nations of old Rome, the 10 horns of Revelation 17 and Daniel 2, will emerge as a new world power and rival/surpass China and Russia.
I just wanted to say I second this notion. Everyone is looking to China's economy and its rapid growth, but not a lot of high profile news makers are highlighting the fact that China's economy is on the brink of collapse as well. With all of the nations that have sunk financial roots into China, a collapsing Chinese economy coupled with a collapsing US economy is going to drastically redistribute world power.
I agree. Despite the growing economy of China, its political system of communism (or an oligarchy of power) will naturally limit its growth.
(I have to wonder if the underground churches in China have something to do with whatever successes they have experienced in recent years! We may never know the whole truth.)
In the Messiah's love,
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/1/2009 10:06:10 PM
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Shalom, ManimalX.
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ORIGINAL: yzf-r1
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ORIGINAL: Matthew-59
But... as yzf-r1 said, the decline of the U.S.A. fits the prophetic scenario.
Actually, it's something Hal has been saying for a long time, but it makes sense that the U.S. will swiftly decline as an economic, military, and political superpower, and Europe will rise. Soon, the 10 core nations of old Rome, the 10 horns of Revelation 17 and Daniel 2, will emerge as a new world power and rival/surpass China and Russia.
I just wanted to say I second this notion. Everyone is looking to China's economy and its rapid growth, but not a lot of high profile news makers are highlighting the fact that China's economy is on the brink of collapse as well. With all of the nations that have sunk financial roots into China, a collapsing Chinese economy coupled with a collapsing US economy is going to drastically redistribute world power.
I agree. Despite the growing economy of China, its political system of communism (or an oligarchy of power) will naturally limit its growth.
(I have to wonder if the underground churches in China have something to do with whatever successes they have experienced in recent years! We may never know the whole truth.)
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
Hi Roy,
I didn't know much about China's economy until I recently had to do a term paper on South Korea's economy as it relates to other Asian economies. China is extremely overextended and hyperinflation is almost inevitable. I said above that China's economy is on the brink of collapse, but there are many economists who say that it is OVER the brink, hanging eerily in mid-air like Wily E. Coyote for several seconds after he runs off of a cliff... by many accounts China should be going under already but is hanging in somehow.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/1/2009 11:42:22 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom again, ManimalX.
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Shalom, ManimalX.
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ORIGINAL: yzf-r1
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ORIGINAL: Matthew-59
But... as yzf-r1 said, the decline of the U.S.A. fits the prophetic scenario.
Actually, it's something Hal has been saying for a long time, but it makes sense that the U.S. will swiftly decline as an economic, military, and political superpower, and Europe will rise. Soon, the 10 core nations of old Rome, the 10 horns of Revelation 17 and Daniel 2, will emerge as a new world power and rival/surpass China and Russia.
I just wanted to say I second this notion. Everyone is looking to China's economy and its rapid growth, but not a lot of high profile news makers are highlighting the fact that China's economy is on the brink of collapse as well. With all of the nations that have sunk financial roots into China, a collapsing Chinese economy coupled with a collapsing US economy is going to drastically redistribute world power.
I agree. Despite the growing economy of China, its political system of communism (or an oligarchy of power) will naturally limit its growth.
(I have to wonder if the underground churches in China have something to do with whatever successes they have experienced in recent years! We may never know the whole truth.)
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
Hi Roy,
I didn't know much about China's economy until I recently had to do a term paper on South Korea's economy as it relates to other Asian economies. China is extremely overextended and hyperinflation is almost inevitable. I said above that China's economy is on the brink of collapse, but there are many economists who say that it is OVER the brink, hanging eerily in mid-air like Wily E. Coyote for several seconds after he runs off of a cliff... by many accounts China should be going under already but is hanging in somehow.
Interesting! Didn't know that! I don't suppose the lead in everything it sells to the USA helps their economy either. Thanks for the heads-up!
Roy
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 12:07:03 AM
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I think China is another economy supported by funny money from the government. Any economy that does not support it's own existence is doomed.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 9:22:38 AM
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Eutychus
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Please, please, show me where I can call Hal Lindsey a False Prophet. Do it soon, folks, as what I see in God's word, and compilation of information garnered from other Bible scholars, we don't have much time left to play this game of 'Pin the Tail on Hal.'
If stating, "I am God's Prophet" is required to label Hal a false prophet, then, I suppose, he gets to dodge that bullet in some people's minds. But his credibility is still worthless to many people because of his decades of inaccurate predictions and endlessly crying "WOLF" when there has been no wolf. The same is true for several of those other "Bible scholars" that have spent their lifetime trying to match today's newspaper with the Bible - and endlessly getting it wrong.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 11:06:32 AM
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kyridgeman
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1984 and 2000 are examples of when Hal said something in the future would happen and it didn't. Isn't predicting a date something will happen a prophesy. By the way I bought all of Hal's books and followed for years until his predictions did not happen. How many times can you be wrong and have any credibility in predicting future events. I did find Hal,s analysis of the current situation help[ful and I think right on. I just would like to hear his explanations about the things he missed. Does anyone know?
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 11:14:13 AM
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He disappoints me. He has the potential to do greater service for God, but he undermines it with his theories when they prove to be wrong. He needs to stick with facts and quit supposing what might happen. I guarantee that all Christians will have the truth when it is time! We won't need a prophet or a neon sign to point the way.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 12:51:26 PM
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Please, please, show me where I can call Hal Lindsey a False Prophet. Do it soon, folks, as what I see in God's word, and compilation of information garnered from other Bible scholars, we don't have much time left to play this game of 'Pin the Tail on Hal.'
If stating, "I am God's Prophet" is required to label Hal a false prophet, then, I suppose, he gets to dodge that bullet in some people's minds. But his credibility is still worthless to many people because of his decades of inaccurate predictions and endlessly crying "WOLF" when there has been no wolf. The same is true for several of those other "Bible scholars" that have spent their lifetime trying to match today's newspaper with the Bible - and endlessly getting it wrong.
Euti, Shalom. If I may, I will address your reply since it strikes to the truth, IMO. Hal can 'dodge the bullet,' primarily since he spoke what he thought he saw coming up, and so far, he has been wrong, or incomplete (I prefer incomplete). Is it possible that his mental picture could not fathom a situation more primed for being accomplished, Prophetically, than what was in place at that time? Possibly.
Hal has been crying 'Wolf,' yes he has, for decades, and I see those who would put him down, stating that nothing has happened to completion. I agree. The Wolf, however has been nibbling away, until, we now, IMO, may well be in the position that Hal was crying about, that of no longer being able to recover from the hole/pit we have allowed ourselves to be dug in to.
The truly sad part of the whole thing is that we have missed being right, so long, and so many times, people are dulled to the thought. Look at the Moon voyages. It wasn't long before everyone was not paying attention, and along came Apolo-13 (Ker-Pow, trouble). We may not be at the bitter end of the Church era, but I believe we are. Sadly, the callused of heart, from all the wrong call's of 'the end,' may well be not expecting the 'Ker-Pow, trouble' of the Tribulation.
God says that the person who knows, and tells, is without fault. The person who knows, and don't tell, will be beaten with many stripes. The person who does not watch, and does not know, will be beaten with few stripes. Even the guy who don't know, nor watch, is beaten, because he was supposed to be watching, and hopefully see the event coming. Just a thought. We can be alert, or asleep, the choice is our individual choice.
In Messiah. Arley
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(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 1:00:37 PM
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God says that the person who knows, and tells, is without fault.
And what good is a watchman that continually cries out that the enemy is massing at the front gate when nobody is there?
I'm just amazed that such a phony watchman is revered by anyone.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 1:21:53 PM
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Good question, Euti.
IMO, the watchman who sounds an alarm any time short of when possible danger appears on the horizon, is deserving of many stripes, and worse if he allows the problem to arrive at the gate, before sounding the alarm. By then, even the blind can tell something is wrong.
For lack of a better similitude, I would much prefer having a yapping dog in my back yard that alerted me falsely many times, and I catch the thief, that once, than have the mutt sleep through even that one thief. I will remember the once it was right, way over the many times it was wrong.
Or, consider the look-out who thinks a seagull is an enemy aircraft. We will give him a hard time, but also rest well when he is on watch, because he isn't afraid to be wrong, when the alternative is a sunk ship. Euti, you know how big the ocean is, and exactly what I allude to. Prophecy, is even bigger than the Pacific, so we should not complain about a few seagulls.
Nuff-said.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 2:46:37 PM
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Eutychus
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Well, I'm still waiting for Hal to get it right once.
He is, to me, like a ship's navigator that continually steers the vessel to the wrong port. Few Captains would put up with such incompetence. I don't think a good Captain would keep him on just because he is so convincing along the way each time.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 2:58:19 PM
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For the discerning Christian, Hal and every other preacher who sets dates wrongly are not a problem as far as beliefs. However, for the young believer, they are easily deceived, and that deception may turn them away completely. The preachers that cause this to happen will have much to answer for I believe.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 3:05:26 PM
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Not to mention the young people who neglect planning ahead with education and financially because, after all, YEEE HAWWW, they weren't supposed to live long enough to be stuck in a dead end job 20 or 30 years hence, deep in debt and without retirement. But, YEEEE HAWWWW, they sure got to hear all those old dogs bark at shadows.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 4:48:55 PM
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Not to mention the young people who neglect planning ahead with education and financially because, after all, YEEE HAWWW, they weren't supposed to live long enough to be stuck in a dead end job 20 or 30 years hence, deep in debt and without retirement. But, YEEEE HAWWWW, they sure got to hear all those old dogs bark at shadows.
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 5:01:12 PM
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There are more men in an armed forces among the battalians and the ranks of divisions than there would be messengers sent. There is only need for one or two ranks of night watchmen to have the security for the whole Country taken care for they will sound the alarms necessary for the other divisions to come and take their leading as is written regarding The Sheep Gate of the pen of the sheep. These are already in their divisions and ranks in the pen; though. The Watchmen keep the door open for them to be able to follow appropriately and He Is The Good and Faithful Shepherd who cares dearly for them and leads them to watering holes and who makes them lie down in the camps in which He Has directed. For example, 'The Invisible' Hand of the commerce is written about by Hamilton at banking. You should have placed your investment, of course, in such a manner as to be found with gains in interest by at least placing it to work for another organization or by selling partial interest shares in the conference of other duties assigned was the Spirit of What Is Written.
There are more in the choir or the Orchestra than just one soprano in a performance; each with their own gifts of counsel and wisdom and The Gift Expressing Himself in His various forms among all of the people of the nations worldwide.
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I am sure that someone has mentioned this, but for all the years I have tuned in to watch Hal Lindsey, I do not remember one time where he stated his status as Prophet, of anything. Now, Watchman on the Wall, yep, he has espoused that too many times to count. Oh, Garshk, look at my signature line. I espouse being a Watchman, also, and cry out for everyone to be, as does Hal.
If anyone knows, honestly, that Hal ever claimed to be a Prophet, please let me know, so I can denigrate him also. I am not talking about date-setting, because I know of not one date-setter, who didn't claim to arrive at the date conclusion, from any primary source than the Bible. Some would throw in non-biblical 'Seer' prophecies, but we are talking about Hal, so I will stop that bit, right there.
Please, please, show me where I can call Hal Lindsey a False Prophet. Do it soon, folks, as what I see in God's word, and compilation of information garnered from other Bible scholars, we don't have much time left to play this game of 'Pin the Tail on Hal.'
In Messiah. Arley
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RE: Hal Lindsey Report - 7/2/2009 5:05:49 PM
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He disappoints me. He has the potential to do greater service for God, but he undermines it with his theories when they prove to be wrong. He needs to stick with facts and quit supposing what might happen. I guarantee that all Christians will have the truth when it is time! We won't need a prophet or a neon sign to point the way.
and, yet, he KNOWS there is a "Following" of loyal watchers out there....and, he knows what they want to hear. So, he gives it to them.
My father in law regularly e-mails EVERYONE on his "e-mail list" spouting off the latest from Hal Lindsey....and how he has "truly accurate new reporting"....
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