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FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 4/25/2009 5:29:58 PM   
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At first glance, it looks like the real thing. It's white, with a brown filter. When the tip glows red, a smoke-like puff follows. But this is not a typical cigarette -- it's an "e-cig." A what? An electronic cigarette.
Makers of e-cigs tout their product as the first healthy cigarette, free of harmful chemicals and tar typically found in tobacco products. The only ingredient: pure liquid nicotine. "Our product is comparable to the nicotine patch except people still get the oral fixation, which they love," explained Elicko Taieb, CEO of Smoking Everywhere, one of the largest distributors of electronic cigarettes.
But the U.S. Food and Drug Administration considers e-cigs an unapproved new drug because of a lack of scientific proof that they're safe or effective. The FDA is trying to halt importation of e-cigs, but isn't seizing products already being sold in the United States
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Tobacco smoke causes nearly 90 percent of lung cancer deaths, according to the American Cancer Society. "If it is a choice between smoking tobacco product or a nicotine replacement -- of course, keep taking the nicotine," Schroeder said. "It is a heck of a lot healthier than tobacco smoking."
Developers of e-cigs echo the thought. "We aren't claiming electronic cigarettes help you quit altogether, but I promise our product won't cause cancer. So no matter what way you look at it, it's the healthier option," Taieb said.


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Conspiracy against E-Cigarettes? What is your opinion?
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 4/25/2009 5:40:35 PM   
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I wonder what damage this would do to the tobacco companies, or would they be one of the suppliers of the liquid nicotine? Very interesting.
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 4/25/2009 8:11:34 PM   
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Is pure tobacco that bad? The Native Americans used to smoke that stuff. I don't think it is, but like anything in the diet I would not say do it day in and day out. It's like burning leaves. I would not want to do that constantly, but a good smell of that smoke is probably good once in awhile.

As for modern cigarettes, I think the biggest health concern is what the processing and packaging does to it that is more dangerous to the health---- sort of like our refined food. It's not eggs, or meat, or salt that is bad for you per se, but the processing the antibiotics and unhealthy animals, etc.

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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 4/26/2009 12:36:57 AM   
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I find it interesting that the government wants to give the FDA control over tobacco only after this started getting more well known. Given the FDA's history of doing whatever is in its power to maintain the status quo (ie: banning alternative medicine that competes with pharmaceutical corporations), it's almost as if the government wants the FDA to ban this to prevent it from competing with cigarette companies. This is just speculation but the timing of this is interesting. BTW, I do not encourage people to smoke e - cigarettes, regular cigarettes, cigars, etc... and I am not saying that e - cigarettes should (or should not) be legal. Just wanted to look at the possible politics behind all this.

< Message edited by Bettawrekonize -- 4/26/2009 12:43:56 AM >
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 4/26/2009 10:14:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize

I find it interesting that the government wants to give the FDA control over tobacco only after this started getting more well known. Given the FDA's history of doing whatever is in its power to maintain the status quo (ie: banning alternative medicine that competes with pharmaceutical corporations), it's almost as if the government wants the FDA to ban this to prevent it from competing with cigarette companies. This is just speculation but the timing of this is interesting. BTW, I do not encourage people to smoke e - cigarettes, regular cigarettes, cigars, etc... and I am not saying that e - cigarettes should (or should not) be legal. Just wanted to look at the possible politics behind all this.


No "possible" here, it is all Politics; in my opinion!!

E Cigs are a serious threat to government in general. Do all of you know about the state and federal cigarette tax hikes? And the new ‘fire-safe’ law/requirement for cigarette/tobacco companies; altogether quite a sweetheart deal for Big Tobacco Companies! It's now not even cost effective to make your own. What would the government do for revenue if they couldn't tax stubborn addiction?

Isn't it interesting how all this stench is being created over the e-cigarettes, which currently aren't under Big Brothers control so therefore haven't fallen into being taxed, when California is wanting marijuana legalized so they can tax it?

What's wrong with THAT picture? I would be far more concerned about potheads on the roadways than I am about anyone smoking e-cigarettes, with or without nicotine!

What I really find interesting is Obama smokes cigarettes; they say he plans on quiting; but than I guess he can afford the new Tobacco Co. hike to off set the new 'fire-safe' cigarettes law/requirement and the taxes --- as rich as he is. On the other hand, I wonder if he uses E. cigarettes to help him quit??
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 4/26/2009 7:27:34 PM   
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No "possible" here, it is all Politics; in my opinion!!


I agree 110%. I noticed that some insurance companies supposedly are considering giving a person a rate reduction for "staying healthier" by quitting. This is going on with lowering cholesterol, too. (There are doctors which I agree with that believe cholesterol does not cause heart disease). I figured that one out right away. It's political and money-making schemes to scratch the backs of the drug companies if the insurance companies advertise a rate reduction, and the person's usually told they need drugs to qualify! So each are scratching the other's backs. And where does politics lead? Follow the money trail.

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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 7/27/2009 2:24:13 AM   
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More on the FDA and e cigarettes.

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The Food and Drug Administration ... is taking aim at electronic cigarettes
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Over the past year, the FDA has seized 50 shipments of e-cigarettes, which the agency considers to be combination drug/medical devices, says the FDA's Michael Levy. Companies were marketing the products illegally, because they hadn't gotten FDA approval for new drugs or medical devices, says Joshua Sharfstein, principal deputy commissioner of the FDA.

The FDA is reviewing the new tobacco law and considering a range of enforcement actions, which could include recalls or even criminal sanctions, Levy says.


FDA considers ways to short-circuit electronic cigarettes

It does seem like the motive I speculated for giving the FDA power over cigarettes/tobacco (so that they can keep the status quo and prevent the new e - cigarettes that may compete with established corporations from entering the market) seems to have made good predictions.
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 7/27/2009 2:54:17 AM   
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BTW, read all the comments in the E - cig post. I will quote people who have interesting quotes.

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ORIGINAL: Ecig22
There is a lot more to the story, I have an online store call SmokeSticUSA.com and the E-Cigarettes that I sell comes from a company that makes there cartridges here in the USA, and as of right now they are the only E-Cigarette company that is.


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ORIGINAL: IllustratedMan
There's more to this story. Diethylene Glycol was a possible anomaly and is not as toxic as Ethylene Glycol, the main ingredient in antifreeze.


and there are other interesting ones as well (but I won't post them all).
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 7/27/2009 2:19:05 PM   
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Thank you for those great posts, Bettawrekonize.
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 7/28/2009 10:12:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize

I find it interesting that the government wants to give the FDA control over tobacco only after this started getting more well known. Given the FDA's history of doing whatever is in its power to maintain the status quo (ie: banning alternative medicine that competes with pharmaceutical corporations), it's almost as if the government wants the FDA to ban this to prevent it from competing with cigarette companies. This is just speculation but the timing of this is interesting. BTW, I do not encourage people to smoke e - cigarettes, regular cigarettes, cigars, etc... and I am not saying that e - cigarettes should (or should not) be legal. Just wanted to look at the possible politics behind all this.

My first [Kit/order] shipment of e-cigarettes is on its way. FDA or No FDA approval, I'm going for it!
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RE: FDA unapproved drug or Cigarette Tax Revenue? - 7/28/2009 10:24:00 AM   
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P.S. As far as I'm concerned, As long as they have 'Methanol Clinics' and 'AA' (Drug and Alcohol Rehabilitation Centers) --- then there is nothing wrong with E-Cigarettes.
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