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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/16/2009 4:13:21 PM
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Laura, I don't care how many times to hear it, it only has the power over you that you give it. I keep coming back to AC/DC...."You Shook Me All Night Long" has been a favorite of mine for 20+ years, because it is a great rock song. Yes, the lyrics are below the belt (as are most of the band's lyrics). But they have NO POWER in my life, even after hearing the song for 20 years. I do not have a cheapened view of sex, or women in general, I have never once been tempted to go back to my former, pre-Christian hedonistic life, and the list goes on.
Sorry, but my faith is not rocked nor shaken because of some juvenile lyrics...sorry about that. It is possible to appreciate Angus Young's guitar work, Phil Rudd's drumming, and Brian Johnson's vocal style, while at the same time rejecting what the song has to say lyrically.
I mentioned earlier, I have a friend who is a straight up athiest, and yet one of her favorite songs is "O Holy Night". She appreciates the song, but dismisses it's message. I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp...
Wow,do you ever respond to anything with scripture?No wonder.
I came back because I wondered: Why does he need Scripture???
You are asking me why people need to respond to christian topics with scripture?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/16/2009 4:25:17 PM
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Kudos to those who have given plenty of scriptural basis for the unhealthiness of listening to secular music. You have more patience and perseverence than I. Just keep in mind that many of those arguing with you have been listening to secular music for a LONG, LONG time and will more than likely never stop. It is their right after all..."everything is permissible" and all that. Also, listening to secular music won't send you to hell. I did enjoy the comment from one poster a ways back that likened listening to Christian music to eating only vegetables, which assumed listening to secular music was sampling the rest of the menu. Hmm...I guess you can technically live without eating any vegetables... Dr. Atkins proved that, right?
To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/16/2009 5:17:14 PM
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/16/2009 6:04:53 PM
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Kudos to those who have given plenty of scriptural basis for the unhealthiness of listening to secular music. You have more patience and perseverence than I. Just keep in mind that many of those arguing with you have been listening to secular music for a LONG, LONG time and will more than likely never stop. It is their right after all..."everything is permissible" and all that. Also, listening to secular music won't send you to hell. I did enjoy the comment from one poster a ways back that likened listening to Christian music to eating only vegetables, which assumed listening to secular music was sampling the rest of the menu. Hmm...I guess you can technically live without eating any vegetables... Dr. Atkins proved that, right?
I eat my veggies. I alway have. To make the secular music not eating veggie connection absurd. Leaps and bounds my friend...leaps and bounds.
I don't think everything is premissible. But thanks for judging me.
To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
Wow, I never knew Mozart , Stevie Wonder, Carole King, Bette Midler, Bing Crosby, Celine Dion, Clay Aiken,Gladys Night, Gloria Estefan, Kenny, Loggins, Nat King Cole, Sting, The Supremes, UB40, Yo-Yo Ma were so evil.
It is also good tat you are generalizing. Saying that ALL secular music is evil or bad.
I assure you if I weren't a Christan; you would not be the person who bought me to the Lord.
I guess you have just proved (yet again) that judgemental people are out there
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/16/2009 6:11:15 PM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
There are a lot of talented musicians out there, and I am not going to dismiss them because they don't mention Jesus in every chorus.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 7:49:07 AM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod?
Motivation? Well, first of all, God gave us the capacity to enjoy music. Not only to sing praise to Him, but also for the sheer enjoyment of it. Some forms of music are basically just for the pleasure of the music. Secular songs which express the difficulties of life in this world (i.e. blues) ...I have no problem with, nor do I have a problem with love songs (as opposed to lust songs).
God gave us all things to enjoy, but since we ourselves are fallen...living in a fallen world we are to use discernment, and exercise moderation.
Now back to the main point...my motivations for listening to secular (which could include anything from classical to rock) are because, quite simply, I like the music - for reasons I can't always explain. I admire the talents and abilities of artists, regardless of their current spiritual status. I am also fascinated by the history and evolution of music, how certain styles came to be, etc.
If by "secular" you mean "rock", my motivations for listening to so-called classic rock (the stuff I grew up with) are as follows: it takes me back to a time when things were simpler - perhaps that's why I call it my mid-life crisis music. Not all of it is worth listening to, but some of it was better than I originally thought. I no longer "live" for this stuff as I did when I was younger. But sometimes I'm in the mood to hear it. And I no longer beat myself up about it when I do. There are far more serious things for me to concern myself with. How much time I spend entertaining myself, be it music, TV, sports ...whatever...that's where I need to be diligent. To me, that's the main issue when it comes to music.
Everyone has different motivations. It would not be fair to assume that anyone who listens to it is somehow less spiritual. It affects each person differently.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 11:38:51 AM
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Secular music does not always equate bad.
I am pretty comfortable with it. I mean, I listen to Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus.
No, I listen to my music with my family, playing on my laptop.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 11:43:01 AM
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Kudos to those who have given plenty of scriptural basis for the unhealthiness of listening to secular music. You have more patience and perseverence than I. Just keep in mind that many of those arguing with you have been listening to secular music for a LONG, LONG time and will more than likely never stop. It is their right after all..."everything is permissible" and all that. Also, listening to secular music won't send you to hell. I did enjoy the comment from one poster a ways back that likened listening to Christian music to eating only vegetables, which assumed listening to secular music was sampling the rest of the menu. Hmm...I guess you can technically live without eating any vegetables... Dr. Atkins proved that, right?
I eat my veggies. I alway have. To make the secular music not eating veggie connection absurd. Leaps and bounds my friend...leaps and bounds.
I don't think everything is premissible. But thanks for judging me.
To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
Wow, I never knew Mozart , Stevie Wonder, Carole King, Bette Midler, Bing Crosby, Celine Dion, Clay Aiken,Gladys Night, Gloria Estefan, Kenny, Loggins, Nat King Cole, Sting, The Supremes, UB40, Yo-Yo Ma were so evil.
It is also good tat you are generalizing. Saying that ALL secular music is evil or bad.
I assure you if I weren't a Christan; you would not be the person who bought me to the Lord.
I guess you have just proved (yet again) that judgemental people are out there
I didn't say it was evil...read the post, I said "unhealthy". And you didn't answer my questions that were directed to you.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 11:44:36 AM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
There are a lot of talented musicians out there, and I am not going to dismiss them because they don't mention Jesus in every chorus.
OK...that's why you're not "not" listening to secular music... Now answer my questions.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 11:46:35 AM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod?
Motivation? Well, first of all, God gave us the capacity to enjoy music. Not only to sing praise to Him, but also for the sheer enjoyment of it. Some forms of music are basically just for the pleasure of the music. Secular songs which express the difficulties of life in this world (i.e. blues) ...I have no problem with, nor do I have a problem with love songs (as opposed to lust songs).
God gave us all things to enjoy, but since we ourselves are fallen...living in a fallen world we are to use discernment, and exercise moderation.
Now back to the main point...my motivations for listening to secular (which could include anything from classical to rock) are because, quite simply, I like the music - for reasons I can't always explain. I admire the talents and abilities of artists, regardless of their current spiritual status. I am also fascinated by the history and evolution of music, how certain styles came to be, etc.
If by "secular" you mean "rock", my motivations for listening to so-called classic rock (the stuff I grew up with) are as follows: it takes me back to a time when things were simpler - perhaps that's why I call it my mid-life crisis music. Not all of it is worth listening to, but some of it was better than I originally thought. I no longer "live" for this stuff as I did when I was younger. But sometimes I'm in the mood to hear it. And I no longer beat myself up about it when I do. There are far more serious things for me to concern myself with. How much time I spend entertaining myself, be it music, TV, sports ...whatever...that's where I need to be diligent. To me, that's the main issue when it comes to music.
Everyone has different motivations. It would not be fair to assume that anyone who listens to it is somehow less spiritual. It affects each person differently.
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This is a very good post. Thank you.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 11:52:58 AM
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Secular music does not always equate bad.
I am pretty comfortable with it. I mean, I listen to Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus.
No, I listen to my music with my family, playing on my laptop.
I didn't equate secular music to bad...you made the jump on your own. I called it unhealthy, which is not necessarily "bad". So you listen to secular music because you are comfortable with it? Have you tried listening to Christian music? You might get comfortable with it, too. Hmm, what does your family think of your music?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 12:30:19 PM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
There are a lot of talented musicians out there, and I am not going to dismiss them because they don't mention Jesus in every chorus.
OK...that's why you're not "not" listening to secular music... Now answer my questions.
I think you misunderstood. That is why I listen to secular music . . because there are some amazing musicians out there, who have God-given talent (even if they don't recognize it as such).
I listen to people who are talented. I go by skill before I go by how many times "thank you Jesus" is repeated on an album.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 12:33:08 PM
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Secular music does not always equate bad.
I am pretty comfortable with it. I mean, I listen to Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus.
No, I listen to my music with my family, playing on my laptop.
I didn't equate secular music to bad...you made the jump on your own. I called it unhealthy, which is not necessarily "bad". So you listen to secular music because you are comfortable with it? Have you tried listening to Christian music? You might get comfortable with it, too. Hmm, what does your family think of your music?
Um.... dude... I didn't say I didn't listen to Christian music...
My family likes it.
And I didn't say that you said that secular music is bad... just putting my opinion out there. Which is what you wanted, right?
Hope that helps.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/17/2009 12:34:51 PM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
There are a lot of talented musicians out there, and I am not going to dismiss them because they don't mention Jesus in every chorus.
OK...that's why you're not "not" listening to secular music... Now answer my questions.
I think you misunderstood. That is why I listen to secular music . . because there are some amazing musicians out there, who have God-given talent (even if they don't recognize it as such).
I listen to people who are talented. I go by skill before I go by how many times "thank you Jesus" is repeated on an album.
What he said. I don't listen to Christian music that has a low skill level.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/18/2009 12:36:45 AM
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Secular music does not always equate bad.
I am pretty comfortable with it. I mean, I listen to Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus.
No, I listen to my music with my family, playing on my laptop.
I didn't equate secular music to bad...you made the jump on your own. I called it unhealthy, which is not necessarily "bad". So you listen to secular music because you are comfortable with it? Have you tried listening to Christian music? You might get comfortable with it, too. Hmm, what does your family think of your music?
I listen to both Christan and secular music. Now one ever said the did not listen to Christan music. You made that jump on your own. My family likes my music...Of course I am the only one who is saved. And my family does not judge.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/18/2009 1:09:20 AM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music?
God has yet to tell me not to listen to secular music. God may have told you not to listen to secular music. But not me.
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Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod?
Since I travel 90% by bus alone then yes I listen to secular music alone. It helps pass the time. And keeps away unwanted attention.
When I am with my friends we talk.
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Just posing questions here...
Questions answered.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/19/2009 10:37:15 AM
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Kudos to those who have given plenty of scriptural basis for the unhealthiness of listening to secular music.
Been thinking about this one....it is my firm conviction that this statement should be amended to read "the unhealthiness of listening to SOME or CERTAIN secular songs". "Secular" is too broad a term, and unfortunately some wonderful music would get thrown under the bus along with the bad stuff...if I take this statement at face value.
Now I know that you don't mean that "all secular is bad" by this statement, but "unhealthy" doesn't sound good either. Again, music affects people differently..so it might be spiritually unhealthy in some cases, but certainly not all. To one who allows it to consume them, it would be unhealthy. To another who can enjoy it in moderation, and can exercise self-control...it might be perfectly fine. Everyone is at a different stage of development in our walk with the Lord, and we all have our own peculiar tastes, for whatever reason...
In my experience, secular music becomes unhealthy (even music with decent lyrics) when it becomes all-consuming, when it takes you away from time spent with the Lord, time spent with family and friends, responsibilities, etc. This has always been my struggle, with moderation and balance.
I ask the Lord to grant me wisdom for these things, that I might freely enjoy all that He allows without guilt, and help me to set aside those things that are hindering my relationship with Him.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/19/2009 2:17:15 PM
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In my experience, secular music becomes unhealthy (even music with decent lyrics) when it becomes all-consuming, when it takes you away from time spent with the Lord, time spent with family and friends, responsibilities, etc. This has always been my struggle, with moderation and balance.
The same can be said for Christian music.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/19/2009 2:35:08 PM
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/19/2009 11:10:13 PM
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The same can be said for Christian music.
I agree wholeheartedly!
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/20/2009 12:23:04 AM
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To the secular music fans out there: Why? Why do you listen to secular music? Are you comfortable with your motivations? Do you only listen to your music by yourself on your IPod? Just posing questions here...
I started out as a music fan only listening to Christian music. First it was the stuff on the radio: Michael W Smith and Steven Curtis Chapman and dc Talk and The Newsboys. Of course, at that time I wasn't making money, so I'd basically just enjoy whatever CDs I could get my hands on. Then I started getting into edgier music like Five Iron Frenzy and The Supertones. Around that time I started learning how to play guitar. From that point my perception of music changed. It went from "Ooo, catchy pop chorus with clean vocals!" to "Wow! Look at the talent it takes to play that!" Or, more frequently, it was being sad at how little talent it TOOK to play most of the songs on the radio.
Thus, my musical evolution went from typical radio-friendly CCM, to more alternative/ska, to harder rock/punk, to hardcore, to metal... getting more and more extreme in my quest to find the art in Christian music. As I "traveled" I encountered a number of worthwhile bands... most of whom I still listen to today. After I was listening to black metal and death metal and couldn't get any more extreme, I cycled back around and started investigating older music and more underground indie music.
Around that time I came to a startling realization: most Christian music is a lie. I don't really blame the musical artists for that... but the Christian music industry has fostered this environment where there is an expectation of lyrical content. The extreme example is of the fabled JPMs that may or may not have been the guide for CCM radio stations years ago... but at an even more basic level the industry doesn't encourage songs of unhappiness or discontent or questioning. Christians are very uncomfortable with any feeling that might imply that things are not perfect with their life... and the Christian music market reflects that very strongly. There are a few scattered examples of songs which delve into the darker human emotions... but either they have to wrap around by the end of the song with "But Jesus made everything OOOOOKAY!" or the song is ostracized by CCM fans and radio won't touch it. Most (keep in mind my use of the word most here) Christian singers/artists have to walk around with a plastic "I'm always happy because I have Jesus!" smile on their face. EVERYONE gets upset and angry and has sad days and days where they feel hopeless. Even Jesus experienced these things (in the garden when the disciples couldn't stay awake, or at the clearing of the temple... Jesus certainly didn't walk around smiling all the time). It makes me sick how Christian music tries to cover up these feelings and pretend like they don't exist.
So I started exploring the so-called "secular" music. What I found was that a larger percentage of secular music is WAY more honest than Christian music. It rings true with real human feelings and need. There is personality in secular music that is white-washed out of Christian music. Yeah, sometimes they sing about drugs and promiscuous lifestyles and other things that would make a Sunday school teacher raise their eyebrows. But it is honest. And that makes it much more palpable than most Christian music.
In addition, I have serious problems with "art" that tries to push an agenda. This goes for whatever the agenda is, whether I agree with the stance or not. Agenda will always compromise art because its goal is to change opinions rather than purely create. Now, I'm realistic on this point... very very little is created with zero agenda--every artist is human after all and all humans have beliefs and opinions. However, most secular music remains relatively untainted by the need to try and prove a point or convince someone of something. Christian music might be the most agenda-driven branch of music out there. I have a deep respect for art-- God made us creative for a reason.
So that is why I listen to, and love, "secular" music. I am quite comfortable with that position. And maybe I'm deluding myself, but I have to imagine Jesus would be more at home and interested in a Radiohead show than a Hillsong worship concert.
And you better believe I don't just listen to music by myself. Good music was made to be shared.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/20/2009 11:45:28 AM
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Great post, Theory.
Listening to CCM, I had oftened wondered, "Do Christians ever have a bad day? Do they have girlfriends and go out on Friday nights?"
They just didn't seem like real people to me.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/22/2009 8:27:19 PM
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Thus, my musical evolution went from typical radio-friendly CCM, to more alternative/ska, to harder rock/punk, to hardcore, to metal... getting more and more extreme in my quest to find the art in Christian music. As I "traveled" I encountered a number of worthwhile bands... most of whom I still listen to today. After I was listening to black metal and death metal and couldn't get any more extreme, I cycled back around and started investigating older music and more underground indie music.
Around that time I came to a startling realization: most Christian music is a lie. I don't really blame the musical artists for that... but the Christian music industry has fostered this environment where there is an expectation of lyrical content. The extreme example is of the fabled JPMs that may or may not have been the guide for CCM radio stations years ago... but at an even more basic level the industry doesn't encourage songs of unhappiness or discontent or questioning. Christians are very uncomfortable with any feeling that might imply that things are not perfect with their life... and the Christian music market reflects that very strongly. There are a few scattered examples of songs which delve into the darker human emotions... but either they have to wrap around by the end of the song with "But Jesus made everything OOOOOKAY!" or the song is ostracized by CCM fans and radio won't touch it. Most (keep in mind my use of the word most here) Christian singers/artists have to walk around with a plastic "I'm always happy because I have Jesus!" smile on their face. EVERYONE gets upset and angry and has sad days and days where they feel hopeless. Even Jesus experienced these things (in the garden when the disciples couldn't stay awake, or at the clearing of the temple... Jesus certainly didn't walk around smiling all the time). It makes me sick how Christian music tries to cover up these feelings and pretend like they don't exist.
So I started exploring the so-called "secular" music. What I found was that a larger percentage of secular music is WAY more honest than Christian music. It rings true with real human feelings and need. There is personality in secular music that is white-washed out of Christian music. Yeah, sometimes they sing about drugs and promiscuous lifestyles and other things that would make a Sunday school teacher raise their eyebrows. But it is honest. And that makes it much more palpable than most Christian music.
In addition, I have serious problems with "art" that tries to push an agenda. This goes for whatever the agenda is, whether I agree with the stance or not. Agenda will always compromise art because its goal is to change opinions rather than purely create. Now, I'm realistic on this point... very very little is created with zero agenda--every artist is human after all and all humans have beliefs and opinions. However, most secular music remains relatively untainted by the need to try and prove a point or convince someone of something. Christian music might be the most agenda-driven branch of music out there. I have a deep respect for art-- God made us creative for a reason.
So that is why I listen to, and love, "secular" music. I am quite comfortable with that position. And maybe I'm deluding myself, but I have to imagine Jesus would be more at home and interested in a Radiohead show than a Hillsong worship concert.
And you better believe I don't just listen to music by myself. Good music was made to be shared.
Most Christian music is a lie...This is not true. Now if its the radio station you have a problem with then say they are a lie but Christian music and is not a lie. Most Christian music is about giving glory to God and speaking of his word...Now is giving God glory and telling people about his words a lie? I think not.
There are Christian artist that may sometimes speak of different life situation and so what if secular music talk about the bad things of life all the time and there are christian artist that do talk about the darker things in life so maybe you need to explore the different types of Christian music a little more. and excuse those artist for wanting to give people hope at the end of their songs and mention Jesus. Isn't that what we suppose to be doing anyway telling others about Christ. If Christians walk around all the time depress and miserable then the world would just look at us and laugh because what kind of message does it send when we say we serve a mighty God that can do all things but look miserable all the time. That' not gonna help anyone. And if i have Jesus in my life yea bad things do happen but there is hope. Jesus helped me see that and helps us Christian get through the hard times. Whats wrong with letting people know that? Thats not a lie
I've listen to those secular life is miserable type songs yes everyone no matter if you are a christian or not goes through tough times but listening to angry music all the time just feeds the anger it doesn't help. So i don't know whats wrong with a Christian artist mentioning there is hope in Jesus to make people feel better. Some Christians act like they are allergic to hearing Jesus name too much.
And Yes secular music does have an agenda. Ever heard of Hip Hop half of those rappers never even lived the lifestyle they selling. Now that is a LIE and is not being real and honest with everyone. But wait then again isn't the agenda of Christian music is to tell people about Jesus and give them hope, which is all im hearing and that is real to me not a lie.
No matter if your listening to secular or christian music you always have to go beyond the radio to find whats really good because the radio is not interested in that. and i myself would never stick to the radio because they play the same things over and over again.
I have listen to plenty of Christian music with personality and for those christian artist that does not want to talk about their life and just stick to the gospel exactly what is wrong with that?
secular music is not honest it sometimes portrays a lifestyle of sin as the best lifestyle and the most fun lifestyle you can have and sorry but that is a LIE.
And give me a break im pretty sure Jesus would rather listen to songs that adore and worships him then listen to music that speaks against everything he taught. that would make him a hypocrite and i know for a fact that he is not
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/23/2009 12:01:19 AM
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i think we should just all go back to chanting the psalms without music...
and maybe the occasional timbrel and flute..
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