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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/23/2009 1:35:44 AM
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And give me a break im pretty sure Jesus would rather listen to songs that adore and worships him then listen to music that speaks against everything he taught. that would make him a hypocrite and i know for a fact that he is not
Really? The Jesus I read about in the Bible didn't stand around saying "Worship me!!!!!"... He was going around showing an interest in the poor people and the diseased people and the sinners.... the people that the Temple and Priests hated. Just because He is no longer on Earth I don't see reason to think He's changed any...
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/23/2009 2:35:23 AM
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On my iPod, I have "heathen" musicians like The Rolling Stones, Rush, Alter Bridge, WA Mozart, Manfred Mann, Ludwig van Beethoven, Carl Orff, Styx, Queen, Pink Floyd, and countless others. I also have Petra, Michael W. Smith, U2, Tourniquet, Stryper, Emery, Anberlin, Rez Band, Trytan, Phil Keaggy, Larry Norman, Mortal, The Throes, The Choir, the 77s, and countless others.
According to a good teaching by Rez frontman Glenn Kaiser, "As long as pagans aren't contradicting the Word of God, their music isn't bad." Kemper Crabb echoes Glenn's sentiments. Much wisdom emanating from these godly men, methinks. 
I believe it was George MacDonald that said, "All truth is God's truth." Since God is the Author of all that is truly True, even when a pagan stumbles across the concept of truth and expresses it, IMO this particular delivery in song form (Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" comes to mind) rocks.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/24/2009 12:06:00 AM
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And give me a break im pretty sure Jesus would rather listen to songs that adore and worships him then listen to music that speaks against everything he taught. that would make him a hypocrite and i know for a fact that he is not
Really? The Jesus I read about in the Bible didn't stand around saying "Worship me!!!!!"... He was going around showing an interest in the poor people and the diseased people and the sinners.... the people that the Temple and Priests hated. Just because He is no longer on Earth I don't see reason to think He's changed any...
And what does this have anything to do with what type of music Jesus would listen to. This is actually a very silly argument so im done.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/24/2009 7:44:03 AM
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And give me a break im pretty sure Jesus would rather listen to songs that adore and worships him then listen to music that speaks against everything he taught. that would make him a hypocrite and i know for a fact that he is not
Really? The Jesus I read about in the Bible didn't stand around saying "Worship me!!!!!"... He was going around showing an interest in the poor people and the diseased people and the sinners.... the people that the Temple and Priests hated. Just because He is no longer on Earth I don't see reason to think He's changed any...
And what does this have anything to do with what type of music Jesus would listen to. This is actually a very silly argument so im done.
What did Jesus listen to? Traditional jewish music! IOW, zero JPM's! Modern Christian music (and this includes the ancient hymns) didn't exist when He walked the earth. Not all jewish music was for religious purposes. They had secular dance music, albeit instrumental mostly, at weddings and feasts.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/24/2009 10:52:27 AM
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And what does this have anything to do with what type of music Jesus would listen to. This is actually a very silly argument so im done.
Translation: I cannot argue your point, so I'm gonna back out of this while I can....
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/24/2009 11:40:32 AM
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Also Tina, keep in mind that not all music goes against what God teaches. If we're going to put a label, why not say that all "Christian" music is good and all "secular" music is bad? But that's just stupid.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/24/2009 11:45:48 AM
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A good piece of secular music is Change by Taylor Swift.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/24/2009 12:04:41 PM
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A good piece of secular music is Change by Taylor Swift.
They should also listen to all the songs listed in the "What secular songs could be on Christian radio" thread. Jesus even said that not all that cry "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/25/2009 8:06:15 PM
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This is actually a very silly argument so im done.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/25/2009 11:40:07 PM
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@_@ Wow... I was expecting this thread was dead by now. Secular musicz must be serious business!
I listen to some secular black metal bands, but I haven't joined a satanic cult or became a satanist yet... The bands I listen to aren't the usual bands like Mayhem(a band I'd never get into anyway).
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/26/2009 8:31:31 AM
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@_@ Wow... I was expecting this thread was dead by now. Secular musicz must be serious business!
I listen to some secular black metal bands, but I haven't joined a satanic cult or became a satanist yet... The bands I listen to aren't the usual bands like Mayhem(a band I'd never get into anyway).
Well I believe it's your actions that show your true beliefs not what type of music you listen to. I've met some of the meanest people who only listen to Christian music. I'd be wrong to blame it on the music!
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 1:01:27 AM
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And give me a break im pretty sure Jesus would rather listen to songs that adore and worships him then listen to music that speaks against everything he taught. that would make him a hypocrite and i know for a fact that he is not
Really? The Jesus I read about in the Bible didn't stand around saying "Worship me!!!!!"... He was going around showing an interest in the poor people and the diseased people and the sinners.... the people that the Temple and Priests hated. Just because He is no longer on Earth I don't see reason to think He's changed any...
And what does this have anything to do with what type of music Jesus would listen to. This is actually a very silly argument so im done.
What did Jesus listen to? Traditional jewish music! IOW, zero JPM's! Modern Christian music (and this includes the ancient hymns) didn't exist when He walked the earth. Not all jewish music was for religious purposes. They had secular dance music, albeit instrumental mostly, at weddings and feasts.
what i wrote was not really about what type of music Jesus listen too so i dont see the point of this. i like how you people take one line i write and make a big deal out of it. try reading everything i wrote
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 1:24:20 AM
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And what does this have anything to do with what type of music Jesus would listen to. This is actually a very silly argument so im done.
Translation: I cannot argue your point, so I'm gonna back out of this while I can....
Give me a break considering the fact that i dont see anyone here arguing against my point and what i wrote. Im pretty sure none of you read what i wrote or even know what i was talking about. Ya'll just commenting on one thing. All i was doing was disproving when someone said that christian music is a lie. Don't see anyone able to argue my point, Why? because ya'll never can and never did on anything i said. Ya'll just take one line someone said and try to twist it around.
And you people act like when Jesus was with sinners he approved of what they were doing. Uh No he didnt approve of it he was there to help. So what The theory wrote has no relevance to what i said.
So before you go talking about someone cant argue a point why wont you come up with a good argument first for yourself, And actually make a good argument for once while your here instead of trying to play people.
I don't need you to translate i could speak for myself
(Like im really gonna argue what music Jesus listen to....Really??????)
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 3:59:10 AM
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Give me a break considering the fact that i dont see anyone here arguing against my point and what i wrote. Im pretty sure none of you read what i wrote or even know what i was talking about.
I didn't argue that because I was already bored with the topic. But I'd be curious as to whether you read and understood MY post. However, if it'll make you happy...
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Most Christian music is a lie...This is not true. Now if its the radio station you have a problem with then say they are a lie but Christian music and is not a lie. Most Christian music is about giving glory to God and speaking of his word...Now is giving God glory and telling people about his words a lie? I think not.
OK, here is where i feel like there may have been a misunderstanding. Two things:
1) When I say "Christian Music" I mean the Christian Music Industry. It is kind of a hazy term, I guess, but within the context of my post I think it makes sense. I'm not saying all "Christian" songs are a lie, or that saying "Praise Jesus!" is a lie. Simply that the INDUSTRY fosters an environment of superficiality in lyrics that result in a dishonest mindset.
2) This dishonesty is that Christian singers and musicians have to sing about how happy life is as a Christian... even when, frequently, they're not happy with their own lives. Christianity as a religion (as opposed to a faith) requires a double-face: private lives where people get angry and upset and depressed and wonder if they can make it another month, another week, another day. Then there is the public life where they go to church, smile, say everything is OK, and raise their hands in worship while saying Jesus is all they need to be happy... even though this happiness dissolves the second they leave the Church and they start arguing about where they're going to eat for lunch or who gets the TV at home, etc. Thus, isn't the face shown at Church a lie? This double-face is, from my observation, due to two things: 1) personal pride: most people don't like to let their flaws show in public and 2) one of the major goals of Evangelical Christians is to bring other people to Christ. Thus Christianity as a religion (as opposed to a faith) figures that Christians need to look and act a certain way to convince people that it is in their best interests to "join the flock" (to use a blatantly Sunday School phrase). Thus, for the sake of anyone watching, Christians put up the Everything Is Good And Happy In My Life, Hallelujah! Facade so that they can communicate how awesome it is to be a Christian. Essentially it is a sales pitch. (And one, incidentally, that most non-Christians see right through. People who call Christians hypocrites are referring to this very issue... NOT specific things like drinking or smoking or premarital sex like higher-ups in the Church would have you believe).
Just to clarify: Not everyone is going to be upset or angry or whatever all the time. But they aren't foreign emotions... some people experience them more frequently than others. But the structure of both the Christian Music Industry doesn't allow for deviations from the safe lyrical guidelines. (The limits of which might get tested by more adventuresome musicians... but again, radio and consumers tend to disapprove when artists do this and react accordingly by not promoting or purchasing the music.)
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If Christians walk around all the time depress and miserable then the world would just look at us and laugh because what kind of message does it send when we say we serve a mighty God that can do all things but look miserable all the time. That' not gonna help anyone. And if i have Jesus in my life yea bad things do happen but there is hope.
There is a big difference between "hope" and the complete revision of reality that both the Industry and the Church do. The world sees Christians all the time. There are a lot of us out there. The world has had plenty of time to compare Christians with non-Christians. I won't provide any startling revelations here. All Christians know the divorce rate is still 50%, that the man who prays before eating at work is just as likely to beat his wife, etc. Then they look at the way Christians try to present themselves, both through the music and everything else. That is how Christians earn the "hypocrite" tag. I'm reminded of a scene in the movie Saved! where a group of Christian teens force smiles on their faces and laughs to come out of their mouths to try and show a nearby non-Christian how much fun they were having. The sad thing is that few Christians realize that this way of reacting to the world isn't at all Biblical. Nowhere does Jesus ask that we force a smile on our face so that non-Christians might be faked out into thinking Christianity is a one-way ticket to always feeling happy--as though believing in Jesus is an instant bandaid to escape suffering. In fact, the moral that is displayed over and OVER again in the Bible is that Christians are the ones who suffer. Their faith, rather than making them smile all the time, is more likely to bring pain. Modern religious Christianity is big on the theology that Jesus wants everyone to be happy and prosper. Christianity the faith prepares and equips people for the trials and tribulations that are sure to come.
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Jesus helped me see that and helps us Christian get through the hard times. Whats wrong with letting people know that? Thats not a lie
Never did I say that it was bad for songs to do this. What I said was bad was the way artists are straightjacketed into needing to do this. Big difference.
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So i don't know whats wrong with a Christian artist mentioning there is hope in Jesus to make people feel better. Some Christians act like they are allergic to hearing Jesus name too much.
I'm not arguing that artists and musicians shouldn't mention Jesus... I'm arguing that the industry takes away their artistic freedoms and creates an environment where not only is artistic integrity compromised... but moral integrity as well as songwriters write (and singers sing) things they might not be feeling or experiencing.
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And Yes secular music does have an agenda. Ever heard of Hip Hop half of those rappers never even lived the lifestyle they selling. Now that is a LIE and is not being real and honest with everyone. But wait then again isn't the agenda of Christian music is to tell people about Jesus and give them hope, which is all im hearing and that is real to me not a lie.
I never argued that no secular artist has an agenda. What I argued is that the non-Christian Music Industry doesn't have an agenda that they expect their artists to write to. When certain rappers write songs about whatever lifestyle they're promoting it isn't because their label is telling them that they need to be writing songs about said lifestyle. Barnes & Noble won't kick a CD off their shelves due to lyrical content while a Christian bookstore will pull the plug if an artist writes an honest song about masturbation.
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No matter if your listening to secular or christian music you always have to go beyond the radio to find whats really good because the radio is not interested in that. and i myself would never stick to the radio because they play the same things over and over again.
I have listen to plenty of Christian music with personality and for those christian artist that does not want to talk about their life and just stick to the gospel exactly what is wrong with that?
Again, you're confusing my argument against the industry for an argument against Christian-themed music. I hope I've addressed that enough above to not have to expound further here.
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secular music is not honest it sometimes portrays a lifestyle of sin as the best lifestyle and the most fun lifestyle you can have and sorry but that is a LIE.
Which is the lie: a secular artist who sings about getting drunk at the bar and meeting up with a hooker... or the Christian artist who sings about how perfect life is with Jesus, then goes out after their show and gets drunk and meets up with a hooker? That is an extreme example of course. How about: a secular artist singing about how angry he is at his boss and how he's trying to get him fired, or the Christian artist who experiences a similar scenario and wants to write a song about it, but instead ends up writing another Shout To the Lord? I would argue that despite the lesser degree of severity, the root dishonesty is the same in both of the scenarios.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 12:29:02 PM
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what i wrote was not really about what type of music Jesus listen too so i dont see the point of this. i like how you people take one line i write and make a big deal out of it. try reading everything i wrote
Well I have and the "what would Jesus listen to" is a moot arguement.
I know some of the meanest people I know who listen only to Christian music. So I have learned it's not the style of music you listen to, it is what beliefs you put into action that shows what influences you.
So if a secular song on any subject is enough to knock you off course, your problems are more than the music!
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 5:35:24 PM
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Give me a break considering the fact that i dont see anyone here arguing against my point and what i wrote. Im pretty sure none of you read what i wrote or even know what i was talking about.
I didn't argue that because I was already bored with the topic. But I'd be curious as to whether you read and understood MY post. However, if it'll make you happy...
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Most Christian music is a lie...This is not true. Now if its the radio station you have a problem with then say they are a lie but Christian music and is not a lie. Most Christian music is about giving glory to God and speaking of his word...Now is giving God glory and telling people about his words a lie? I think not.
OK, here is where i feel like there may have been a misunderstanding. Two things:
1) When I say "Christian Music" I mean the Christian Music Industry. It is kind of a hazy term, I guess, but within the context of my post I think it makes sense. I'm not saying all "Christian" songs are a lie, or that saying "Praise Jesus!" is a lie. Simply that the INDUSTRY fosters an environment of superficiality in lyrics that result in a dishonest mindset.
2) This dishonesty is that Christian singers and musicians have to sing about how happy life is as a Christian... even when, frequently, they're not happy with their own lives. Christianity as a religion (as opposed to a faith) requires a double-face: private lives where people get angry and upset and depressed and wonder if they can make it another month, another week, another day. Then there is the public life where they go to church, smile, say everything is OK, and raise their hands in worship while saying Jesus is all they need to be happy... even though this happiness dissolves the second they leave the Church and they start arguing about where they're going to eat for lunch or who gets the TV at home, etc. Thus, isn't the face shown at Church a lie? This double-face is, from my observation, due to two things: 1) personal pride: most people don't like to let their flaws show in public and 2) one of the major goals of Evangelical Christians is to bring other people to Christ. Thus Christianity as a religion (as opposed to a faith) figures that Christians need to look and act a certain way to convince people that it is in their best interests to "join the flock" (to use a blatantly Sunday School phrase). Thus, for the sake of anyone watching, Christians put up the Everything Is Good And Happy In My Life, Hallelujah! Facade so that they can communicate how awesome it is to be a Christian. Essentially it is a sales pitch. (And one, incidentally, that most non-Christians see right through. People who call Christians hypocrites are referring to this very issue... NOT specific things like drinking or smoking or premarital sex like higher-ups in the Church would have you believe).
Just to clarify: Not everyone is going to be upset or angry or whatever all the time. But they aren't foreign emotions... some people experience them more frequently than others. But the structure of both the Christian Music Industry doesn't allow for deviations from the safe lyrical guidelines. (The limits of which might get tested by more adventuresome musicians... but again, radio and consumers tend to disapprove when artists do this and react accordingly by not promoting or purchasing the music.)
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If Christians walk around all the time depress and miserable then the world would just look at us and laugh because what kind of message does it send when we say we serve a mighty God that can do all things but look miserable all the time. That' not gonna help anyone. And if i have Jesus in my life yea bad things do happen but there is hope.
There is a big difference between "hope" and the complete revision of reality that both the Industry and the Church do. The world sees Christians all the time. There are a lot of us out there. The world has had plenty of time to compare Christians with non-Christians. I won't provide any startling revelations here. All Christians know the divorce rate is still 50%, that the man who prays before eating at work is just as likely to beat his wife, etc. Then they look at the way Christians try to present themselves, both through the music and everything else. That is how Christians earn the "hypocrite" tag. I'm reminded of a scene in the movie Saved! where a group of Christian teens force smiles on their faces and laughs to come out of their mouths to try and show a nearby non-Christian how much fun they were having. The sad thing is that few Christians realize that this way of reacting to the world isn't at all Biblical. Nowhere does Jesus ask that we force a smile on our face so that non-Christians might be faked out into thinking Christianity is a one-way ticket to always feeling happy--as though believing in Jesus is an instant bandaid to escape suffering. In fact, the moral that is displayed over and OVER again in the Bible is that Christians are the ones who suffer. Their faith, rather than making them smile all the time, is more likely to bring pain. Modern religious Christianity is big on the theology that Jesus wants everyone to be happy and prosper. Christianity the faith prepares and equips people for the trials and tribulations that are sure to come.
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Jesus helped me see that and helps us Christian get through the hard times. Whats wrong with letting people know that? Thats not a lie
Never did I say that it was bad for songs to do this. What I said was bad was the way artists are straightjacketed into needing to do this. Big difference.
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So i don't know whats wrong with a Christian artist mentioning there is hope in Jesus to make people feel better. Some Christians act like they are allergic to hearing Jesus name too much.
I'm not arguing that artists and musicians shouldn't mention Jesus... I'm arguing that the industry takes away their artistic freedoms and creates an environment where not only is artistic integrity compromised... but moral integrity as well as songwriters write (and singers sing) things they might not be feeling or experiencing.
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And Yes secular music does have an agenda. Ever heard of Hip Hop half of those rappers never even lived the lifestyle they selling. Now that is a LIE and is not being real and honest with everyone. But wait then again isn't the agenda of Christian music is to tell people about Jesus and give them hope, which is all im hearing and that is real to me not a lie.
I never argued that no secular artist has an agenda. What I argued is that the non-Christian Music Industry doesn't have an agenda that they expect their artists to write to. When certain rappers write songs about whatever lifestyle they're promoting it isn't because their label is telling them that they need to be writing songs about said lifestyle. Barnes & Noble won't kick a CD off their shelves due to lyrical content while a Christian bookstore will pull the plug if an artist writes an honest song about masturbation.
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No matter if your listening to secular or christian music you always have to go beyond the radio to find whats really good because the radio is not interested in that. and i myself would never stick to the radio because they play the same things over and over again.
I have listen to plenty of Christian music with personality and for those christian artist that does not want to talk about their life and just stick to the gospel exactly what is wrong with that?
Again, you're confusing my argument against the industry for an argument against Christian-themed music. I hope I've addressed that enough above to not have to expound further here.
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secular music is not honest it sometimes portrays a lifestyle of sin as the best lifestyle and the most fun lifestyle you can have and sorry but that is a LIE.
Which is the lie: a secular artist who sings about getting drunk at the bar and meeting up with a hooker... or the Christian artist who sings about how perfect life is with Jesus, then goes out after their show and gets drunk and meets up with a hooker? That is an extreme example of course. How about: a secular artist singing about how angry he is at his boss and how he's trying to get him fired, or the Christian artist who experiences a similar scenario and wants to write a song about it, but instead ends up writing another Shout To the Lord? I would argue that despite the lesser degree of severity, the root dishonesty is the same in both of the scenarios.
I don't go around commenting on things without reading it like most people here do. I already said in my last post that if your talking about the industry i understand and agree with you to some degree but i think that goes for not only the christian industry but also the secular one too. but i said if you are talking about the artist (Which you were not really that clear about) than i don't agree. Then I simple showed why i wouldn't.
And i guess its hard for me to agree because i know plenty of christian artist that talks about the sad and darker things in life and may even talk about sex.
Now if a christian artist comes out with a song talking good about masturbation im pretty sure its obvious why the radio would pull the plug on it. Now if they talking about the struggle of it and overcoming it then that's a different story.
Also i know plenty of christian artist that when they realize they have reached that point where they are being hypocritical, not all but some, take a break from the music scene then return when they got themselves together. Because It's not that easy to always (sometimes it is sometimes it isn't) recognize the sin your in and change it like that. But i don't know majority of these christian artist lifestyle and what they are going through and what they are doing so who am i to judge and say they must be doing something hypocritical. If you know all there business then okay but i don't.
Also i don't see why they must put their personal business out there all the time if they don't want too.
Obviously if a christian artist goes singing about Jesus then after the show gets drunk and gets with a hooker i would think somethings wrong and have a big problem with it. but i don't know if that is happening so i can't just call it a lie like that.
Its easier for the world because they don't really have to hold up a good image so they can do what ever they want and still sell records and still be loved.
The hard thing about being a christian is we have hard times too and may end up falling but the world does not understand that most of the time. As soon as a christian mess up they ready to throw stones ad not give them a chance to make everything right. So People expect us Christians to be perfect all the time but that's impossible.
(Also i wasn't waiting for you to argue what i said. I didn't really care if you did or not I just said what i said to those people who keep starting arguments with me on something i wasn't even talking about and jumping to conclusions, as always because its getting really annoying.)
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 5:42:40 PM
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what i wrote was not really about what type of music Jesus listen too so i dont see the point of this. i like how you people take one line i write and make a big deal out of it. try reading everything i wrote
Well I have and the "what would Jesus listen to" is a moot arguement.
I know some of the meanest people I know who listen only to Christian music. So I have learned it's not the style of music you listen to, it is what beliefs you put into action that shows what influences you.
So if a secular song on any subject is enough to knock you off course, your problems are more than the music!
Okay i will say this again. Recently i was not arguing the whole Christian Vs. Secular music Thing and what Jesus would listen to. I don't care what you people think on that subject matter anymore. I don't have any problem, nothing is knocking me off course so for goodness sake give this weak argument a rest already.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 5:45:18 PM
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Also Tina, keep in mind that not all music goes against what God teaches. If we're going to put a label, why not say that all "Christian" music is good and all "secular" music is bad? But that's just stupid.
I never said this. Ive already said that there's some christian music i don't really agree with either. Never said all christian music is good and all secular music is bad. So you shouldn't go around assuming things and putting words in people mouth because....That's just Stupid.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 6:22:34 PM
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The second half the post was not directed specifically at you but rather at the rest of the readers.
I'm just not sure what you're trying to say, even after reading your posts.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 7:07:44 PM
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I will be in the minority here, but I don't listen to anything but Christian music. It is not because I don't think there is any good secular music out there, or any secular music with a good message.
For me, if I am going to support any musician by buying cds, going to concerts, or giving radio stations ratings, it is going to be an artist who see's the world the way Christians see it. Who believes how we believe. I am not going to support a womanizing, drug taking, alcohol drinking rock star. Or an "artist", and I apply that term loosely, who only sings about sex. My money will be spent on those artists who help me praise the Lord with the songs they sing.
Also, we are supposed to be renewing our minds with the Word, and by the Spirit. Don't you think that some of these songs you are listening to are in conflict with what you are being taught.
I see the same thing over in the movies folder. I think we need to be more shrewd in what we listen to, what we watch, and how we spend our money.
JMHO.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 7:10:15 PM
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Just out of curiousity, how do you decide which Christian artists are worth spending money on? (IOW, what is your criteria?)
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/27/2009 7:16:23 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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Just out of curiousity, how do you decide which Christian artists are worth spending money on? (IOW, what is your criteria?)
The ones with songs I like. If I can feel the music, and it makes me sing along and praise the Lord, that would be an artist/band I would check out. Sample the cd and then decide if I want to buy it.
When I listened to secular music, I would always run into the problem of buying a cd and liking 2-3 songs. Yet so far with all the cds I have bought from Christian groups, it is usually the opposite. Maybe I dislike 2-3 songs.
I just feel that if I can't listen to a cd and praise the Lord, which I am certain you would have a hard time doing with a secular cd, it isn't worth buying.
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I will strengthen you and help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand"
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 6/28/2009 12:35:37 PM
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Cracks me up that this is even a discussion anymore. Maybe we should go to the doctor for some leeches and physique?LOL
The fact of the matter is that you've probably voted people into office with worse lifestyles, morals and scandals than those "heathen" musicians.
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