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ORIGINAL: Hayseed

Cracks me up that this is even a discussion anymore. Maybe we should go to the doctor for some leeches and physique?LOL

The fact of the matter is that you've probably voted people into office with worse lifestyles, morals and scandals than those "heathen" musicians.

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ORIGINAL: slushie

A lot of the secular music I listen to are written by people who profess to be Christians.

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ORIGINAL: slushie

Switchfoot is an example of a secular band which is made up of a group of Christians.

So is Skillet.

There are the Jonas Brothers whom I don't care for at all.

And then there's Taylor Swift. She professes to be a Christian.

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One of the earlier posters thought it was extreme for people to bring up background music in movies, but it's actually not extreme at all.If we define secular music as any music that doesn't have a God/spiritual focus or any music by non-Christian artists (which is how many people use the term), than this does include instrumental music.It would include the instrumental music in most movies, the theme song for Little House On the Prairie, lots of instrumental jazz, ragtime, ambient & classical, plus alot of instrumental rock or post-rock acts like Dick Dale, The Shadows, Explosions In the Sky, etc.Should all this instrumental music be condemned because there happens to be non-Christians performing it?

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ORIGINAL: let_your_light_shine

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ORIGINAL: slushie

Switchfoot is an example of a secular band which is made up of a group of Christians.

So is Skillet.

There are the Jonas Brothers whom I don't care for at all.

And then there's Taylor Swift. She professes to be a Christian.

Many people profess to be Christians, but just because you claim to be one, doesn't mean you're living a Godly lifestyle.

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God can use anything to teach us?

It seems that according to that logic, there is no reason to see the Bible itself as more spiritually edifying than Hucklberry Finn.

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ORIGINAL: WillingSpirit

Some of the music in the bible is essentially secular.The Song Of Solomon is a straight up love song with no references to God or Christ (atleast non that I can objectively take from the text).And it has some pretty erotic content as well, though never crossing the line of decency or good morals.

And really does it make any sense to condemn any kind of secular music listening, while listening to Christian music which wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for someone listening to the secular? Almost all Christian music has secular roots (including southern gospel) and thus requires someone to listen to secular music for it to even exist.There would be no Christian hiphop without someone listening to the secular hiphop that came before it.The same can be said for Christian rock or pop, and there's no way of getting around it.Some people in the southern gospel realm think there music has no secular roots, but it wouldn't exist without the more secular forms of quartet/harmony that came before it (especialy barbershop) or the Evangelical gospel hymns (which are partialy inspired by 19th century parlor songs, a type of old secular pop music).The only kind of Christian music I know of that pretty much doesn't have secular roots is "Singing In the Spirit", a kind of chant type song that is often accompanied by the speaking in tounges.But for some Christians this type of music is straight from the pit of hell, so you can't even win on this one.

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I listen to Classical music but i don't listen to secular music.

Going by the broad definition being used in this thread, yes you are listening to secular music. All that classical you're listening to that doesn't specifically praise God is considered secular by the standards of this thread. So you're guilty guilty guilty!!!! Aren't you ashamed??

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

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I listen to Classical music but i don't listen to secular music.

Going by the broad definition being used in this thread, yes you are listening to secular music. All that classical you're listening to that doesn't specifically praise God is considered secular by the standards of this thread. So you're guilty guilty guilty!!!! Aren't you ashamed??

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

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I listen to Classical music but i don't listen to secular music.

Going by the broad definition being used in this thread, yes you are listening to secular music. All that classical you're listening to that doesn't specifically praise God is considered secular by the standards of this thread. So you're guilty guilty guilty!!!! Aren't you ashamed??

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First of all I am not guilty of anything. Classical music has no lyrics so how do you know if it glorify God or not. And the ones that i listen to that does has Lyrics do Glorify God like the Handel's Messiah and Every Valley.

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

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I listen to Classical music but i don't listen to secular music.

Going by the broad definition being used in this thread, yes you are listening to secular music. All that classical you're listening to that doesn't specifically praise God is considered secular by the standards of this thread. So you're guilty guilty guilty!!!! Aren't you ashamed??

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

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First of all I am not guilty of anything. Classical music has no lyrics so how do you know if it glorify God or not. And the ones that i listen to that does has Lyrics do Glorify God like the Handel's Messiah and Every Valley.

It was a joke. Didn't the 3 smiling faces give you a hint? Sheesh, step back and take a breath or something.

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ORIGINAL: SavedByGraceMD

I will be in the minority here, but I don't listen to anything but Christian music. It is not because I don't think there is any good secular music out there, or any secular music with a good message.

For me, if I am going to support any musician by buying cds, going to concerts, or giving radio stations ratings, it is going to be an artist who see's the world the way Christians see it. Who believes how we believe. I am not going to support a womanizing, drug taking, alcohol drinking rock star. Or an "artist", and I apply that term loosely, who only sings about sex. My money will be spent on those artists who help me praise the Lord with the songs they sing.

Also, we are supposed to be renewing our minds with the Word, and by the Spirit. Don't you think that some of these songs you are listening to are in conflict with what you are being taught.

I see the same thing over in the movies folder. I think we need to be more shrewd in what we listen to, what we watch, and how we spend our money.

JMHO.

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If you saw how much of your money goes to corporations who fund things contrary to Christian values, you would be walking everywhere and growing your own food. You'd have to buy your house cash as to not deal with the banks who also fund things contrary to our Christian values.

If you changed the names, the Bible, in spots, would read like a soap opera or some Danielle Steel novel. (Read Song of Songs) Should we edit out those parts too as to not lead our minds "astray".

If you choose not to listen to secular music that absolutely OK but its fallacy to think that just because someone does that that they are somehow a better Christian.

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

If you saw how much of your money goes to corporations who fund things contrary to Christian values, you would be walking everywhere and growing your own food. You'd have to buy your house cash as to not deal with the banks who also fund things contrary to our Christian values.

If you changed the names, the Bible, in spots, would read like a soap opera or some Danielle Steel novel. (Read Song of Songs) Should we edit out those parts too as to not lead our minds "astray".

If you choose not to listen to secular music that absolutely OK but its fallacy to think that just because someone does that that they are somehow a better Christian.

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

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ORIGINAL: SavedByGraceMD

I will be in the minority here, but I don't listen to anything but Christian music. It is not because I don't think there is any good secular music out there, or any secular music with a good message.

For me, if I am going to support any musician by buying cds, going to concerts, or giving radio stations ratings, it is going to be an artist who see's the world the way Christians see it. Who believes how we believe. I am not going to support a womanizing, drug taking, alcohol drinking rock star. Or an "artist", and I apply that term loosely, who only sings about sex. My money will be spent on those artists who help me praise the Lord with the songs they sing.

Also, we are supposed to be renewing our minds with the Word, and by the Spirit. Don't you think that some of these songs you are listening to are in conflict with what you are being taught.

I see the same thing over in the movies folder. I think we need to be more shrewd in what we listen to, what we watch, and how we spend our money.

JMHO.

If you saw how much of your money goes to corporations who fund things contrary to Christian values, you would be walking everywhere and growing your own food. You'd have to buy your house cash as to not deal with the banks who also fund things contrary to our Christian values.

If you changed the names, the Bible, in spots, would read like a soap opera or some Danielle Steel novel. (Read Song of Songs) Should we edit out those parts too as to not lead our minds "astray".

If you choose not to listen to secular music that absolutely OK but its fallacy to think that just because someone does that that they are somehow a better Christian.

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ORIGINAL: Tina258

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ORIGINAL: WillingSpirit

Some of the music in the bible is essentially secular.The Song Of Solomon is a straight up love song with no references to God or Christ (atleast non that I can objectively take from the text).And it has some pretty erotic content as well, though never crossing the line of decency or good morals.

And really does it make any sense to condemn any kind of secular music listening, while listening to Christian music which wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for someone listening to the secular? Almost all Christian music has secular roots (including southern gospel) and thus requires someone to listen to secular music for it to even exist.There would be no Christian hiphop without someone listening to the secular hiphop that came before it.The same can be said for Christian rock or pop, and there's no way of getting around it.Some people in the southern gospel realm think there music has no secular roots, but it wouldn't exist without the more secular forms of quartet/harmony that came before it (especialy barbershop) or the Evangelical gospel hymns (which are partialy inspired by 19th century parlor songs, a type of old secular pop music).The only kind of Christian music I know of that pretty much doesn't have secular roots is "Singing In the Spirit", a kind of chant type song that is often accompanied by the speaking in tounges.But for some Christians this type of music is straight from the pit of hell, so you can't even win on this one.

I do not think Song of Solomon would not be considered secular. I don't think there's anything wrong with a love song. People of God can and do write love songs.
And to say Christian music would not exist without secular music sounds like an insult to God to me. Considering the fact that he created music and the angels sing unto him. Many people always say EVERY single type of christian music was just taken from the secular world although i know its true like holy hip hip (which i think is an oxymoron and shouldn't exist). but i don't think every last Christian and Godly music was taken from the secular world. people say that but no one has proven it to me yet.

I think freak of nature is right maybe the question is too broad and need to be specified down to secular music with vile lyrics because people keep mentioning Beethoven and Mozart which i don't understand how they got into the conversation. I listen to Classical music but i don't listen to secular music. People are not really understanding us when we say we don't listen to secular music although we have stressed many times that its the music that speaks against Christ teaching, with cursing, and glorifying the self, sex, money and etc, that its those secular music we are not okay with
I listen to Switchfoot and skillet too and never thought of them as a secular band. They do sing about God some or most of the time. But then they talk about other things of life as well. I think its okay for Christians to talk about different things in life. Just because they may make a song about love or lets say school. That doesn't automatically make it secular.

Just my Opinion.