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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/2/2009 6:47:42 PM
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Listen to whatever you want to, people. The only power it has over you is the power you give it.
Me, I love the music of AC/DC.....Angus Young's guitars combined with Brian Johnson's gravelly vocal style is pure sonic paradise....of course their lyrical content is, shall we say, sophomoric, but I also have the maturity and wisdom not to allow my life or my behavior to be influenced by AC/DC's lyrical content.
Or as Dennis Miller once put it, if you are so far gone that you can be pushed over the moral edge by an AC/DC record, or anything that Gene Simmons has to say, then you had more serious issues going in.
I think more of us should stand up and take responsibility for our own actions...blaming it all on the music is the easy way out.....
I totally agree!!! If you are wishy-washy enough to let some 3 and a half minute song govern your actions and moral code then you have bigger issues...
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/2/2009 8:15:20 PM
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yeah, I came to this late but it grabbed me: hope this makes sense. 1st, sacred means holy, or belonging to God, set apart. So, there can be sacred, holy, Christian music; there's a time and place for it in most lives, some need it more than others for support or edification. 2nd, secular means NOT specifically set apart, ordinary. So, secular music can be whatever it is, some good, some indifferent, some profane. And like meat, can be good or harmful depending on the person, the ideals, and the preparation. My caution on this is that many stations play many songs that I like, then have profane DJ's or a few songs on their list that drag me down or attack my faith/worldview. "salt and fresh water don't come from the same tap." 3rd, Profane means anti-sacred. So, this kind of music would attack faith, and probably should be left alone by most and listened to with caution by the rest (so that, thinking they stand, they don't fall).
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Listening to "secular" music? - 5/2/2009 8:16:41 PM
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Hi kenmac and welcome!!
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/2/2009 8:19:28 PM
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/2/2009 9:01:08 PM
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My caution on this is that many stations play many songs that I like, then have profane DJ's or a few songs on their list that drag me down or attack my faith/worldview. "salt and fresh water don't come from the same tap."
So...that's why CD players, MP3 players or even creating your own compliation discs are all good things. Me, I can't stand the sophomoric idiocy of the morning DJ's on the local rock station here. So...I have a selection of CDs that I can listen to...however, considering the need for listening to the traffic reports (if I don't want to make the wrong decision on what route to take to work), it's just not practical in the morning...so, when they get stupid (can't get too profane, there's FCC rules against that), I just try to ignore it. Unfortunately, the "all music" station decided to change formats, so I'm down to NO good music to listen to in the mornings...
However, if listening to a song can drag you down...or make you feel "attacked", then maybe you should think harder about WHY you would feel "attacked"...I mean, gee...it's just a song or some paid announcer babbling on and on, they don't know you, or what you may or may not believe in...
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/3/2009 2:35:27 AM
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I am not going to comment on whether or not secular music is OK or not. I currently am committed to other dead horses I am now beating...
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The root of my post involves one of my favorite artists--Barry Manilow. He is very talented... ...with a person as talented as Barry Manilow, why he has never written a song about the God who has blessed him with such musical ability.
So you are a fan of Barry Manilow? I am as well. Now I know that God is not specifically mentioned by name, but what about "I Write the Songs"? That song is about God, technically, even though it doesn't name Him outright. You kinda have to figure it out as you listen to the song. Or do you think that one doesn't count?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/4/2009 7:52:52 PM
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Where is the seperation? If you fill your noggin with songs full of cursing and violence what kind of fruit do you think that's going to bring about? Do you really believe listening to megadeth, or 50 cent is pleasing to the indwelling Holy Spirit? How about these lovey dovey r&b songs? I guy singing about sexing some woman that's not his, or some other raunchy mess that's completely unfruitful? Sinatra singing I did it MY WAY.Not God's way, but MY WAY. Songs full of lust and pride.
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; (Ephesians 5:19)
can you take your so called secular music and practise Ephesians 5:19? Music sets moods, music can promote peace, music can promote violence, music can lift the heart in worship to God. The Bible clearly says there are SPIRITUAL songs. Therefore we must conclude that their are WORLDLY songs. What do I look like as a proffesing Christian going to the latest megastar concert with the rest of the dying world? I'm jumping around just like them, enjoying the same riotous acts just like them, where is the distinction? We are a peculiar people. There must be a difference in our lives, our lights must shine bright so the world may see Christ in us.
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: (1Peter 4:4)
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/4/2009 8:00:06 PM
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I am not going to comment on whether or not secular music is OK or not. I currently am committed to other dead horses I am now beating...
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The root of my post involves one of my favorite artists--Barry Manilow. He is very talented... ...with a person as talented as Barry Manilow, why he has never written a song about the God who has blessed him with such musical ability.
So you are a fan of Barry Manilow? I am as well. Now I know that God is not specifically mentioned by name, but what about "I Write the Songs"? That song is about God, technically, even though it doesn't name Him outright. You kinda have to figure it out as you listen to the song. Or do you think that one doesn't count?
I'm always leary of these so called songs that are secretly about God. Even our so called Christian songs ,they sing about "him", "IT", or some other vague reference. Sounds more like they are singing about an ex boyfriend than God almighty. Never once mentioning the name of Jesus.
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. (Mark 8:38)
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/4/2009 10:55:43 PM
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Status: offline Where is the seperation? If you fill your noggin with songs full of cursing and violence what kind of fruit do you think that's going to bring about? Do you really believe listening to megadeth, or 50 cent is pleasing to the indwelling Holy Spirit? How about these lovey dovey r&b songs? I guy singing about sexing some woman that's not his, or some other raunchy mess that's completely unfruitful? Sinatra singing I did it MY WAY.Not God's way, but MY WAY. Songs full of lust and pride.
Since Dave Mustaine is a Christian and his last three cds have been Christian influenced then no I have no problem with listening to them. As far as separation goes should we only employ christian plumber, mechanics, carpenters, read only christian literature, watch only christian tv, listen only to christian lecturers, only work side by side with christians? If so then I will be in the3 second cave to the left or yours.
I probably shouldn't question Mustaine's continued faith, but he has always seem pretty wishy washy through the years... I recently saw a live recording of a recent show in San Diego and witnessed Mr. Megadeth up to his usual foulmouthed self.. not that having a foul mouth makes one not saved but I have two words for you...
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/5/2009 8:56:17 AM
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yeah, I came to this late but it grabbed me: hope this makes sense. 1st, sacred means holy, or belonging to God, set apart. So, there can be sacred, holy, Christian music; there's a time and place for it in most lives, some need it more than others for support or edification. 2nd, secular means NOT specifically set apart, ordinary. So, secular music can be whatever it is, some good, some indifferent, some profane. And like meat, can be good or harmful depending on the person, the ideals, and the preparation. My caution on this is that many stations play many songs that I like, then have profane DJ's or a few songs on their list that drag me down or attack my faith/worldview. "salt and fresh water don't come from the same tap." 3rd, Profane means anti-sacred. So, this kind of music would attack faith, and probably should be left alone by most and listened to with caution by the rest (so that, thinking they stand, they don't fall).
A Psalm came to mind when I was reading this, "Even though I walk in the dark valley I fear no evil; for you are at my side. With your rod and your staff you give me courage." Psalm 23:4
Every one can make their own distinction and judge what bring them closer to God and what keeps them from Him. I used to use a lot of secular music in our youth group meetings because it had a way of opening discussion on many topics.
Unfortunately, most Christian music is just p & w and "Smile! God loves you!" and when you have youths that are dealing with serious issues these types of songs don't cut it. Also, most musicians don't cover the style younger folks (like me) listen to.
If you are looking for purity in this world you are going to be sadly disappointed because even Christian artists have "issues".
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/5/2009 3:17:04 PM
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but what about "I Write the Songs"? That song is about God, technically, even though it doesn't name Him outright. You kinda have to figure it out as you listen to the song. Or do you think that one doesn't count?
Having heard the song literally hundreds of times (I was a huge Manilow mark as a tween and still enjoy him now) I do not think the song is about God. Its more of a personification of the concept of music. The fact that music has such power in the songwriter's mind (which ironically enough is not Manilow) may suggest a belief in some sort of higher power or force in the universe but that idea is a far cry from the personal, merciful, just God I know. It may lead to that but it certainly is not a given.
In addition I cannot think of any other Manilow song that is about God. Well maybe "This One's For You" but that's a huge stretch. So "I Write the Songs" is kinda on an island if it is about God.
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Sinatra singing I did it MY WAY.Not God's way
I don't think this is an anti-God song or a song that says "I don't care about God's way". It just says that the writer has looked back on their life and is happy they lived the way they chose and not the way others chose for them. It no doubt points to a pride issue (the singer is awfully puffed up) but making your own choice regarless of what others may think or say is definitely a virtue. Many Christians do that daily.
BTW: I do see where the song says the following: "To say the things he truly feels; And not the words of one who kneels". You could make a case "one who kneels" is a Christian but from the context its more likely "one who kneels" is a person who never had the guts to be himself. But I could be wrong. I doubt it though, the anti-God theme simply isn't present in the words.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 9:46:04 AM
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Here Is why I've chosen to listen to nothing but Gospel music.
As Ive said before,throughout the course of the day,I am bombarded with "secular music" all day long.When I get to the privacy of my car/house I put good ole Gospel In.(I chose to omit the word "fashion" because their are some who would take issue with It.)
Now It has been said In some post's that those who think this way are "wishy-washy",or something to that affect.
Has any of you ever read the book"The Battle for the Mind"by Tim LaHay a very Godly Christian man?A gooooood book.Everyone ought to read It.
Well,this Is why I listen to only Gospel music
Is.26:3
Philipians 4:8
I am no match for satan.And neither are any of you.Every one of us are listening to either God or satan.We are either under Gods control or under satans control.This Is why I do my best to fill my mind with spiritual things so I won't feed the flesh.
So If you think think this Is being wishy-washy,that's fine with me.I want to be as separated from the world as I can get with the help of God.After all He did say we are to be a peculiar people.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 11:23:09 AM
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Here Is why I've chosen to listen to nothing but Gospel music.
As Ive said before,throughout the course of the day,I am bombarded with "secular music" all day long.When I get to the privacy of my car/house I put good ole Gospel In.(I chose to omit the word "fashion" because their are some who would take issue with It.)
Now It has been said In some post's that those who think this way are "wishy-washy",or something to that affect.
Has any of you ever read the book"The Battle for the Mind"by Tim LaHay a very Godly Christian man?A gooooood book.Everyone ought to read It.
Well,this Is why I listen to only Gospel music
Is.26:3
Philipians 4:8
I am no match for satan.And neither are any of you.Every one of us are listening to either God or satan.We are either under Gods control or under satans control.This Is why I do my best to fill my mind with spiritual things so I won't feed the flesh.
So If you think think this Is being wishy-washy,that's fine with me.I want to be as separated from the world as I can get with the help of God.After all He did say we are to be a peculiar people.
This the same Tim Lahaye that wrote the off the wall Left Behind books? The same Tim Lahaye that said anyone who does not believe in the pre trib rapture is not a Christian? Not very reliable.
I've never heard LaHaye say that. When was that?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 1:20:02 PM
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Here Is why I've chosen to listen to nothing but Gospel music.
As Ive said before,throughout the course of the day,I am bombarded with "secular music" all day long.When I get to the privacy of my car/house I put good ole Gospel In.(I chose to omit the word "fashion" because their are some who would take issue with It.)
Now It has been said In some post's that those who think this way are "wishy-washy",or something to that affect.
Has any of you ever read the book"The Battle for the Mind"by Tim LaHay a very Godly Christian man?A gooooood book.Everyone ought to read It.
Well,this Is why I listen to only Gospel music
Is.26:3
Philipians 4:8
I am no match for satan.And neither are any of you.Every one of us are listening to either God or satan.We are either under Gods control or under satans control.This Is why I do my best to fill my mind with spiritual things so I won't feed the flesh.
So If you think think this Is being wishy-washy,that's fine with me.I want to be as separated from the world as I can get with the help of God.After all He did say we are to be a peculiar people.
This the same Tim Lahaye that wrote the off the wall Left Behind books? The same Tim Lahaye that said anyone who does not believe in the pre trib rapture is not a Christian? Not very reliable.
Noone Is 100% reliable except Christ.We're all wrong about something.But the scripture's I gave are 100% reliable.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 1:45:01 PM
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I am no match for satan.And neither are any of you.Every one of us are listening to either God or satan.We are either under Gods control or under satans control.This Is why I do my best to fill my mind with spiritual things so I won't feed the flesh.
But just because something is secular doesn't mean it's "the devil". I could probably follow you around for a day and make a pretty substantial list of the things you do that aren't necessarily "spiritual", but that won't send you to hell, either.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 3:44:11 PM
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can you take your so called secular music and practise Ephesians 5:19? Absolutely. There are "so called secular songs" that move me and fill me with more joy than a lot of your "sacred" songs. That's why the consensus here is that it's an individual thing.
If you feel it's wrong to listen to songs that don't mention Jesus or God every other verse, then that's great and there's a ton of music out there for you to enjoy. But there are just as many of us who don't feel like you do and taking one line of scripture out of context isn't going to convince us otherwise.
As to being "under God's control", God doesn't control anybody. That's what free will is all about. He gives us choices. How you choose is completely up to you.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 4:02:54 PM
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can you take your so called secular music and practise Ephesians 5:19? Absolutely. There are "so called secular songs" that move me and fill me with more joy than a lot of your "sacred" songs. That's why the consensus here is that it's an individual thing.
If you feel it's wrong to listen to songs that don't mention Jesus or God every other verse, then that's great and there's a ton of music out there for you to enjoy. But there are just as many of us who don't feel like you do and taking one line of scripture out of context isn't going to convince us otherwise.
As to being "under God's control", God doesn't control anybody. That's what free will is all about. He gives us choices. How you choose is completely up to you.
He certainly does,If you give yourself over to Him completely,die to self and ask Him to control your thoughts and everything about you,He will do just what you ask.And as I said before,either Christ controls us or satan does.It's up to us to choose which one we want to control us.
Remember the Bible says we are not our own,we are bought with a price.
Oh yea,what scripture was taken out of context?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 4:25:36 PM
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I am no match for satan.And neither are any of you.Every one of us are listening to either God or satan.We are either under Gods control or under satans control.This Is why I do my best to fill my mind with spiritual things so I won't feed the flesh.
But just because something is secular doesn't mean it's "the devil". I could probably follow you around for a day and make a pretty substantial list of the things you do that aren't necessarily "spiritual", but that won't send you to hell, either.
Tafkam,you are absolutely right.
Cleaning my house,doing laundry,doing dishes etc etc etc.These things are not spiritual,however I do do them as unto the Lord and I pray as I do them and sing Gospel songs.I do them like this to keep my mind In tune with Jesus.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 4:27:33 PM
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can you take your so called secular music and practise Ephesians 5:19? Absolutely. There are "so called secular songs" that move me and fill me with more joy than a lot of your "sacred" songs. That's why the consensus here is that it's an individual thing.
If you feel it's wrong to listen to songs that don't mention Jesus or God every other verse, then that's great and there's a ton of music out there for you to enjoy. But there are just as many of us who don't feel like you do and taking one line of scripture out of context isn't going to convince us otherwise.
As to being "under God's control", God doesn't control anybody. That's what free will is all about. He gives us choices. How you choose is completely up to you.
He certainly does,If you give yourself over to Him completely,die to self and ask Him to control your thoughts and everything about you,He will do just what you ask.And as I said before,either Christ controls us or satan does.It's up to us to choose which one we want to control us.
Remember the Bible says we are not our own,we are bought with a price.
Oh yea,what scripture was taken out of context?
Then you and I worship a different God because my God gave me free will and the right to make my decisions. He may guide my heart a certain direction but He doesn't 'make' me do anything or 'control' me. I'm not a fembot...I'm a human with a real brain.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 8:54:27 PM
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For me, I like to listen to CCM and SG Christian music, hymns sung the traditional way with reverance, older style country and 60's and 80's rock n' roll music. However, when I listen to the rock music, I began to feel depressed and negative thoughts flood my mind. For this reason, I choose to serve my Father by listening almost exclusively to Christian music.
Even with the Christian music, I have my limits. I recently threw out my CD's and videos of a Christian artist who had been led astray and is now living in open sin. I based my decision on Romans 1.
I'm NOT saying that listening to secular music is bad, I'm just saying that it's bad for ME most of the time. I let the Holy Spirit guide my music choices and I'm at peace with them.
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