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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 9:35:06 PM
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uncabeeil
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I can't believe I got sucked into another one of these threads.  Some day I'll learn.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/7/2009 10:21:59 PM
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I can't believe I got sucked into another one of these threads. Some day I'll learn.
Don't feel bad, at least its just an Internet thread. I repeat much worse mistakes. 
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/8/2009 4:17:24 PM
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can you take your so called secular music and practise Ephesians 5:19? Absolutely. There are "so called secular songs" that move me and fill me with more joy than a lot of your "sacred" songs. That's why the consensus here is that it's an individual thing.
If you feel it's wrong to listen to songs that don't mention Jesus or God every other verse, then that's great and there's a ton of music out there for you to enjoy. But there are just as many of us who don't feel like you do and taking one line of scripture out of context isn't going to convince us otherwise.
As to being "under God's control", God doesn't control anybody. That's what free will is all about. He gives us choices. How you choose is completely up to you.
He certainly does,If you give yourself over to Him completely,die to self and ask Him to control your thoughts and everything about you,He will do just what you ask.And as I said before,either Christ controls us or satan does.It's up to us to choose which one we want to control us.
Remember the Bible says we are not our own,we are bought with a price.
Oh yea,what scripture was taken out of context?
Then you and I worship a different God because my God gave me free will and the right to make my decisions. He may guide my heart a certain direction but He doesn't 'make' me do anything or 'control' me. I'm not a fembot...I'm a human with a real brain.
I agree with your post completely.
God has never forced us nor will He ever force us to choose Him and His ways.Following Christ or satan Is our choice to make.But yes He will "guide"us In the right direction If we let Him.This Is why I say I give Him control of my life
I don't want anyone to think I'm saying secular music Is a sin to listen to,I choose not to listen to It because there's nothing about It that points to God.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/8/2009 4:49:27 PM
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I don't want anyone to think I'm saying secular music Is a sin to listen to,I choose not to listen to It because there's nothing about It that points to God.
Does anybody else see the thinly veiled dig in this post? The first part is fine, but the second is a blanket statement condemning secular music, and by rote anyone who listens to it.
Sorry, it doesn't hold up. An honest love song, which addresses the love between a man and a woman in an honoring way, certainly points to God and His plans for husbands and wives.
A song that addresses and calls due attention to an issue such as alcoholism, divorce, child abuse, whatever, and does so in a manner that calls the sin for what it is and offers hope, certainly points to God.
I have a good number of secular songs that I listen to right alongside my Christian music, all of which turn my heart and thoughts toward my heavenly Father.
I've said it before and I'l say it again, truth does not have to be a gospel tract (or in this case, song) in order to be right and have worth....
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/11/2009 10:26:15 AM
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Oh my,If I'm learning anything on these threads,I'm learning to be oh-so-careful of what I say and how I say It.
THERE WAS NO DIG INTENDED!!
I am so sorry you saw It that way.And If anyone else read It that way,MY APOLOGIZES.
The question was asked,do we listen to any "secular" music.I've explained why I don't,but that's MY OPINION only.Listen to whatever you want to.That's between you and God.
Tafkam,give me a break.I love you In the Lord,and I don't want to be at constant odds with you.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 11:04:29 AM
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Where is the seperation? If you fill your noggin with songs full of cursing and violence what kind of fruit do you think that's going to bring about? Do you really believe listening to megadeth, or 50 cent is pleasing to the indwelling Holy Spirit? How about these lovey dovey r&b songs? I guy singing about sexing some woman that's not his, or some other raunchy mess that's completely unfruitful? Sinatra singing I did it MY WAY.Not God's way, but MY WAY. Songs full of lust and pride.
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; (Ephesians 5:19)
can you take your so called secular music and practise Ephesians 5:19? Music sets moods, music can promote peace, music can promote violence, music can lift the heart in worship to God. The Bible clearly says there are SPIRITUAL songs. Therefore we must conclude that their are WORLDLY songs. What do I look like as a proffesing Christian going to the latest megastar concert with the rest of the dying world? I'm jumping around just like them, enjoying the same riotous acts just like them, where is the distinction? We are a peculiar people. There must be a difference in our lives, our lights must shine bright so the world may see Christ in us.
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: (1Peter 4:4)
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 12:53:43 PM
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Anyone want to comment on It?
Read the rest of the thread and you'll see that many people commented.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 2:01:48 PM
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Since we are taking the Bible so literally. Do you practice Matthew 7:1? You worry about your indwelling and I'll worry about mine!
Good post.
If that was my intention to judge,then I would say"wow,I deserved that"
And yes we are to take the Bible literally,but very few of us practice It.I know I fall very short of It.
Sorry that that offended you.I don't do too well on these threads.I'm an old fashion women and I believe In living as close to the truths of the Bible as I can.I have no desire to update myself to fit In with this contemporary world.PLEASE I'm not puting anyone down.I just have a strong belief In separating from the world as much as I possibly can.This Is what the Bible teaches
It seems I get Into trouble with every thread I go to.If you people want me off,just say so and I will go with no hard feelings.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 2:50:38 PM
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Call me simple, but I thank God for good music, whether it's got a gospel or secular label on it.
One of the most wonderful musical experiences I have every year is going to see the Trans-Siberian Orchestra during the Christmas season. Not a "Christian band" in the literal sense, but most definitely one of the most moving, worshipful times I have had. Their majestic, borderline bombastic renditions of classic Christmas songs along with the over the top theatrical production is incredible.
But according to some, God couldn't possibly use them because they aren't packaged in the neat little "Christian" box that we think they ought to be in....
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 3:12:36 PM
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Call me simple, but I thank God for good music, whether it's got a gospel or secular label on it.
One of the most wonderful musical experiences I have every year is going to see the Trans-Siberian Orchestra during the Christmas season. Not a "Christian band" in the literal sense, but most definitely one of the most moving, worshipful times I have had. Their majestic, borderline bombastic renditions of classic Christmas songs along with the over the top theatrical production is incredible.
But according to some, God couldn't possibly use them because they aren't packaged in the neat little "Christian" box that we think they ought to be in....
OK tafkam I've had enough.You haven't liked me from the very start because my opinions are different from yours.Your sarcasm can stop now or be redirected to some one else.God Bless you sir till we meat In Heaven.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 3:43:32 PM
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Um, yustme? That post wasn't directed at you, in any way, in any form. It was merely a continuation of the thread as a whole.
If I wish to make a direct comment to you or anybody else, I'll be sure to make it crystal clear that I am doing so.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 6:47:52 PM
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o.o Wow... new wounds run deep. /not saying anyone's holding a grudge
Anyway, some of my most worshipful moments have been to Christian music. It has taken a secular song to change my view more often than not. Stand My Ground by Within Temptation probably helped me more than some CCM song would have. I listen to plenty of secular electronic music and rarely ever feel attacked. I have actually been able to find Christian meanings in secular songs. No One Like You by The Scorpions makes me think of God. Home Sweet Home by Motley Crue makes me think of Heaven.
The song Distorted Face by Hocico reminds me of God as well.
Not saying secular music is for everyone. It's just a matter of choice and convictions. If you're big on staying far from worldly things, go ahead. Rave as much as you want. Just don't force that conviction on people.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/13/2009 10:33:06 PM
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I don't understand how people can listen to music artist like AC/DC, Metallica, Led Zepplin, Marilyn Manson, KISS,
Beatles and other bands like them or any hip hop artist like 50 Cent and Jay-Z that hates Jesus and actually said it in there songs that they do. or many other secular groups that clearly worship Satan. Some of these people are not ashamed to say they do. It makes me laugh when a christian listens to marilyn Manson who always talking about how he hates Christians and wants them to die. I don't think a christian should be defending that man.
I stop listening to secular music when God told me and my family too and to take down the posters of these artist. The poster was easy for me to understand because that's obvious idol worship just like having a statue of someone and later on i discovered more and more why God Did not want us to listen to secular music anymore there's a lot of demonic things going on behind it. That we don't know about.
Lucifer was the angel of music and just because he got kicked out of heaven does not mean he lost that gift he still makes music but now instead of Godly music he makes Devil music
Check it out: EXMINISTRIES.COM-THE TRUTH BEHIND HIP HOP EVEN IF U DON'T LISTEN TO HIP HOP HE GETS INTO OTHER GENRES TOO. GOD HAS EXPOSED THEIR SECRETS AND THIS MAN G. CRAIG LEWIS IS BRINGING IT TO THE CHURCH. THANK GOD FOR THAT.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 1:42:47 AM
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Didn't we just read the past two comments in the Heaven and Hell thread??
Heaven and Hell the band, not the eternal destinations, that is.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 8:59:09 AM
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I don't understand how people can listen to music artist like AC/DC, Metallica, Led Zepplin, Marilyn Manson, KISS,
Beatles and other bands like them or any hip hop artist like 50 Cent and Jay-Z that hates Jesus and actually said it in there songs that they do. or many other secular groups that clearly worship Satan. Some of these people are not ashamed to say they do. It makes me laugh when a christian listens to marilyn Manson who always talking about how he hates Christians and wants them to die. I don't think a christian should be defending that man.
I stop listening to secular music when God told me and my family too and to take down the posters of these artist. The poster was easy for me to understand because that's obvious idol worship just like having a statue of someone and later on i discovered more and more why God Did not want us to listen to secular music anymore there's a lot of demonic things going on behind it. That we don't know about.
Lucifer was the angel of music and just because he got kicked out of heaven does not mean he lost that gift he still makes music but now instead of Godly music he makes Devil music
Does it amaze anybody else that there are still people around who espouse this level of ignorance on the subject of music?
And apparently the post was so nice she used it twice, on the Heaven And Hell thread.
Take it back to Dial-The Truth or other sites of their ilk. I'm sure you'll find a ready made audience for babblings like this....
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 10:35:31 AM
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God told me This is always one of my favorite lines. I always wonder how He communicated. Was it a voice in the air? An angel with a note? A post card from Heaven? Or maybe He texted it?
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