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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 11:45:46 AM
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wbporter
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Hopefully few people see this as a black/white, all or nothing type of issue. Is all background music (say, in a movie or TV show) satanic, or at least unworthy of consideration? What about instrumental music of any type?
Songs like "Cat's in the Cradle" or "Leader of the Band" deliver excellent messages on parenting without any references to God or Jesus. Should they automatically lumped together with songs by KISS for example? Not by me.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 11:58:36 AM
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Don't be so down on KISS....remember their ballad "Forever" from the Hot In The Shade CD? A song that would be right at home at any Christian wedding.
True, it was co-written by Michael Bolton, but I can forgive them for that...
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 1:30:46 PM
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This is always one of my favorite lines. I always wonder how He communicated. Was it a voice in the air? An angel with a note? A post card from Heaven? Or maybe He texted it?
Yeah it seems like God only speaks directly to crazy people. Oh wait, that wasn't God. Probably the voices in their head.
Sorry, I have zero patience for the asinine. That is exactly what the post and the radicals views expressed in it is. And I won't hesitate to say God didn't say that to them. If He did there is a whole lot of info missing. He hasn't called all of us to ignore secular culture I know that.
My irritation at the asinine is a character flaw only because that post deserves nothing more than to be ignored as crazy ramblings.
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So then, Tina, why DO people listen to "secular" music? And why are you so quick to assume that every band and artist you've mentioned "hates" Jesus?
You might as well address your question to a goat. "Tina" won't answer you because "she" is not interested in a real discussion of the "issue" or is being honest and open. "She" is trying to get across a message and will use any kind of deception to do so.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 2:29:40 PM
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You we won't really know any of this till we die and we go to those Pearly Gates. And if God does not allow people in Heaven for listening to secular music. It seems that there will be very few people in Heaven.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 5:57:18 PM
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I wonder, is listening to "secular" music even possible? I mean, let us say you listen to some country artist...the song has "clean" lyrics, but, all of the other songs by this artist are about getting drunk, etc.
Or, some secular artist you like lives an ungodly lifestyle. Should we even be listening to this person?
The root of my post involves one of my favorite artists--Barry Manilow. He is very talented. But, during a concert he said "G-d Da-n it"...not in anger, but, just matter-of-factly. I also wonder, with a person as talented as Barry Manilow, why he has never written a song about the God who has blessed him with such musical ability.
Conversely, a lot of "Christian" music, sounds like the stuff on the radio, on secular stations. I suppose it boils down to personal conviction from the Holy Spirit.
But, appreciate your comments...
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This is sort of a wierd question. Do we live in a secular world? In order to interact with the secular world, we need to have something that we can share with them, a common point of interest, without which we would be completely irrelevant.
I will never argue that someone should listen to musicians who include lyrics that person finds disturbing. As far as the musicians lifestyle? Not one of us are perfect. So who are we to judge their lifestyle? If the Holy Spirit leads you to not listen to secular music, by all means, DO NOT LISTEN. Follow His leading, in this, and in all other things. There was about 5-6 years of my life in which I did not listen to any secular music at all. It was when I was younger, about 14-20. At the time before I started that, the secular music available to me (I was living in Kenya, Africa) was mostly lyrically nasty, and I found it very spiritually disturbing. Eventually I found secular music that has clean lyrics, and the Holy Spirit has not moved at all for me to not listen to it.
Again I stress, if the Holy Spirit says no, then don't. If your not sure, pray about it first. And if the Holy Spirit does say no, don't make the mistake of thinking that that means that that particular song or group or style is bad for all Christians - remember the Holy Spirit may be covicting them of something else altogether different.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/14/2009 6:26:32 PM
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Has anyone noticed that hard rock bands seem to be used as examples when calling rock music and, in this case, secular music satanic more than other kinds of bands?
*blames Jack Chick and Dial The Truth* If heavier music is somehow so satanic, why not have a hard rock CD stake in every city/town/village? It'll be just like old times... While we're at it, we need a hymn crusade to take back the holy music. Let's not forget allowing church leaders to rule with an iron fist. Oh, and I'll ask Jack Chick to lead America next election.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 8:40:58 AM
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"God told me" not to listen to secular music.
Well, God told me to listen to it. In so many ways, if you will. This was from a long personal experience I had with Him some years ago.
These people who insist you shouldn't listen to "secular" music have a whole ton of excuses. "They live an ungodly lifestyle". Many artists and musicians didn't live the most exemplary lives. Should we just ban them all?? I think we can deal with music by bad performers. Art is one of those things that brings out a good side to us as humans. Dylan Thomas was known for being a notorious drinker whose life was snuffed out early due to alcoholism. Yet, "A Child's Christmas in Wales" is considered a classic. Should we ban him simply because his life was tragically cut short due to overindulgence of alcohol?
People who want to ban "secular" music or art simply do it because they don't want others' lives touched by art in any form. DICTATE to everyone else how they should live by preaching propaganda!!! Art bad!!
Heavy-handed messages good!!!
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 9:55:51 AM
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Has anyone noticed that hard rock bands seem to be used as examples when calling rock music and, in this case, secular music satanic more than other kinds of bands?
To be fair Hip Hop is starting to get criticized as well. The post from "Tina" is an example. I suspect the reason rock bands were named more was because thats what the poster knew.
Not that its any better to slam Hip Hop.
In my connection group last night the leader made a point that there is a difference between a Godly person and someone living in the Spirit. A Godly person knows right from wrong because they've learned it. They are living based on past knowledge. Which is good, much better than not living the Godly life. What is better though is someone in tune with the Spirit, who receives fresh communication with the Holy Spirit.
I think often times the Godly person (as described above) relies on legalism since they are not in tune with the Spirit. Legalism such as not listening to any secular music (it doesn't have to apply to just this issue). The person living in the Spirit can discern the good from the bad because the Spirit will stir within them.
To be clear I do not mean to say that someone who won't listen to some secular music is not living in the Spirit. The Spirit very well may tell some Christians that they are not to listen to non-Christian music for whatever reason. I am saying that many (not all) who draw these clear distinctions (clear to them) of good and bad in every aspect of life are doing so as a substitute for the Spirit leading their lives.
This teaching has far more important implications than a point in this debate but I thought it applied here. And I can say I need to be more in tune with the Spirit even if I do choose my music carefully without regard to artificial divisions.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:44:38 PM
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Hopefully few people see this as a black/white, all or nothing type of issue. Is all background music (say, in a movie or TV show) satanic, or at least unworthy of consideration? What about instrumental music of any type?
Songs like "Cat's in the Cradle" or "Leader of the Band" deliver excellent messages on parenting without any references to God or Jesus. Should they automatically lumped together with songs by KISS for example? Not by me.
Why do u people always go to the extreme with these what about background music to movies
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:49:23 PM
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I never said all secular artist hates Jesus but its clear that those heavy metal band do just look at kiss and korn and the things they talk about it all look demonic
Sorry, but I had to just choose a snippet of that run on sentence that comprised her post.
Perhaps you could point us to some specific examples of lyrical content you find to be "satanic".
As for "looking satanic".....exactly what is the satanic "look"? And some scripture to support it would be nice.
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and loud rock music that against everything he teached im pretty sure bothers him
Um, not sure what to make of this, but again, that whole "run on sentence" thing....anyhoo...Tina, are you suggesting that God is so shallow that He is knocked off his throne by a stupid rock song? If so, maybe I should rethink who I have given my life over to....
Oh, and BTW, let me introduce you to my friends, the period (.), and the comma (,)......both will really improve your efforts at communicating your thoughts to us.
Of course it does nothing to improve or substantiate your arguments, but hey, I'm only one guy.... 
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:49:44 PM
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This is always one of my favorite lines. I always wonder how He communicated. Was it a voice in the air? An angel with a note? A post card from Heaven? Or maybe He texted it?
Yeah it seems like God only speaks directly to crazy people. Oh wait, that wasn't God. Probably the voices in their head.
Sorry, I have zero patience for the asinine. That is exactly what the post and the radicals views expressed in it is. And I won't hesitate to say God didn't say that to them. If He did there is a whole lot of info missing. He hasn't called all of us to ignore secular culture I know that.
My irritation at the asinine is a character flaw only because that post deserves nothing more than to be ignored as crazy ramblings.
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So then, Tina, why DO people listen to "secular" music? And why are you so quick to assume that every band and artist you've mentioned "hates" Jesus?
You might as well address your question to a goat. "Tina" won't answer you because "she" is not interested in a real discussion of the "issue" or is being honest and open. "She" is trying to get across a message and will use any kind of deception to do so.
I love it how u people make comments on me personally like ya'll know me dont question my relationship with God because i never questioned anyone of u relationship with God i just think it would be better to not listen to that type of music and i wouldnt listen to u rufus2000 anyways because ur post was so not christian like and dont call me a lier and yes i am open to discussion but no one is asking me questions to discuss ya'll just attacking me for what i believe
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:50:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: wbporter
Hopefully few people see this as a black/white, all or nothing type of issue. Is all background music (say, in a movie or TV show) satanic, or at least unworthy of consideration? What about instrumental music of any type?
Songs like "Cat's in the Cradle" or "Leader of the Band" deliver excellent messages on parenting without any references to God or Jesus. Should they automatically lumped together with songs by KISS for example? Not by me.
Why do u people always go to the extreme with these what about background music to movies
I am struck by the irony of this term being used!
Stay in your safe "Christian" cocoon. You don't have to understand it. You don't have to like it. But you definitely don't have to judge us!
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:53:44 PM
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I never said all secular artist hates Jesus but its clear that those heavy metal band do just look at kiss and korn and the things they talk about it all look demonic
Sorry, but I had to just choose a snippet of that run on sentence that comprised her post.
Perhaps you could point us to some specific examples of lyrical content you find to be "satanic".
As for "looking satanic".....exactly what is the satanic "look"? And some scripture to support it would be nice.
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and loud rock music that against everything he teached im pretty sure bothers him
Um, not sure what to make of this, but again, that whole "run on sentence" thing....anyhoo...Tina, are you suggesting that God is so shallow that He is knocked off his throne by a stupid rock song? If so, maybe I should rethink who I have given my life over to....
Oh, and BTW, let me introduce you to my friends, the period (.), and the comma (,)......both will really improve your efforts at communicating your thoughts to us.
Of course it does nothing to improve or substantiate your arguments, but hey, I'm only one guy....
I didnt say anything about it knocking God off his throne
my goodness take it easy and give me a break with ur comma and period its just a forum not a college paper
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:55:00 PM
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I didnt say anything about it knocking God off his throne
my goodness take it easy and give me a break with ur comma and period its just a forum not a college paper
You also didn't answer any of my questions, but that's okay. I didn't think you could.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:55:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: Tina258
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ORIGINAL: wbporter
Hopefully few people see this as a black/white, all or nothing type of issue. Is all background music (say, in a movie or TV show) satanic, or at least unworthy of consideration? What about instrumental music of any type?
Songs like "Cat's in the Cradle" or "Leader of the Band" deliver excellent messages on parenting without any references to God or Jesus. Should they automatically lumped together with songs by KISS for example? Not by me.
Why do u people always go to the extreme with these what about background music to movies
I am struck by the irony of this term being used!
Stay in your safe "Christian" cocoon. You don't have to understand it. You don't have to like it. But you definitely don't have to judge us!
I never judged anyone and i never said anyone is going to hell for this why u people putting words in my mouth i have friends who listen to secular music they know i dont, we have discussed it, and they fine with the fact that i dont listen to it but dont think they should stop and im okay with that why u people must be so hostile
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:57:23 PM
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I didnt say anything about it knocking God off his throne
my goodness take it easy and give me a break with ur comma and period its just a forum not a college paper
You also didn't answer any of my questions, but that's okay. I didn't think you could.
Yes i can i just have to look for it calm down. How about u peole do some research. Listening to people and don't even know what they believe in
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:58:31 PM
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I never judged anyone and i never said anyone is going to hell for this why u people putting words in my mouth i have friends who listen to secular music they know i dont, we have discussed it, and they fine with the fact that i dont listen to it but dont think they should stop and im okay with that why u people must be so hostile
Why is it that when you ask someone to support their arguments with some substance, they automatically accuse you of being "hostile"?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:58:53 PM
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You we won't really know any of this till we die and we go to those Pearly Gates. And if God does not allow people in Heaven for listening to secular music. It seems that there will be very few people in Heaven.
I never said anyone is going to hell for this im not God i can't say whose going or not
U people are amazing and stubborn
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 1:59:43 PM
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Yes i can i just have to look for it calm down. How about u peole do some research. Listening to people and don't even know what they believe in
I don't care what they believe in. I'm just looking for good music.
As for doing research...YOU made the accusations, therefore the burden of proof is on YOU to substantiate it.....
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