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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 2:00:37 PM
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Tinkerbell_
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I never said all secular artist hates Jesus but its clear that those heavy metal band do just look at kiss and korn and the things they talk about it all look demonic
Sorry, but I had to just choose a snippet of that run on sentence that comprised her post.
Perhaps you could point us to some specific examples of lyrical content you find to be "satanic".
As for "looking satanic".....exactly what is the satanic "look"? And some scripture to support it would be nice.
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and loud rock music that against everything he teached im pretty sure bothers him
Um, not sure what to make of this, but again, that whole "run on sentence" thing....anyhoo...Tina, are you suggesting that God is so shallow that He is knocked off his throne by a stupid rock song? If so, maybe I should rethink who I have given my life over to....
Oh, and BTW, let me introduce you to my friends, the period (.), and the comma (,)......both will really improve your efforts at communicating your thoughts to us.
Of course it does nothing to improve or substantiate your arguments, but hey, I'm only one guy.... 
I didnt say anything about it knocking God off his throne
my goodness take it easy and give me a break with ur comma and period its just a forum not a college paper
No, but it is a forum we have to read and proper punctuation certainly helps. 
I also would like to know how "secular" now means "satanic". How does that work, exactly?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 2:29:50 PM
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I never judged anyone and i never said anyone is going to hell for this why u people putting words in my mouth i have friends who listen to secular music they know i dont, we have discussed it, and they fine with the fact that i dont listen to it but dont think they should stop and im okay with that why u people must be so hostile
Why is it that when you ask someone to support their arguments with some substance, they automatically accuse you of being "hostile"?
Okay so how about John chapter 17 where he speaks about being not of this world, or the wickedness of the world in 1john 5:19 and be not conformed to the world in Romans chapter 12:2 and how we must protect ourselves from the principalities of darkness in Ephesians chapter 6:12
And what does the word secular mean of or pertaining to worldly things
I mean u people at least know the devil is real right?and like in 1 Peter 5:8 says Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
I bet no one is even going to looked up the things i show as a little proof (obviously there is more) and/or going to look up the verses i wrote
and i don't see anyone showing me how secular music is not bad some seems okay but who knows what spirit they invite in their music
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 2:30:54 PM
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I never said all secular artist hates Jesus but its clear that those heavy metal band do just look at kiss and korn and the things they talk about it all look demonic
Sorry, but I had to just choose a snippet of that run on sentence that comprised her post.
Perhaps you could point us to some specific examples of lyrical content you find to be "satanic".
As for "looking satanic".....exactly what is the satanic "look"? And some scripture to support it would be nice.
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and loud rock music that against everything he teached im pretty sure bothers him
Um, not sure what to make of this, but again, that whole "run on sentence" thing....anyhoo...Tina, are you suggesting that God is so shallow that He is knocked off his throne by a stupid rock song? If so, maybe I should rethink who I have given my life over to....
Oh, and BTW, let me introduce you to my friends, the period (.), and the comma (,)......both will really improve your efforts at communicating your thoughts to us.
Of course it does nothing to improve or substantiate your arguments, but hey, I'm only one guy....
I didnt say anything about it knocking God off his throne
my goodness take it easy and give me a break with ur comma and period its just a forum not a college paper
No, but it is a forum we have to read and proper punctuation certainly helps.
I also would like to know how "secular" now means "satanic". How does that work, exactly?
I never said secular mean satanic stop putting words in my mouth and u obviously got what i wrote right?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 2:35:08 PM
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Why do people listen to secular music is kind of a silly question? why does anyone do anything they do? because they like it and i say they hate jesus because of the things they say look at these lyrics from 50cent and his people and tell me u cant see he is talking about beating up Jesus and if u dont believe me its call pearly gates by 50 cents look it up urself....I never said all secular artist hates Jesus but its clear that those heavy metal band do just look at kiss and korn and the things they talk about it all look demonic
Okay...you've listed 3 artists: 50 cents, Korn and Kiss.
This is where the confusion is...how is secular music 'demonic' or whatever you wish to call it?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 2:36:32 PM
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Just like all of ya'll are saying support my argument with substance (which i did) how about ya'll support ya'll argument with substance. Ya'll are the one thats ignorant don't know why any of ya'll had to go there i didn't call anyone a name but i know who i am and where i stand
If ya'll want to stay in the dark and be blinded by the enemy whatever its not my problem.
Non-christian understand me better than ya'll do.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 2:39:23 PM
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Yes i can i just have to look for it calm down. How about u peole do some research. Listening to people and don't even know what they believe in
I don't care what they believe in. I'm just looking for good music.
As for doing research...YOU made the accusations, therefore the burden of proof is on YOU to substantiate it.....
Not really the fact that u countered my argument mean u have to bring proof too u just cant say ur wrong, what does that answer
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 2:44:34 PM
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I never said all secular artist hates Jesus but its clear that those heavy metal band do just look at kiss and korn and the things they talk about it all look demonic
Sorry, but I had to just choose a snippet of that run on sentence that comprised her post.
Perhaps you could point us to some specific examples of lyrical content you find to be "satanic".
As for "looking satanic".....exactly what is the satanic "look"? And some scripture to support it would be nice.
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and loud rock music that against everything he teached im pretty sure bothers him
Um, not sure what to make of this, but again, that whole "run on sentence" thing....anyhoo...Tina, are you suggesting that God is so shallow that He is knocked off his throne by a stupid rock song? If so, maybe I should rethink who I have given my life over to....
Oh, and BTW, let me introduce you to my friends, the period (.), and the comma (,)......both will really improve your efforts at communicating your thoughts to us.
Of course it does nothing to improve or substantiate your arguments, but hey, I'm only one guy....
I didnt say anything about it knocking God off his throne
my goodness take it easy and give me a break with ur comma and period its just a forum not a college paper
No, but it is a forum we have to read and proper punctuation certainly helps.
I also would like to know how "secular" now means "satanic". How does that work, exactly?
I never said secular mean satanic stop putting words in my mouth and u obviously got what i wrote right?
Because like i said in the beginning post the devil is describe with organs and pipes because that was his main job in heaven to make music but now he is the devil so now he makes demonic music. and who is te prince os the air-Satan ive heard artist say them self they use witch language when they write a song and how they worship Satan or some other gods that help them write the music like Earth, wind, and fire said and have mark of the beast three 6's hidden in there stuff. And if its promoting unGodly things like sex, Drugs, rape and all other wickedness than its unGodly
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 3:00:00 PM
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Because like i said in the beginning post the devil is describe with organs and pipes because that was his main job in heaven to make music but now he is the devil so now he makes demonic music. and who is te prince os the air-Satan ive heard artist say them self they use witch language when they write a song and how they worship Satan or some other gods that help them write the music like Earth, wind, and fire said and have mark of the beast three 6's hidden in there stuff. And if its promoting unGodly things like sex, Drugs, rape and all other wickedness than its unGodly
Genesis 31:27 ~ Why did you run off secretly and deceive me? Why didn't you tell me, so I could send you away with joy and singing to the music of tambourines and harps?
Judges 5:3 ~ "Hear this, you kings! Listen, you rulers! I will sing to the LORD, I will sing; I will make music to the LORD, the God of Israel.
1 Kings 10:12 ~ The king used the almugwood to make supports for the temple of the LORD and for the royal palace, and to make harps and lyres for the musicians. So much almugwood has never been imported or seen since that day.)
1 Chronicles 6:32 ~ They ministered with music before the tabernacle, the Tent of Meeting, until Solomon built the temple of the LORD in Jerusalem. They performed their duties according to the regulations laid down for them.
Nehemiah 12:27 At the dedication of the wall of Jerusalem, the Levites were sought out from where they lived and were brought to Jerusalem to celebrate joyfully the dedication with songs of thanksgiving and with the music of cymbals, harps and lyres.
And the entire book of Psalms were written with music in mind.
God can use music to be uplifting to Himself as well; satan cannot make something evil; he can only take something that God has created and twist it. That is where discernment and wisdom come in.
I do not advocate listening to music that the Holy Spirit tells us not to; that would be direct disobedience. I do however say that if the Holy Spirit is not leading us one way or another we need to use our own discernment and decide if it will be good or bad for us.
My moments fluctuate; sometimes I can handle the randy bump-n-gride shake your bootie tunes and sometimes I don't need to be near them at all.
Everyone is different and I love how God works that way. 
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 3:03:24 PM
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I love it how u people make comments on me personally like ya'll know me dont question my relationship with God because i never questioned anyone of u relationship with God i just think it would be better to not listen to that type of music and i wouldnt listen to u rufus2000 anyways because ur post was so not christian like and dont call me a lier and yes i am open to discussion but no one is asking me questions to discuss ya'll just attacking me for what i believe
Its not what you believe but how you stated it. And you posted the same exact message on two different threads, one of which that type of post wasn't welcome (because I was the original poster and requested that issue not be brought up). Not to mention you never addressed the band that was the subject of the thread (Black Sabbath / Heaven and Hell). Thats called spam, its rude and I'll call anyone on it.
I must say I'm surprised you showed up again. Not necessarily happy but surprised.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 3:04:03 PM
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Just like all of ya'll are saying support my argument with substance (which i did) how about ya'll support ya'll argument with substance. Ya'll are the one thats ignorant don't know why any of ya'll had to go there i didn't call anyone a name but i know who i am and where i stand
If ya'll want to stay in the dark and be blinded by the enemy whatever its not my problem.
Non-christian understand me better than ya'll do.
One question, have you come to your conclusions based on your own personal convictions are or have you just swallowed some preacher's dogma?
I will give my own experience in dealing with this as I was under legalistic delusions that all Christian music and artists were good and all secular music and artists were bad when several of the leading Christian artists were outed for extramarital affairs. I now listen to what I like and 99.99% is not Christian music. Today's Christian music is produced by the same people who produce secular music. Christian music sold out years ago for the almighty $$$$$$$. Quite frankly many are pale imitations of the artists they are emulating as far as style goes. That is JMO though.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 3:06:33 PM
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Not really the fact that u countered my argument mean u have to bring proof too u just cant say ur wrong, what does that answer
I'll leave it to the Holy Spirit to convict me as to what is wrong and what is right, not a post on a forum that wouldn't even make it into a Jack Chick product....
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Because like i said in the beginning post the devil is describe with organs and pipes because that was his main job in heaven to make music but now he is the devil so now he makes demonic music.
And the Scriptural support for this is found....where?
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ive heard artist say them self they use witch language when they write a song
Quote and source, please....
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like Earth, wind, and fire said and have mark of the beast three 6's hidden in there stuff.
Source, please...
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 4:26:39 PM
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I never judged anyone and i never said anyone is going to hell for this why u people putting words in my mouth i have friends who listen to secular music they know i dont, we have discussed it, and they fine with the fact that i dont listen to it but dont think they should stop and im okay with that why u people must be so hostile
You started it with your "later on i discovered more and more why God Did not want "us" to listen to secular music anymore ." Notice how you didn't say "me".
When a mere human starts talking for God to tell the rest of US a message that was the first shot across the bow.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 4:59:33 PM
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Why can't we just let the dead horse rest in peace? This horse lived a hard life on earth, as its facial expression implies. How would you feel if you were left out of the fun things by your foster family of stray cats whenever they did such things(like dumpster diving)? Let's let it rest in peace.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 5:06:40 PM
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I always enjoy watching these arguments go for 5+ pages, yet nowhere.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 5:28:33 PM
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Wow! This is a huge question. I'm 36 and still sturggle with the answer to that question. And many Christian parents will probably disagree with my answer....but, hear me out. If you would've asked me this question 13 years ago I would have answered dogmatically, "absolutely not! If it's not glorifying God, then you shouldn't be listening to it."...HOWEVER; my opinion has changed greatly. My kids are older now and being "Christian" makes them the "odd man out" most of the time. I've learned that Music may not be one of the battles I want to fight. I'd rather win the war. I DO have boundaries with what my kids can and cannot listen to. But, I also look for "Christian" artists that sound like the secular artists they like.....you'd be surprised what's out there...which is why CCM is such a great website. I also go over the songs and artists they like and explain why they shouldn't listen to them....Most of the time they don't even know what a song is really saying. Another criteria is their attitude. If there is an artist (Christian or secular) that encourages or influences their attitude, it's a definite NO. I also believe that we are to be "in the world, not of the world". that verse can be taken many different ways. But the Gospel as a whole is about reaching the lost and healing the sick....so, how do we connect with the lost if we have no idea what their world is like....what their struggles are and how they relate? Music has been a passion of mine for a very long time...and I like all kinds of it. I recently started a blog about it b/c so many parents and kids don't know that there are groups out there that have great testimonies, great messages, and can really ROCK! I don't know that there is a line that can be drawn in the sand with this question. But, ask yourself "am I listening to this and justifying it or can I stand before God and not be ashamed?". I hope this helped...hearing a parent's opinion. I want my kids to love Christ and serve Him...and that means reaching the lost...not become untouchable. www.gretasfavoriteartists.blogspot.com
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 6:16:58 PM
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I never judged anyone and i never said anyone is going to hell for this why u people putting words in my mouth i have friends who listen to secular music they know i dont, we have discussed it, and they fine with the fact that i dont listen to it but dont think they should stop and im okay with that why u people must be so hostile
You started it with your "later on i discovered more and more why God Did not want "us" to listen to secular music anymore ." Notice how you didn't say "me".
When a mere human starts talking for God to tell the rest of US a message that was the first shot across the bow.
No thats not what i meant sorry i should have been more specific when i said us i meant me and my family not u and everyone else
Not saying i am one because im not but thats what prophets do...Isaiah and Jeremiah they talk on behalf of God
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 6:19:07 PM
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Just like all of ya'll are saying support my argument with substance (which i did) how about ya'll support ya'll argument with substance. Ya'll are the one thats ignorant don't know why any of ya'll had to go there i didn't call anyone a name but i know who i am and where i stand
If ya'll want to stay in the dark and be blinded by the enemy whatever its not my problem.
Non-christian understand me better than ya'll do.
One question, have you come to your conclusions based on your own personal convictions are or have you just swallowed some preacher's dogma?
I will give my own experience in dealing with this as I was under legalistic delusions that all Christian music and artists were good and all secular music and artists were bad when several of the leading Christian artists were outed for extramarital affairs. I now listen to what I like and 99.99% is not Christian music. Today's Christian music is produced by the same people who produce secular music. Christian music sold out years ago for the almighty $$$$$$$. Quite frankly many are pale imitations of the artists they are emulating as far as style goes. That is JMO though.
Yes i agree some christian artistes has sold out there are some i question myself. I do not think all christian music is good i had an album of one christian artist i had to throw away because of the symbols on their album that was unGodly and no this is not some preacher dogma its my own conviction
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 6:21:30 PM
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I love it how u people make comments on me personally like ya'll know me dont question my relationship with God because i never questioned anyone of u relationship with God i just think it would be better to not listen to that type of music and i wouldnt listen to u rufus2000 anyways because ur post was so not christian like and dont call me a lier and yes i am open to discussion but no one is asking me questions to discuss ya'll just attacking me for what i believe
Its not what you believe but how you stated it. And you posted the same exact message on two different threads, one of which that type of post wasn't welcome (because I was the original poster and requested that issue not be brought up). Not to mention you never addressed the band that was the subject of the thread (Black Sabbath / Heaven and Hell). Thats called spam, its rude and I'll call anyone on it.
I must say I'm surprised you showed up again. Not necessarily happy but surprised.
Why surprise the only reason i wouldn't show up is if i though i was completely wrong but im not but sorry if i offended u. Probably shouldn't have posted it twice.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 6:26:20 PM
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Because like i said in the beginning post the devil is describe with organs and pipes because that was his main job in heaven to make music but now he is the devil so now he makes demonic music. and who is te prince os the air-Satan ive heard artist say them self they use witch language when they write a song and how they worship Satan or some other gods that help them write the music like Earth, wind, and fire said and have mark of the beast three 6's hidden in there stuff. And if its promoting unGodly things like sex, Drugs, rape and all other wickedness than its unGodly
Genesis 31:27 ~ Why did you run off secretly and deceive me? Why didn't you tell me, so I could send you away with joy and singing to the music of tambourines and harps?
Judges 5:3 ~ "Hear this, you kings! Listen, you rulers! I will sing to the LORD, I will sing; I will make music to the LORD, the God of Israel.
1 Kings 10:12 ~ The king used the almugwood to make supports for the temple of the LORD and for the royal palace, and to make harps and lyres for the musicians. So much almugwood has never been imported or seen since that day.)
1 Chronicles 6:32 ~ They ministered with music before the tabernacle, the Tent of Meeting, until Solomon built the temple of the LORD in Jerusalem. They performed their duties according to the regulations laid down for them.
Nehemiah 12:27 At the dedication of the wall of Jerusalem, the Levites were sought out from where they lived and were brought to Jerusalem to celebrate joyfully the dedication with songs of thanksgiving and with the music of cymbals, harps and lyres.
And the entire book of Psalms were written with music in mind.
God can use music to be uplifting to Himself as well; satan cannot make something evil; he can only take something that God has created and twist it. That is where discernment and wisdom come in.
I do not advocate listening to music that the Holy Spirit tells us not to; that would be direct disobedience. I do however say that if the Holy Spirit is not leading us one way or another we need to use our own discernment and decide if it will be good or bad for us.
My moments fluctuate; sometimes I can handle the randy bump-n-gride shake your bootie tunes and sometimes I don't need to be near them at all.
Everyone is different and I love how God works that way.
I completely agree with this music is a beautiful thing i love it. i never said all music is bad just the unGodly ones. Of course its not it was created by God i agree that the devil takes it and manipulates it that was my point that he does have music out there of his own.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 6:45:37 PM
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"Or as Dennis Miller once put it, if you are so far gone that you can be pushed over the moral edge by an AC/DC record, or anything that Gene Simmons has to say, then you had more serious issues going in. "
Then maybe no companies should advertise on any shows that Dennis Miller is on. If a three minute song heard over and over again cannot influence you at all, then what hope does a company have of broadcasting an advertisement for 60 or 90 seconds over and over again to get you to buy their product. Madison Avenue seems to recognize what many people seem to ignore....what we see, listen to and read affects us and influences us. Small case in point, when the movie "ET" came out the little alien ate some Reeses Pieces candy. The original script called for M & M's, but they didn't want their product used...they thought it was a stupid movie...after the movie came out the sales of Reeses Pieces went through the roof! I'm not even interested in the whole sacred vs. secular thing, but to thing that what we watch, read and listen to does not affect us in any way is plain ignorant. Everything we take in affects us in some ways, whether or not we want to admit it.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 7:45:06 PM
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i had an album of one christian artist i had to throw away because of the symbols on their album that was unGodly
Name the artist, along with your authentic proof that the CD symbols were "ungodly".
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but to thing that what we watch, read and listen to does not affect us in any way is plain ignorant.
I have been listening to music of all kinds for most of my life, yet I have never once felt the inclination to do drugs, or cheat on my wife, or find solace in a bottle of liquor, or live a raucous, rock n' roll lifestyle, or any of the musical suggestions you care to name.
Sorry to burst your stereotyping, but there you go....
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 7:54:39 PM
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The other day I was downloading some music onto my MP3 player, I was checking out some NOFX, I know what they are about for the most part, they have some great songs tackling some serious social issues, then I got to the song "Blasphemy (the victimless crime)" spiritually speaking, I know that the content of that song does not in any way reflect positively on Christ especially the end of the song which I can't quite describe in words... the spirit of discernment prevented me from moving forward with downloading NOFX to my MP3 player... however that doesn't mean that I can't see the point of some of their other work...like "My Orphan Year" I feel bad for the guy.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 8:08:48 PM
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Rufas2000
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Why surprise the only reason i wouldn't show up is if i though i was completely wrong but im not but sorry if i offended u. Probably shouldn't have posted it twice.
I'm surprised because I thought you were a one time troll who would never come back. I'm not happy you came back because it proved me wrong. Nothing personal.
Carry on people, this horse is dead to me. But I'm pretty silly, I'll probably jump back in it, against my better judgment.
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