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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 10:11:15 PM
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Tina258
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Why surprise the only reason i wouldn't show up is if i though i was completely wrong but im not but sorry if i offended u. Probably shouldn't have posted it twice.
I'm surprised because I thought you were a one time troll who would never come back. I'm not happy you came back because it proved me wrong. Nothing personal. 
Carry on people, this horse is dead to me. But I'm pretty silly, I'll probably jump back in it, against my better judgment.
My goodness even when i try to apologize about one thing i did wrong i get bashed. And i see we are back to name calling is that what you people always resort to. I didn't know i was talking to 4 year olds
And i gave the the christian group i was talking about already
http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_sym.html
I posted it again but i don't think anyone will take the time to read it and understand it anyway because ya'll never do. Ya'll Just bash what it says and P.O.D strong christian give me a break than whats up with all the Rastafarian things they be doing and i use to be a big P.O.D fan so i know what im talking about
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 10:15:20 PM
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I love it how u people make comments on me personally like ya'll know me dont question my relationship with God because i never questioned anyone of u relationship with God i just think it would be better to not listen to that type of music and i wouldnt listen to u rufus2000 anyways because ur post was so not christian like and dont call me a lier and yes i am open to discussion but no one is asking me questions to discuss ya'll just attacking me for what i believe
It's just that we have heard these knee jerk shrill arguments over and over for years and they have no scriptural or factual support except that some charlatan makes a video about how bad any music other than sacred hymns or southern gospel are satanic including ccm.
Yea they do have scriptural and other support i gave some but no one bothers to check it. Ya'll just say that its wrong and if ya'll do check it ya'll find someway to detest it and still say its wrong. I don't just listen to people i do my own research too
and i dont have a problem with ccm by the way if thats what u think.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 10:16:51 PM
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Not really the fact that u countered my argument mean u have to bring proof too u just cant say ur wrong, what does that answer
I'll leave it to the Holy Spirit to convict me as to what is wrong and what is right, not a post on a forum that wouldn't even make it into a Jack Chick product....
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Because like i said in the beginning post the devil is describe with organs and pipes because that was his main job in heaven to make music but now he is the devil so now he makes demonic music.
And the Scriptural support for this is found....where?
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ive heard artist say them self they use witch language when they write a song
Quote and source, please....
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like Earth, wind, and fire said and have mark of the beast three 6's hidden in there stuff.
Source, please...
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I never judged anyone and i never said anyone is going to hell for this why u people putting words in my mouth i have friends who listen to secular music they know i dont, we have discussed it, and they fine with the fact that i dont listen to it but dont think they should stop and im okay with that why u people must be so hostile
Your source would be blowhards Jeff Godwin, Jack Chick, Terry Watkins,Texxe Marrs, Gary Greenwald, The Peters Brothers etc
I don't know what your talking about who are these people. Don't act like u know me
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/15/2009 10:59:55 PM
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My goodness even when i try to apologize about one thing i did wrong i get bashed. And i see we are back to name calling is that what you people always resort to. I didn't know i was talking to 4 year olds
I wasn't bashing you, I was admitting I was wrong about you being a troll and making a joke at my own expense.
I said I wasn't happy to see you back because it proved me wrong.
This object is a "smiley" . This specific one is a wink. It is intended to convey a sense of good will. It also appeared in the post you were responding to. They are useful because it is hard to communicate tone and feeling on message boards because you can only read the words, not hear or see the speaker. So much of what we say is dependent on how it is said. That's lost on the internet.
Please remember that or your visits to message boards will be more annoying than fun. Just trying to help, take it or leave it as you will.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/16/2009 9:19:42 AM
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I don't get it. If these sensationalistic sites warning Christians about "so-called Christian bands with occultic symbols and Rastafarian beliefs", etc.,
were to be believed, that would mean that practically it wasn't safe to listen to just about anyone in Christian music, because there would be no one "godly" enough. Everyone would have a problem with something.
Such a "Christian" attitude of kindness and trust. 
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/16/2009 10:19:15 AM
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All I had to see in that article was the name of the guy who wrote it. Terry Watkins, a certified nut. His Dial-The-Truth website goes so far over the edge in trying to tear down anybody other than those who believe ONLY the 1611 KJV Bible (which obviously must have floated down from heaven on a parachute or something).
This is the same outfit that deemed Michael W. Smith "occultic" because one of the letters on one CD cover appeared similar to some obscure ocultic symbol. Yeah, real spiritual depth there. Likewise for Third Day.
Most of these sites are amusing because they seem caught in an early 80's time warp. When they list secular bands that are so evil and to be avoided, they are ALL metal bands from the 80's, bands that long ago ceased to make any commercial impact whatsoever.
For a great rebuttal to all this nonsense, check out Christian Rock Apologetics It hasn't been updated in quite some time, but still the most thorough answer to these whack jobs I have found....
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/16/2009 12:58:49 PM
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Yes we know KISS stand for Knights in Satan's Service,
I saw an interview with Gene Simmons who said that he wished he could find the guy that started that rumor, because he'd love to write him a check for a couple million bucks for all the great free publicity he gave the band back in the 70's.....
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/16/2009 10:46:50 PM
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My goodness even when i try to apologize about one thing i did wrong i get bashed. And i see we are back to name calling is that what you people always resort to. I didn't know i was talking to 4 year olds
I wasn't bashing you, I was admitting I was wrong about you being a troll and making a joke at my own expense.
I said I wasn't happy to see you back because it proved me wrong.
This object is a "smiley" . This specific one is a wink. It is intended to convey a sense of good will. It also appeared in the post you were responding to. They are useful because it is hard to communicate tone and feeling on message boards because you can only read the words, not hear or see the speaker. So much of what we say is dependent on how it is said. That's lost on the internet.
Please remember that or your visits to message boards will be more annoying than fun. Just trying to help, take it or leave it as you will.
Sorry about that i see what you said now. just so much stuff people saying and stuff going on i guess i didn't read it right.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/16/2009 11:03:47 PM
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Well that Rastafarian thing with P.O.D i believed way before i saw that website, that had nothing to do with it. It was just pretty obvious when i notice they changed and stop saying Jesus so much but now Jah, the dreadlocks (although not only rasta's has those but theres a certain way they wear them thats different from everyone else with dreads), bob marley admiration, the Rastafarian "Jesus" and lion symbol in their music video and DVD. I mean it was pretty obvious no one had to tell me that.
And when i say research i also mean the BIBLE, which is the most important reference and ive had friends who have books that P.diddy and snoop dogg wrote THEMSELVES about their life and they say it THEMSELVES the evil things they do, believe in and use in their music so its not just some nut job i've seen plenty of these musicians say it themselves.
And why do all these people have to be nut job. You know everyone though Noah was a nut job when he said the flood was coming and no one listen. They just looked at him like he was crazy and dumb but then what ended up happening, You all know, a flood came just like he said. Same thing happened with many prophets and other people in the bible.
So don't be so quick to call someone a nut job all the time just cause its something you don't know instead why don't you just sincerely ask the Lord to reveal the truth to you himself so you can see for yourself that maybe what these nut jobs are saying could be true, instead of being so quick to jump down their throats.
When people do that it just shows that your way too attach to your music.
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/16/2009 11:42:33 PM
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And Tina, several times you have been asked for proof, specific quotations, and sources to back up your claims. And so far you have refused. I wonder why?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 12:29:29 AM
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And Tina, several times you have been asked for proof, specific quotations, and sources to back up your claims. And so far you have refused. I wonder why?
First of all i have not refused what are u talking about i have sent some proof maybe you should go back and read some of those messages again. did u hear the words i refuse come out my mouth
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 12:33:24 AM
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Well that Rastafarian thing with P.O.D i believed way before i saw that website, that had nothing to do with it. It was just pretty obvious when i notice they changed and stop saying Jesus so much but now Jah, the dreadlocks (although not only rasta's has those but theres a certain way they wear them thats different from everyone else with dreads), bob marley admiration, the Rastafarian "Jesus" and lion symbol in their music video and DVD. I mean it was pretty obvious no one had to tell me that.
And when i say research i also mean the BIBLE, which is the most important reference and ive had friends who have books that P.diddy and snoop dogg wrote THEMSELVES about their life and they say it THEMSELVES the evil things they do, believe in and use in their music so its not just some nut job i've seen plenty of these musicians say it themselves.
And why do all these people have to be nut job. You know everyone though Noah was a nut job when he said the flood was coming and no one listen. They just looked at him like he was crazy and dumb but then what ended up happening, You all know, a flood came just like he said. Same thing happened with many prophets and other people in the bible.
So don't be so quick to call someone a nut job all the time just cause its something you don't know instead why don't you just sincerely ask the Lord to reveal the truth to you himself so you can see for yourself that maybe what these nut jobs are saying could be true, instead of being so quick to jump down their throats.
When people do that it just shows that your way too attach to your music.
I admire Bob Marley too and love his music. I am even going to see Ziggy in concert this summer. Guess I am Satanic. Nothing wrong with calling God Jah or having dreads. You sound like a kook when you say that the way dreads are worn can indicate someone is "satanic". These guys are kooky nuts because they have been caught in half truths and downright lies for yrs and screaming about illuminati conspiracies to take over the world. I am as attached to my music as you are to your nutty ideas.
Your comment just shows that you did not read anything i wrote where did i say that i think they are satanic in that last message i said i think they are Rastafarians. Read before u make comments that make no sense. Never said it was completely wrong to call God jah but why the sudden change when its mostly Rastafarian that refer to him that way
And also where did this Illuminati things come from i think ur the nut job and a bitter one at that
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 12:40:06 AM
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Maybe it was revealed that these guys are nut jobs. 
Why hasn't anyone called Kenny G satanic yet? There's something I could get behind.
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instead why don't you just sincerely ask the Lord to reveal the truth to you himself
Seriously, this thread is full of people who are mature Christians who don't need to be told how to discern what is proper for them and what isn't. And this is a looooooooooooooong time circular argument here in the forums. As far as this subject is concerned, "there is nothing new under the sun."
What u want me to do sit and name everyone i aint got time for that
And mature not sure everyone is, some were very immature with the way ya'll responded and im not trying to tell people how to discern anything. Sorry didn't know ya'll were some high and mighty Christians who don't need to do anything because ya'll already know everything. Suggesting someone to pray is never a bad thing like u making it to seem its a christian thing
and "maybe its been revealed that they are nut jobs"
Well just like everyone is asking me for proof how about ya'll prove to me that these people are nut jobs pretty sure no one can
and i don't know about these other people ya'll talking about but one man i saw used lots of info and proof he did not just talk and he encouraged people to research them selves which i did and i already posted that up
And lets not forget this was my own conviction from God before i saw any of those things so are ya'll gonna call him a liar too
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 12:42:03 AM
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And Tina, several times you have been asked for proof, specific quotations, and sources to back up your claims. And so far you have refused. I wonder why?
First of all i have not refused what are u talking about i have sent some proof maybe you should go back and read some of those messages again. did u hear the words i refuse come out my mouth
All you have done is regurgitate the words of flamethrower charlatans.
No i didnt. i didnt know the bible was words of flamethrower charlatans and i also showed lyrics of a rapper saying himself he wants to beat up Jesus. So what are u talking about?
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 12:43:43 AM
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Why surprise the only reason i wouldn't show up is if i though i was completely wrong but im not but sorry if i offended u. Probably shouldn't have posted it twice.
I'm surprised because I thought you were a one time troll who would never come back. I'm not happy you came back because it proved me wrong. Nothing personal.
Carry on people, this horse is dead to me. But I'm pretty silly, I'll probably jump back in it, against my better judgment.
My goodness even when i try to apologize about one thing i did wrong i get bashed. And i see we are back to name calling is that what you people always resort to. I didn't know i was talking to 4 year olds
And i gave the the christian group i was talking about already
http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_sym.html
I posted it again but i don't think anyone will take the time to read it and understand it anyway because ya'll never do. Ya'll Just bash what it says and P.O.D strong christian give me a break than whats up with all the Rastafarian things they be doing and i use to be a big P.O.D fan so i know what im talking about
You right I won't take the time to read it. I don't need to since you have already given me permission not to. Be careful not to make assumptions. You cut off a whole lot of people that way.
Kind of how u people assume i was crazy and ignorant right. practice what u preach and thats a childish reason to not do something grow up. "I gave u permission not to" come on
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 12:49:32 AM
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My, my. Have we wandered off topic or what? Let's not make this personal here, 'kay? I really don't like to see any metaphorical broken noses if it can be avoided.
-shoves topic BACK onto the rails with superhuman e-strength-
Yeah, I listen to secular music. Some of it's really decent, a lot of it (at least, what I listen to most of the time) is probably really harmful to my spirit and doesn't do anything for my willpower against temptation. Constantly, I seem to convince myself that I can take it and I encounter the same pitfalls over and over again.
Music is incredibly influential. It tugs at your heartstrings, plays on your emotions and evokes thought. It's quite powerful and honestly, I think you do have to be careful with what you listen to.
That's my $0.02
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 12:51:11 AM
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"the album Destroyer by KISS.
If you look on the cover of the album you can see the KISS members standing on rocks (or coals) above what looks like a lake of fire with smoke in the background, and it has a dark sky.
The Bible says:
Revelation 9:2. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
In verses 7 and 8 it goes on to say that the faces of the locusts that came out of the pit had faces of men and hair as the hair of women. If you look at the KISS album cover Destroyer they have faces of men and long hair like women.
The king of these locusts from the pit is called Apollyon. See Revelation 9:11
Now if you check the name Apollyon in the dictionary guess what it means? It means the DESTROYER which is the title of KISS's album. Coincidence? You decide."
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RE: Listening to "secular" music? - 5/17/2009 1:02:21 AM
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Find it interesting how those nut jobs were the last proof i gave but then again that's the only one ya'll attack. nothing else
Some one show me some proof that they are wrong.
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