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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/2/2009 2:47:04 PM
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Bettawrekonize
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Also fund this interesting.
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Scientists have traced the genetic lineage of the new H1N1 swine flu to a strain that emerged in 1998 in U.S. factory farms, where it spread and mutated at an alarming rate. Experts warned then that a pocket of the virus would someday evolve to infect humans, perhaps setting off a global pandemic.
The new findings challenge recent protests by pork industry leaders and U.S., Mexican and United Nations agriculture officials that industrial farms shouldn’t be implicated in the new swine flu, which has killed up to 176 people and on Thursday was declared an imminent pandemic by the World Health Organization.
Swine Flu Ancestor Born on U.S. Factory Farms
It should be obvious that when special interest groups (who stand to profit) lobby/protest their position, that their position is not intended to be true. It's intended to be in their own best interest, to support the position that makes them the most profits (no matter how ridiculous even).
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/2/2009 2:55:28 PM
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Already the populace believes they need high cholesterol drugs, high BP drugs, drugs for depression, etc, none which are life-threatening. So most people would "just agree" and do as they are told.
Well, I dunno about you, but I hear strokes, heart attacks and suicide can be fatal. That said, the reseach connecting high cholesterol and heart disease is not overwhelmingly strong, esp. given the side effects of the meds. What is missing is that people have decided that all they need to do is take these medicines for these problems. Most do not make lifestyle changes and do other things as well. Most people seem to think these medicines make them bullet-proof.
Everybody taking these meds should also be exercising and eating reasonably. People on antidepressants should be in counseling as well.
Yup!
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/4/2009 12:36:51 AM
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Bettawrekonize
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More Swine Flu conspiracy hysteria.
Dave's Blog for an Alternative to the Impending Rothschild Totalitarian Global Government
I think post 29 hits the nail on the head. This whole thing was preventable but industry just wanted to cut costs instead of preventing this. Before this happened, "Experts warned then that a pocket of the virus would someday evolve to infect humans, perhaps setting off a global pandemic." But cost cutting is more important to industry than human life of course.
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“Industrial farms are super-incubators for viruses,” said Bob Martin, former executive director of the Pew Commission on Industrial Animal Farm Production, and a long-time critic of the so-called “contained animal feeding operations.”
(from link on post 29).
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/4/2009 2:46:13 PM
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justpassinby
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How the heck did they get involved in such medical issues? They have no clue what they're doing (they're about as lost as the politicians in congress). Our government simply doesn't know what it's doing. I suppose if they manage this swine flu issue as poorly as they manage everything else they'll just make things worse.
I think this is a microcosm of a bigger problem: the fact that government wants to get bigger and stick their nose into everything where it does not belong, nor did the founding Fathers intend it. The swine flu is just one of many such opportunities, especially since it feeds off of the people's fears.
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/5/2009 9:19:13 AM
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In the US, 163 people die EVERY DAY as the result of the flu.
Since this media farce has started (about 2 weeks ago), there have been a whopping 1100+ confirmed cases in 21 countries with 26 deaths
Could this be a way to push Socialized Medicine (affectionately known as Universal Healthcare)?
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/5/2009 9:36:38 AM
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In the US, 163 people die EVERY DAY as the result of the flu.
Since this media farce has started (about 2 weeks ago), there have been a whopping 1100+ confirmed cases in 21 countries with 26 deaths
Could this be a way to push Socialized Medicine (affectionately known as Universal Healthcare)?
Yes, I believe its a stepping stone. And although the flu is probably real (as opposed to created), I believe they are trying to make it bigger than it is (and hoping it will do more damage than it is doing) for this reason. It is on the same line of thought I had on the previous post where government wants to be in control of everything.
That brings to mind another related topic which I think I will start another thread on. How will such healthcare affect Big Pharma?
I think I will start a thread on that here in the conspiracy section because I like the folks here better than the other sections. If I ask the question elsewhere, some of the establishmentphiles will just shoot me down.
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/6/2009 12:00:31 PM
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In the US, 163 people die EVERY DAY as the result of the flu.
Since this media farce has started (about 2 weeks ago), there have been a whopping 1100+ confirmed cases in 21 countries with 26 deaths
Could this be a way to push Socialized Medicine (affectionately known as Universal Healthcare)?
Which was what I was thinking.
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 5/30/2009 11:04:52 PM
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Found this interesting.
US Centers for Disease Control: Swine flu Director's Update Brief, 26 May 2009 (Wikileaks)
I found it interesting, too, and confirmed what we've been saying: mass panic for no reason.
Calculating the percentages, I saw that of all the USA cases, about 4.7% required hospitalization (or less than 1 in 20 people). As for deaths, it was about 0.15%. That's about 3 people per 2000. (about the same probability as winning a straight 3-number drawing lottery).
This definitely is not a serious flu. These hospitalizations and deaths are normal complications that a few unlucky people with any disease get.
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 6/24/2009 11:03:33 PM
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Found this interesting.
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In the U.S., all laws and conditions are now in place to see to it that you are forced to be injected with the new "swine flu" vaccine, whether you want to be or not. In the U.S., the government is now able to mandate universal mass vaccinations at gunpoint.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026496_NaturalNews_vaccination_the_WHO.html
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 6/27/2009 9:39:32 PM
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It's amazing to me that they have prepared millions of immunizations to bring profits to pharm. companies and people are STILL wondering if there is a problem with that?
Even a gun at their head won't be enough to convince some.....
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 10/21/2009 7:41:21 PM
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Bettawrekonize
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FDA has determined that the data from scientific testing and analysis support the use of these lots beyond their expiration dates. FDA has authorized the use of these lots beyond their expiration dates under an Emergency Use Authorization.
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm154962.htm
With the FDA arbitrarily extending expiration dates after some clinical trial, who needs expiration dates anyways? This whole time people were throwing away flu medicine after their expiration date only to have to buy more flu medicine when it wasn't even necessary to begin with and now, all of a sudden, the FDA suddenly extends the expiration date.
I wonder how many other drugs and products don't really expire after their expiration dates.
It's funny watching the FDA make a mockery out of science. SCIENCE? Who needs science? We have the FDA instead. We don't need science to determine the expiration date of anything, we have the FDA. They supersede science.
Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 10/22/2009 5:28:23 AM
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Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law
The lawsuit is a joke. It claims that "The vaccine / adjuvant combination being referred to as the "swine flu vaccine" has apparently never been safety tested or approved by the FDA"
The H1N1 vaccine being used in the U.S. does not contain adjuvants precisely because adjuvants are not approved by the FDA for use in the United States (but are in Europe). There is actually a single clinical trial going on to test the safety of adjuvants but they are not in the approved H1N1 vaccine.
Here's the information from the CDC websit:
Vaccines against novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection are being produced using methods similar to those used for seasonal influenza vaccines. Licensure of vaccines against novel influenza A (H1N1) virus will be based on the same licensure standards used for seasonal influenza vaccines, as is done routinely each year when strains are changed in the seasonal vaccine. Both live, attenuated and inactivated influenza A (H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine formulations will be available initially; as with seasonal influenza vaccines, neither of these vaccines will contain adjuvants.
CDC: H1N1 Vaccine
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 10/22/2009 5:50:27 AM
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It's funny watching the FDA make a mockery out of science. SCIENCE?
So, the FDA funds a clinical trial that demonstrates that the drugs are safe to use beyond their expiration date and somehow they're making a mockery out of science. It seems to me that the FDA has done exactly what the scientific method expects - test a hypothesis in a measurable controlled way with concrete results.
Here's what the press release said: FDA has determined that the data from scientific testing and analysis support the use of these lots beyond their expiration dates.
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 10/22/2009 12:16:23 PM
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Bettawrekonize
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It's funny watching the FDA make a mockery out of science. SCIENCE?
So, the FDA funds a clinical trial that demonstrates that the drugs are safe to use beyond their expiration date and somehow they're making a mockery out of science. It seems to me that the FDA has done exactly what the scientific method expects - test a hypothesis in a measurable controlled way with concrete results.
Here's what the press release said: FDA has determined that the data from scientific testing and analysis support the use of these lots beyond their expiration dates.
So then why weren't the expiration dates correct beforehand? Then their science was originally wrong and only now, that those who sell flu medicine stand to throw away their inventory (now that there is a demand for that inventory) and they would rather sell what they already have than to have to create more medicine, which increases their costs, does the FDA determine that the expiration dates can be extended? Of course they're going to make up some clinical trial to pretend to justify their new findings (duh) but that kinda brings into question the original conclusions about the original expiration dates. and if they were wrong, who's to say the new ones are right? and if it's that easy for false expiration dates to make it on labels, as the FDA has shown by changing the expiration dates, it also brings into question the expiration dates of other products.
My suspicion, the product expires at the point that maximizes profits (ie: minimizes costs of stores having throw away medicine and replace it while maximizing the profits from people who already bought medicine having to either throw away their medicine or consume it before the expiration date and having to buy new medicine). But science. I question how much of it is truly based on science.
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RE: Swine Flu Conspiracy - 10/22/2009 12:26:53 PM
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Bettawrekonize
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The lawsuit is a joke.
The FDA is a joke. These people aren't even elected (they're appointed) and they have very little oversight.
As for the lawsuit, it doesn't look like Jim Turner can really win this legally, I just brought the link here because it seemed relevant to the thread (not that I agree with his position legally).
Also found this interesting
FDA, FTC threaten Dr. Weil over immune-boosting supplements for H1N1 swine flu (opinion)
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Right on! 
What will they talk about now??? Poor things. By the way, I survived. :)) And so did the others. :)) 
