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I found this interesting.

Ron Paul's position on the swine flu.

Congressman Paul on the Recent Swine Flu Scare

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So then why weren't the expiration dates correct beforehand? Then their science was originally wrong and only now, that those who sell flu medicine stand to throw away their inventory (now that there is a demand for that inventory) and they would rather sell what they already have than to have to create more medicine, which increases their costs, does the FDA determine that the expiration dates can be extended? Of course they're going to make up some clinical trial to pretend to justify their new findings (duh) but that kinda brings into question the original conclusions about the original expiration dates. and if they were wrong, who's to say the new ones are right? and if it's that easy for false expiration dates to make it on labels, as the FDA has shown by changing the expiration dates, it also brings into question the expiration dates of other products.

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I was told that they had not recieved the seasonal vaccine, and did not know when or if they would.

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ORIGINAL: gcsmithjr
The FDA doesn't set expiration dates, the drug manufacturers do. They are required to provide a window of time in which they guarantee that the medication will remain chemically stable.

Expiration dates have been studied several times, and each time the FDA has found that most - but not all - medications, if stored correctly, are good for much longer than the period of time guaranteed by the drug manufacturer.

Here's a Johns Hopkins article that addresses expiration dates: Johns Hopkins Health Alert

Unfortunately, most people don't store their medications correctly so the expiration dates are conservative. In the case of the Tamiflu in question, the FDA analyzed specific lots of the drug to make sure they're still fully chemically active, and these specific lots are.

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ORIGINAL: gcsmithjr

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I was told that they had not recieved the seasonal vaccine, and did not know when or if they would.

It seems strange that they never received it. If you really want the seasonal vaccine you might check with Walgreens or CVS to see if they have any in your area. There's also a website called "findaflushot.com" that lists the local places and times that are offering flu shots.

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Because Tamiflu is synthesized to mimic shikimic acid found in the Chinese Medicine herb Star Anise, it is a counterfeit medicine. The real medicine is made by Mother Nature. Pharmaceutical companies pirated the molecules from nature (biopiracy) in order to manufacture their own counterfeit medicine in a lab. Beware of counterfeit medicines promoted on the internet through mainstream media stories or CDC propaganda.

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You are being tracked if you receive meds for the swine flu

Surescripts is using information supplied by pharmacies to document how much Tamiflu and other antivirals are being dispensed to patients. The company is giving the data _ categorized by zip codes of the pharmacies where the medicine is dispensed and the age group of the patient receiving it _ to epidemiologists at the state health department.

source http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/US/Default.aspx?id=738452

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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize

More swine flu conspiracy stuff.

Beware the Tamiflu counterfeit scam

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Because Tamiflu is synthesized to mimic shikimic acid found in the Chinese Medicine herb Star Anise, it is a counterfeit medicine. The real medicine is made by Mother Nature. Pharmaceutical companies pirated the molecules from nature (biopiracy) in order to manufacture their own counterfeit medicine in a lab. Beware of counterfeit medicines promoted on the internet through mainstream media stories or CDC propaganda.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027322_swine_flu_medicine_vaccines.html

I actually tend to agree that natural medicine works better and I don't trust the FDA et al when it comes to synthetics. However, there is incentive to pirate natural medicine and patent it while outlawing it in its natural form to avoid allowing people to get the safer and more effective unpatented version despite the fact that the Chinese people have been using these herbs, with the pirated ingredients, for a very long time (ie: see my red yeast rice and the FDA post). To me this is just more evidence of how our patent system makes medicine even worse.

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ORIGINAL: gcsmithjr
So, the FDA funds a clinical trial that demonstrates that the drugs are safe to use beyond their expiration date and somehow they're making a mockery out of science.

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I wish I can trust the FDA more but with reports that keep coming out like this and this it's very difficult for me to trust anything they say or do. The decision makers at the FDA are unelected and are held virtually unaccountable for their actions no matter how bad (ie: see my thread on The FDA and health).

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ORIGINAL: gcsmithjr
As for them being elected, I don't think we really want the people at the FDA to be elected - most of them are scientists and physicians. That seems to make more sense than having a bunch of elected officials trying to make decisions about food safety and medical issues.

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I don't want unelected officials to pass laws. Unelected officials have no business passing laws (or taking away our health freedoms for that matter).

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BTW, Ron Paul is a doctor so there is no reason why the people won't elect doctors, especially given that they know that doctors and scientists are most qualified for running the FDA given its role in government.

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Do you really want congress to vote on whether a new medication should be allowed on the market or whether a medication should be removed from the market?

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

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Do you really want congress to vote on whether a new medication should be allowed on the market or whether a medication should be removed from the market?

NO NO NO..................
That's why we oppose obamacare...........(hillarycare revamped)............

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ORIGINAL: MyCatSmokey2006

I was going to start a thread about this, but thought I'd post it here instead.

WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO, KILL EVERYONE OVER 40 YEARS OF AGE? The reason why I'm asking this is that I know someone who's unable to get either the vaccine or tamiflu, despite her teenager having swine flu. They did give tamiflu to her younger son, because he just been seriously ill the month before, but nothing for her.

Even though I have asthma, I can't get the vaccine, because according to the doctor's office, it's not that serious to call a chronic health condition. I live with family members who are over 65 years old, one of whom is on oxygen.

Other older people in the U.S. who cannot get the vaccine and who had chronic health conditions have died from the swine flu. The emphasis seems on vaccinating the young and leaving us older people to fend for ourselves. It's like, you get the swine flu, well tough (tos word)!

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I haven't heard of any deaths lately, despite a NATIONAL EMERGENCY...have you?

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Even though I have asthma, I can't get the vaccine, because according to the doctor's office, it's not that serious to call a chronic health condition. I live with family members who are over 65 years old, one of whom is on oxygen.

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ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

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Do you really want congress to vote on whether a new medication should be allowed on the market or whether a medication should be removed from the market?

NO NO NO..................
That's why we oppose obamacare...........(hillarycare revamped)............

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