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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/6/2009 1:04:37 AM
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I listen to this heresy at times. The idea I get from Mr. Camping is that he is a date setter and he believes the church age has ended. In other words, going to church in not needed because the Holy Spirit left.
I do not believe a word he says, but I do enjoy him battling through his open forum call in show and I do enjoy when they spend time just reading the word of God.
The only reason I listen at all is because I like shortwave radio and he is all over the dial. I also listen to pastors talking about UFOs and alien talk. I also enjoy the conspiracy shows. It is mostly bunk, but it is entertainment. Talk radio is what helps me fall asleep at night. That is why I listen.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/7/2009 5:46:51 PM
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In my area we have a horrible nickname for Mr. Camping, "Skeletor", and that's because in New Jersey we can watch him on WFME-TV, a cable must carry station that plays video rebroadcasts of Open Forum. Since he is sitting in a chair on a Television set and not in front of a board, their is no dump button, so alas we get to watch him sneeze alot.
As for his theology, I'm not so worried about his prescence in America, where their is plenty of resources to combat his nonsense. It's that all of these programs are being translated into hundreds of Languages for rebroadcast all over the world. His influence specifically in Africa is pretty scary.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/21/2009 1:09:59 PM
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The bible in the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic is trustworthy. All of these new translations make it seem as if the bible can be translated in many, many different ways which is untrue.
I guess I’m the only one in this thread who believes the day of judgment begins on May 21, 2011, but I read the bible and question everything (1 Th 5:21). I would encourage everyone to do be dilligent and do the same.
It's two years before the earthquake (Amo 1:1). Not much time left.
May God bless us and be merciful to those reading.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/21/2009 4:49:56 PM
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The bible in the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic is trustworthy. All of these new translations make it seem as if the bible can be translated in many, many different ways which is untrue.
I guess I’m the only one in this thread who believes the day of judgment begins on May 21, 2011, but I read the bible and question everything (1 Th 5:21). I would encourage everyone to do be dilligent and do the same.
It's two years before the earthquake (Amo 1:1). Not much time left.
May God bless us and be merciful to those reading.
Why do you ignore the Word of God when it says that no one knows the day?
Harold Camping is a false prophet and a false teacher.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 8:55:08 PM
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Why do you ignore the Word of God when it says that no one knows the day?
I can explain that verse if you're interested.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 9:08:38 PM
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Why do you ignore the Word of God when it says that no one knows the day?
I can explain that verse if you're interested.
If it's the same diatribe that Harold Camping uses - to make a passage walk on all fours - no thanks.
No one but God knows the day, sorry buddy.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 9:18:58 PM
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No one but God knows the day, sorry buddy.
Is Jesus God?
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 9:26:36 PM
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Is Jesus God?
Yes, and I know where your line of thought is going. So I ask: are you familiar with the hypostatic union?
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 10:19:35 PM
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Here's a verse: Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one
And I'll ask: is anyone righteous?
What about Abel, Job, Abraham, and all of the true believers in their soul existence?
So, we can't read a verse and understand it unless we read everything the bible has to say about it, no?
Please enlighten me on the hypostatic union. I am not familiar with that phrase.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 10:30:24 PM
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Here's a verse: Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one
Jesus is righteous and praise God for His grace.
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So, we can't read a verse and understand it unless we read everything the bible has to say about it, no?
Context is key - Scripture interprets Scripture. Harold Camping being the false prophet and false teacher that he is does not understand this. It's not about isegesis, but exegesis.
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Please enlighten me on the hypostatic union. I am not familiar with that phrase.
"The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.
Jesus' two natures, human and divine, are inseparable. Jesus will forever be the God-man, fully God and fully human, two distinct natures in one Person. Jesus' humanity and divinity are not mixed, but are united without loss of separate identity. Jesus sometimes operated with the limitations of humanity (John 4:6, 19:28) and other times in the power of His deity (John 11:43; Matthew 14:18-21). In both, Jesus' actions were from His one Person. Jesus had two natures, but only one personality.
The doctrine of the hypostatic union is an attempt to explain how Jesus could be both God and man at the same time. It is ultimately, though, a doctrine we are incapable of fully understanding. It is impossible for us to fully understand how God works. We, as human beings with finite minds, should not expect to totally comprehend an infinite God. Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35). But that does not mean Jesus did not exist before He was conceived. Jesus has always existed (John 8:58, 10:30). When Jesus was conceived, He became a human being in addition to being God (John 1:1, 14).
Jesus is both God and man. Jesus has always been God, but He did not become a human being until He was conceived in Mary. Jesus became a human being in order to identify with us in our struggles (Hebrews 2:17) and, more importantly, so that He could die on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins (Philippians 2:5-11). In summary, the hypostatic union teaches that Jesus is both fully human and fully divine, that there is no mixture or dilution of either nature, and that He is one united Person, forever."
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 10:45:28 PM
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wow, havent thought about this in a while. Yep.....i used to listen as a teen in the 90's and got caught up in the whole 1994 thing w/my parents. He helped to change the whole course of my life.......and my family's life. Its been quite a journey out of this.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 10:49:49 PM
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>>Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).<<
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
This is only part of the reason why Jesus is called the Son of God.
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 10:53:59 PM
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Paul_Jerome,
The post was to give a very brief/summary of what the hypostatic union is. A plethora of books and volumes have been written as to who Jesus is.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 11:02:30 PM
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My question is if Jesus is God and Jesus is called the 'Son of God' because He was born (Luk 1:35) and raised from the dead (Rom 1:4) then when did that happen?
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 11:05:42 PM
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My question is if Jesus is God and Jesus is called the 'Son of God' because He was born (Luk 1:35) and raised from the dead (Rom 1:4) then when did that happen?
When did what happen?
And if I may repeat my question to you from a few posts back - who do you say Jesus is?
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 11:17:11 PM
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I certainly don't know everything about God and the Son of God and the hypostatic union, but I do know that the bible teaches that God died before the world was created (Hbr 4:3, 2Ti 1:9, Rev 13:8) and was raised as the Son of God (Rom 1:4) and all things were created by the Son of God (Col 1:13-16).
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 11:19:42 PM
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I certainly don't know everything about God and the Son of God and the hypostatic union, but I do know that the bible teaches that God died before the world was created (Hbr 4:3, 2Ti 1:9, Rev 13:8) and was raised as the Son of God (Rom 1:4) and all things were created by the Son of God (Col 1:13-16).
Maybe if I bold my question this third time it will be a bit more clear:
Who do you say Jesus is?
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/22/2009 11:26:36 PM
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Jesus is the Son of God. Sorry, I thought I mentioned that.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/23/2009 3:57:27 PM
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Jesus is the Son of God. Sorry, I thought I mentioned that.
Do you agree with the following?
Jesus is God. He and the Father are One - Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/23/2009 4:15:53 PM
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The bible in the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic is trustworthy. All of these new translations make it seem as if the bible can be translated in many, many different ways which is untrue.
I guess I’m the only one in this thread who believes the day of judgment begins on May 21, 2011, but I read the bible and question everything (1 Th 5:21). I would encourage everyone to do be dilligent and do the same.
It's two years before the earthquake (Amo 1:1). Not much time left.
May God bless us and be merciful to those reading.
Paul_Jerome,
If you believe that the day of judgment is indeed on May 21, 2011, then you are putting your faith in a man who taught it would happen back in September 1994. Because that prophecy failed, Harold Camping is a false prophet.
You also follow a false teacher because of his calling all who hear him to depart out of the churches and instead create leaderless believers fellowships based on his teaching. To paint all churches as false and corrupt, to say that the Holy Spirit is no longer working through them, is to commit the same sin that Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, Herbert W. Armstrong and Jim Jones committed. They are the respective founders of the Latter-Day Saints (Mormons), Jehovah's Witnesses, Worldwide Church of God and People's Temple--all of them cults. In like manner, Mr. Camping is also a cult leader.
The Worldwide Church of God, however, repented of its heresy following the death of Mr. Armstrong and is now an orthodox, Bible-centered church. I believe and pray that Family Radio might follow in their footsteps when Mr. Camping himself passes away. I too used to listen to FR but finally was prompted by the Holy Spirit to shut it off because Camping has finally gone off the deep end.
Given the back-and-forth debates you have had with other posts on this thread, I am convinced you are a hardline devotee of Mr. Camping and nothing I could ever write could cause you to question whom you follow. Instead, I will be praying that our Lord, who Himself is Truth, will bring people, places and circumstances into your life that may open your heart to the simplicity of the Good News of Jesus Christ. I encourage everyone else who reads this to do the same.
I am listening online to Redeemer Broadcasting, a radio network out of Olivebridge, NY which used to be affiliated with FR but severed its ties because of Mr. Camping's heretical anti-church teachings. I invite you to listen to it at www.redeemerbroadcasting.org and read why they abandoned their old network.
I also encourage you to read the book "Dangerous Airwaves!" by James White, which documents why Mr. Camping teaches false doctrine.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/23/2009 4:16:27 PM
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The bible in the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic is trustworthy. All of these new translations make it seem as if the bible can be translated in many, many different ways which is untrue.
I guess I’m the only one in this thread who believes the day of judgment begins on May 21, 2011, but I read the bible and question everything (1 Th 5:21). I would encourage everyone to do be dilligent and do the same.
It's two years before the earthquake (Amo 1:1). Not much time left.
May God bless us and be merciful to those reading.
I guess you are. If by judgement beginning you mean the end of times I think your date is a little to far off. I think we entered the beginning of the end of times a while ago. However, I do not know when this time will be completed nor do I know when Jesus will return. Anyone, and I do mean anyone who says they know is a liar. According to scripture even the angels of heaven do not know the time.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/23/2009 7:56:35 PM
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I certainly don't know everything about God and the Son of God and the hypostatic union, but I do know that the bible teaches that God died before the world was created (Hbr 4:3, 2Ti 1:9, Rev 13:8) and was raised as the Son of God (Rom 1:4) and all things were created by the Son of God (Col 1:13-16).
I have just looked up all of the above Scripture references in my New King James Bible, and I cannot understand how Paul can claim that "God died before the world was created" unless these individual verses are taken out of context and their meaning twisted to fit an already decided-upon belief... something that Harold Camping is very good at and employs in all his false teachings.
Hank Hanegraaff of the "Bible Answer Man" says that all cults ultimately come about from a misunderstanding of the nature of God. Paul clearly does not understand the nature of God based on his previous posts, especially his claim that God died before the world's creation. God never died per se; God the Son, Jesus Christ, was crucified at Calvary and was buried in the tomb, but that Person of the Trinity never ceased to exist nor entered into a state of "soul sleep" or stasis. Remember He told the thief on the cross "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise" (Luke 22:43 NKJV; context Luke 22:39-46).
I ask again that everyone who reads this post please pray for Paul that he will be set free from the Family Radio cult; the Holy Spirit's intervention can make this possible.
I also ask that everyone please keep to the original subject in my opening post: If you are a FORMER Family Radio listener, why did you quit listening? The sidetracking arguments about other stuff distracts from the subject matter. Thanks.
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/23/2009 8:00:17 PM
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wow, havent thought about this in a while. Yep.....i used to listen as a teen in the 90's and got caught up in the whole 1994 thing w/my parents. He helped to change the whole course of my life.......and my family's life. Its been quite a journey out of this.
RosieCotton,
If you are a former Family Radio/Harold Camping listener and was set free from its false teachings, I invite you to tell us how that came about. It may help those in the same situation you were once in. That's why I created this thread in the first place.
God Bless,
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RE: Any former Family Radio/Harold Camping listeners ou... - 6/23/2009 8:13:13 PM
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Do you agree with the following?
Jesus is God. He and the Father are One - Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
Yes.
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I will be praying that our Lord, who Himself is Truth, will bring people, places and circumstances into your life that may open your heart to the simplicity of the Good News of Jesus Christ. I encourage everyone else who reads this to do the same.
Thank you for that. And I actually found this thread in a Google search for "Gabriel Otero" and "Family Radio", so obviously I have some degree of interest in hearing what every side has to say about an issue. In the end, though, all we have is God's Word and anyone who trusts in man is cursed (Jer 17:5).
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However, I do not know when this time will be completed nor do I know when Jesus will return. Anyone, and I do mean anyone who says they know is a liar. According to scripture even the angels of heaven do not know the time.
Job 24:1 Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?
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