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Question - 5/21/2009 5:35:21 AM
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roscoeoz
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Hello brothers. I'm new to this forum. Is this a good place to come to receive advice that is challenging, but at the same time compassionate and non-judgemental? If not, then I'll go elsewhere.
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RE: Question - 5/21/2009 11:21:44 AM
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E_Lin
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Challenging and compassionate? Yeah, you'll find that here. As for non-judgemental, well, every family has its black sheep. And there is a chance you will find some of them here as well, but they are usually easily ignored and you will not find yourself alone in letting them know they are not welcome. Assuming, of course, that you do not plan to come in here blaspheming and violating the TOS at every opportunity. Then you should be OK. 
And honestly, if you decide to go elsewhere, and find a site that doesn't have any judgemental types in it, let me know where you found it. I would like to see someplace like that myself. 
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RE: Question - 5/21/2009 1:08:24 PM
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mec
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Come, sit and chat for awhile, if you need to release something, do it here.
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RE: Question - 5/23/2009 2:06:14 PM
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jn1010lf
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Hello roscoeoz
Let me respond to your question this way. I and 72 year old and have been down many roads. So, the days of playing games is over for me because I've faced many hard realities of life. So, it's natural for me to answer one's questions directly. I jokingly tell people that age is creeping up on me, so I have the right to be ornery.
Seriously though, if a guy lives a wild life of loose women and boos, I know that such a life ends up in sorrow at some place down the road. So, my logical response is to advise a guy to develop a relationship with the Lord. I say that because I've learned about the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is life. That's not from religion of theology but from real experience.
I also assume that anyone asking questions on a Christian forum really wants to find some Christian based answers. To that, I'll say that experience has taught me that Jesus Christ is the answer to all things because He is life itself.
Now, I can sympathize with guys that experience things due to no fault of their own. Jesus said that we would have troubles in this life but to take heart, as He has overcome this world. So He will take us through them and bring victory in our lives.
But do understand that you may find a variety of reactions on any forum or even in face to face contacts. So, take all responses with the grain of salt. Take what you perceive as being godly counsel and sluff off any flames that come in the disguise of true wisdom.
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RE: Question - 5/24/2009 12:29:20 AM
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roscoeoz
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So far, that's some good advice there. A little bit about my background: I'm in my early 30s, and have been a Christian for 20 years. In my line of work, and in the circles I move in, I get to meet a lot of Christians, and find that it pays to be discerning about who you go to for advice. Some people aren't much help; they either miss the point entirely, give you platitudes, or condemn you.
I see that Crosswalk also has a singles forum, but I've come here because I want a male perspective. I'm single, and always have been. When you get to my age and haven't met anyone yet, you wonder what's going on. I don't feel that God is calling me to renounce marriage for the sake of serving Him.
A few years ago an older Christian challenged me about this. These things just done happen. For comparison he talked about unemployed Christians who pray that God would give them a job, but then don't apply for any.
There's a lot of mixed messages out there. I'm reasonably well-read in this area, having read the arguments both for and against dating from a Christian perspective. Basically I want some advice about being more proactive about meeting my future wife in a way that honours God.
I'm introverted, but not a hermit or a pew warmer. I socialise regularly and am also active in my local church. I get to meet plenty of quality Christian women.
I'd prefer replies or advice by PM if possible.
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RE: Question - 6/6/2009 2:16:23 AM
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yankeedoodled
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Non-judgmental is mainly a misunderstanding either with political purposes or a disdtortion of understanding God's Word. Look up judge in a Concordance and read ALL the scripture pertaining to it. You should then see.
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RE: Question - 6/6/2009 9:43:12 AM
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Hello Roscoe,
I will say this is one of the better forums that I've been in.
But you will find wackos & judgemental people on any forum including this one. Just ignore them and find the useful stuff in what is said to you.
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RE: Question - 6/6/2009 9:29:55 PM
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yankeedoodled
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Beware of those that counsel Godlessness, contradiction to scripture.
Let the Lord speak to you (scripture) and the counsel of men afterward that the blind might not lead you into the ditch they are in.
Ex 18:22 -And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
Le 19:15 - Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
De 25:1 -If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.
Isa 1:17 - Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Joh 7:24 - Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Joh 8:15 - Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Joh 8:16 - And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
1Co 5:12 - For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 6:2 - Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 - Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 - If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1Co 6:5 - I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1Co 10:15 - I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
1Co 11:31 - For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
< Message edited by yankeedoodled -- 6/7/2009 8:10:08 PM >
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RE: Question - 6/7/2009 8:32:55 PM
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yankeedoodled
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Scripture is a beating, just the Word of God you don't want to see or hear. Highlighted to make it easier.
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RE: Question - 6/7/2009 10:51:45 PM
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roscoeoz
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Yankeedoodle, I take your point, but be assured that I have a healthy reverence for God and His Word.
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RE: Question - 6/8/2009 1:11:22 AM
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yankeedoodled
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How odd for many to go to a Christian website to discuss and find scripture intolerable ergo allergies. What's next ? God cannot/ought not, be expressed account of similiar allergies ? I was responding to E_Lin and others, roscoez.
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RE: Question - 6/8/2009 10:50:58 AM
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E_Lin
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quote:
ORIGINAL: yankeedoodled
How odd for many to go to a Christian website to discuss and find scripture intolerable ergo allergies. What's next ? God cannot/ought not, be expressed account of similiar allergies ? I was responding to E_Lin and others, roscoez.
Do not put words in my mouth, or on my posts, yank. The problem with doing that is that anyone can go back to my posts and see that I did not say what I am accused of. Where did I say I found scripture intolerable? How did I compare reading scripture to dealing with allergies? Oh, that's right, I didn't.
My point, as insensitive as it may have seemed (and I apologize for my ascerbic wit), is that I see nothing to be gained by filling up an entire page with quote after quote from scripture. I have no problem with anyone who would quote a few verses of scripture in their post (few = up to three, and no more than four unless absolutely necessary). But 14 scripture verses?!?!? In one post?!? C'mon, yankeedoodled...
I have read through the Bible many times (as I am sure most here have as well), so I am only trying to point out that I do not find that excessive scripture posting (beating) to be the least bit encouraging. To the contrary, I am offended by the need of some to post as many verses as can either fit or be found, whether or not they apply to the OP. 
See, roscoeoz? This kind of stuff goes on all the time. And by stuff I mean the banter back and forth between two people who disagree with each other, and occasionally push each others buttons. But even though we might think that the other is either wrong or has completely lost their mind (or their Faith...), we all keep coming back for more. Because, honestly, if we all just agreed with each other all the time, this place would get pretty boring. It's good to have and discuss differing opinions, because that gives us the chance to truly evaluate our own. Iron sharpens iron and all that. 
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RE: Question - 6/9/2009 11:40:57 PM
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yankeedoodled
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Perponderance of the evidence becomes a necessity to those that engage heavily into denial. Of course the next step is how wrong it is to produce evidence that makes the points made undeniable. You don't want too much proof/scripture to contradict your opinions, do you ?
C'mon, confession is good for the soul.
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RE: Question - 6/10/2009 11:07:31 AM
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E_Lin
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quote:
ORIGINAL: yankeedoodled
Perponderance of the evidence becomes a necessity to those that engage heavily into denial. No, preponderance of the evidence is done by those who are capable of thinking for themselves. The only denial is in the subconscious minds of the ones who are incapable of seeing a point of view that is contrary to their own. Making them see only what they choose to see. quote:
Of course the next step is how wrong it is to produce evidence that makes the points made undeniable. There is nothing wrong with indisputable evidence. There is nothing wrong with using the Bible to support and argue your position. But just because a piece of scripture comes out of the Bible, does not mean it is "undeniable evidence". If a person asks me why God allows suffering in the world, I don't have much of a leg to stand on when I say to them:
John 11:35 - "Jesus wept."
Although I am sure Jesus is not pleased by the suffering in the world, that really doesn't make for much of an argument to a non-believer. I should really try harder than that.  quote:
You don't want too much proof/scripture to contradict your opinions, do you ? I have never shied away from scripture that was used to rebuke me for a position I had taken, or an opinion that I had come to have. And as far as using scripture to support my positions, I always try to go for quality, not quantity.
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C'mon, confession is good for the soul.
Go ahead, get it off your chest...
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"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom? Quite astonishing..."
- Death (from the book "Hogfather" by Terry Pratchett)
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RE: Question - 6/11/2009 12:03:32 AM
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yankeedoodled
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Strain at a gnat, swallow a camel comes to mind.
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Also, be repaired for a barrage of Bible quotes...have some quoters who will whop you over the head with passage after passage after passage. 
