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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/26/2009 4:23:26 PM
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I agree gluttony is a sin...but that is not the reason for weight gain in many cases for women.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/26/2009 4:27:05 PM
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Is there a double standard?
Yes, In general, I believe women are more sensitive regarding weight criticism than men. I believe this is due to another more powerful double standard. In general, men are valued for what they have accomplished and women are valued for what they look like. This is cultual and anti Biblical, but many people fall into these thought patterns.
So, when women hear criticisms about their bodies, they take it much more personally because it is a self esteem issue. Women are also more sensitive to criticisms regarding hair styles and clothing for the same reason.
To make matters worse:
The standard of beauty today is very difficult for women to achieve. For most women it is not a natural body shape and requires a great deal of effort. In other periods in out history women were valued for their very curvy frames and I don't mean Catherine Zeta Jones curvy.
I once saw a vintage ad for an elixer to help women gain weight. The before picture looked like a Marilyn Monroe. The after picture had a woman with large thighs, huge breasts, chubby arms and 2 fat rolls on the stomach. I have looked everywhere for an image to post but I have not found it yet. I'll keep looking. It is eye opening to do a search for images of standards of beauty throughout time. It is worth the effort for anyone interested.
Women should be able to eat 3 normal, cultually appropriate meals with their family and have an exercise program that includes daily tasks of chasing and playing with children, gardening, family walks and bike rides etc. and still be considered attractive weight wise. I really think that this has to be God's design. Did he design us to spend hours in a gym or worrying about every calorie that goes into our mouths?
No one should be a glutton, but most women hold plenty of padding without being anywhere close to gluttonous.
Satan's meddling:
I am convinced that the shift in our culture towards this unrealistic standard of beauty is one of Satan's many attempts to get the church off course and distracted. So many Christian women today are spending so much time and energy trying to meet these cultural standards in an attempt to be good wives when that time could be better spent reaching the lost for Christ. (I am sure that men fall prey to this too)
I am completely guilty of this myself.
So what to do?
We have to train ourselves to see things the way God sees them. We have to constantly be in prayer to see what is beautiful in His eyes... We need to ask what is the best way to use our time? What should be our priorities?
Just my thoughts....
Well said.
I will say that the effort to be a good wife or husband (read : God's definition of a good wife or husband) has to work in the home first. If it does not work there, it does not work anywhere.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 12:22:43 PM
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Please understand, this is for most people. I think that there are people who are genetically disposed to carry more weight than others who are "skinny". And I don't want to forget those who have a medical issue that may contribute to being larger. I am not talking about the small amount of people who have a real issue and cannot lose weight.
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But back to gluttony. I think that the outward appearance does apply to most people when talking about gluttony. It's the most obvious sign when determining that specific sin.
How do you even know it applies to "most people"? In assuming that it applies to "most people" you are making an automatic judgment that this is the case when you see someone who needs to lose weight?
A few points...I would say that for most of the women I know who are overweight, it is a combination of age, hormones, and lack of physical activity. Perhaps a matter of not eating the "right" foods enough and perhaps a matter of portion control.
But I would not make the jump that poor portion control = gluttony. Most restaurants super-size their servings, for example. It's easy to eat more than a correctly sized portion even while still leaving a lot on the plate! Gluttony implies an intent to be a pig. Also, as people age and their metabolism slows, their caloric intake may have to be reduced in order to not gain.
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My younger daughter, who is doing a local missions outreach this week, had a good point. Many poor people have to rely on foods that are not the healthiest in order to survive. Canned vegetables that are high in sodium, etc. Canned fruits that have high-fruitose corn syrup added. The low-salt or no-sugar added versions may be more expensive. They may not be able to afford fresh vegetables and fruit to the extent of having five servings a day. They may subsist on things like generic mac and cheese, which are inexpensive and filling but fatty. Lean meats cost more - take a look at your local grocery's hamburger and see which type is least expensive - and take a look at the chicken pieces and see what's least expensive. And don't say, well, they can just have a vegetable garden, because living in inner cities doesn't generally lend itself too well to that.
I've got to go now, because I'm going to the gym before it closes today. But not before I write down my points used so far today in my Weight Watchers program. So...if you happen to come across ME I certainly hope you're not assuming that I am either a glutton or not doing anything about taking care of myself.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 12:57:51 PM
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Those "thyroid problems" that many say are excuses, are in reality are quite common in this country. They aren't few and far between, or rare. I know issues with that can affect one's ability to lose weight; I'd keep medical problems in mind before judging that pleasantly plump person that's close. (Of course, there are more than just thyroid problems that can affect weight gain/loss.)
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 1:35:05 PM
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There are always health issues to consider. I personally believe that insulin resistance is a very common issue.
Another thought that I had referring back to the OP is that there are also sometimes underlying emotional issues. If there is a new pattern of drinking those huge Starbucks sugar loaded drinks and ice cream, she might be trying to comfort herself.
Many people eat inappropriately to self soothe (most of the time not aware of what they are doing)...this is technically a sin in my book because we need to take things to God not to food. The underlying stress or worry and the emotional eating might be the culprit. Emotional eating can be a difficult thing to overcome. ( I have been guilty of this)
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 2:13:53 PM
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This thread makes me sad because this has been the main issue between my wife and I...
It makes me feel like she doesn't love me enough or doesn't care enough to attempt to stay in shape. Like I am not worth the effort. I know that I should love her for who she is and I do more than anything, but it would make me feel greatly loved if she just made an attempt and seemed to care instead of just having a "love me as I am" attitude. I know that this is selfishly driven by my desire to have a physically attractive wife, but I can't help but wonder "why won't she just care enough to make an effort?" It also know that it doesn't help that I am a workout freak.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 2:35:49 PM
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Wow, I just read my last post and I sound like a whiny, selfish wimp. Sorry, but Satan has been using this issue to try and drive a wedge between my wife and I. I tried to express to her that I feel loved when she makes an effort to stay in shape, but the result was her thinking that I don't find her attractive despite my constant reassurances (I still find her very attractive) and a horrible body image on her part along with problems in the bedroom relating to security and trust. Not sure what to do now that I've messed everything up. Maybe I should have just kept my mouth shut.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 2:59:04 PM
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William, you could have simply encouraged her by inviting her to join you in your exercise routine (and find a sitter for the kids if you have any) or by complimenting her every time you see her making an effort in dressing nicely, getting her hair done, etc. That in and of itself would probably have accomplished much more than letting her know your aren't happy enough with her body right now.
Do you know why your wife feels insecure in the bedroom and has a "horrible body image"?
When people in this thread say a spouse is "letting themselves go" what do yall mean? To me, it means the spouse doesn't have good hygiene, doesn't dress nicely, and doesn't care what their hair looks like. If that's the case I'd have a talk with them. But weight is a different issue. It's much more personal and complicated than a dress or hairstyle.
I agree that a woman should try to look like a woman and should take care of herself but I don't think it means she has to be thin. A large woman who takes care of herself can be just as beautiful as a thin woman who does the same.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 3:13:50 PM
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I have tried to invite her to exercise and she will go on occasion with me, but I travel alot (military), and if don't ask her to go, she rarely will on her own. I tried to be as encouraging as I could, but I guess that I was too persistent and that turned in to her thinking I was not satisfied with her body which translated into trouble in the bedroom, well, not so much trouble as insecurity and things of that nature.
I do not know if there is a good way to address "weight" concerns with your wife without hurting her feelings. Again, I think maybe I should have just left it alone.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/27/2009 3:20:17 PM
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william, it seems like there's a lot going on here, and I think (and you seem to know) that you two aren't going to be able to address any single issue you've mentioned except in the context of all the others, as they all all appear interrelated. Maybe you guys should consider marriage counseling. (If you have somewhere mentioned that, and I have missed it, I'll feel sheepish and apologize.)
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/28/2009 7:57:46 PM
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William, at least you are understanding that Satan can use this issue to drive a wedge, and that sometimes we can have mixed motives with this sort of thing. IMO, Elizabeth's suggestion that you address the inter-related issues together in counseling is a good one.
Men can "let themselves go" too. We've had a challenge in our family because of my husband's diabetes. It took his blood sugar levels getting into the 300's range for him to get somewhat serious about it. He's an OTR trucker and doesn't get much exercise (but, hey, I have seen guys at the truck stop walking the perimeter of the parking lot, iPod and headphones on, so I know some people have found ways to deal with that).
I go shopping with him when he's home and show him healthy foods that he doesn't have to refrigerate, that he can have on the truck to snack on. I can make healthy meals when he's at home (and I do). I can encourage him to eat right when we eat out (and, to his credit, on his birthday, he ate the healthiest thing on the menu at Olive Garden - no pasta - and only a half a breadstick).
But I can't be there with him every time he chooses what to eat. Believe me, I know what a temptation convenience stores can be (and most truck stops are convenience store/fast food combos)...but he could still get the salads at the truck stop fast food place, and chose the low-fat salad dressing, and chose grilled chicken over fried, and chose the lowest fat/lowest carb breakfast possible. He could buy low-fat sugar-free yogurt at the convenience store, and possibly fresh fruit as well. Ultimately he has to make the choice.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/29/2009 5:51:28 PM
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This thread makes me sad because this has been the main issue between my wife and I...
It makes me feel like she doesn't love me enough or doesn't care enough to attempt to stay in shape. Like I am not worth the effort. I know that I should love her for who she is and I do more than anything, but it would make me feel greatly loved if she just made an attempt and seemed to care instead of just having a "love me as I am" attitude. I know that this is selfishly driven by my desire to have a physically attractive wife, but I can't help but wonder "why won't she just care enough to make an effort?" It also know that it doesn't help that I am a workout freak.
William, Thanks for being so open and honest. I do not think that you are being a wimp in any way shape or form. You are simply stating what most men feel, and that is effort is everything.
How to talk with your wife is another matter altogether. Difficult to say the least. I don't thnk that it's wrong for you to feel unloved because your wife has stopped putting forth effort. I know that this is not a popular viewpoint, but as men, we feel that effort is important.
There are some good suggestions here, but the best one that I have is to simply talk with your wife.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/29/2009 6:45:45 PM
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Ross.Lang,
Let me take a stab at it. Weight is a sacred cow in today's Christianity, plain and simple.
I see that you posted a logical question, but many of the responses you're getting are emotionally based. You'll never be able to have a logical, fact based conversation with a person driven by emotions. I don't know how many times you've stated and restated your intentions, but people still come back to the argument THEY want to have. It's not only Christianity that suffers from this, many other aspects of our lives do as well. Politics for one, if you mention a statistic or something innocently to a politically charged person, they will be all over it with their side of it, whether that was the point of your conversation or not. It won't matter how many times you try to correct them, they'll go back to their passionate emotional argument.
I've had it happen to me with race. Two team members about the same height, weight, general build and hair color were doing something at the end of the field. I asked my friend about it and he asked which one do you mean? I said the black one. The lady in front of me went all the way off and started reading me the riot act calling me a bigot (and then some). My statement was not racial at all, it was descriptive. Race was the easiest and most discernible way to differentiate the two players. When people hear a 'white guy' say 'the black guy' they jump to the wrong conclusion. Usually there is no straightening them out.
Here's my opinion and this goes for men, women and children. We are to use our spiritual maturity along with the Word of God to take our behavior under control. If you're meeting that Biblical mandate that's all you need to do. If your body regulates itself at 20lbs over some computer generated chart, who cares as long as you're eating healthy and doing the things you know are right. Weight is only part of that Biblical principle, we should dress, speak, eat, drink, learn, study, meditate, work, deal honorably, etc. all as unto the Lord.
Now, I've often told people that a good, Godly marriage is when his greatest pleasure is pleasing her, and her greatest pleasure is pleasing him. That would encompass so many more things than weight, but the outward look would still be a part of the equation. My wife and I often ask each other when buying clothing, "do you like this?" Obviously I like it or I wouldn't have tried it on. I want to know if it pleases her as well.
Things that are out of our control don't really matter do they? If my wife wants me to make more money, I may be able to begin a process that will eventually meet that expectation but it's not something I can just go out and do today. It's actually something♠ we may have to work together and support each other on. I may need to go to school, serve an apprenticeship etc. If a persons body is predisposed to hold weight, that's a non issue because we can't change it. If there's disability or medical conditions etc. we can't change that either.
On the fasting issue, I think I understand the point you were attempting to make, but fasting is done as God calls us to. It's not about weight loss and I don't believe it ever was intended to be. I'm no doctor but have been told that's the wrong way to go about loosing weight. To be healthy it needs to be a lifestyle change, just like everything God changes within us.
Finally, if outward appearances are so un-spiritual and register so low in the Christian importance meter, why is it that so many Christian women have cosmetic surgeries, wear so much jewelery, make up and such expensive clothing? Why is it when women go out on dates (married or not) they dress up? Teeth whiteners, straighteners, diet pills, Christian diet support groups and the list goes on. I am curious why these obviously visual, appearance based activities are accepted and even encouraged, but weight which is certainly part of the appearance equation is still taboo.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/29/2009 8:25:34 PM
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Finally, if outward appearances are so un-spiritual and register so low in the Christian importance meter, why is it that so many Christian women have cosmetic surgeries, wear so much jewelery, make up and such expensive clothing? Why is it when women go out on dates (married or not) they dress up? Teeth whiteners, straighteners, diet pills, Christian diet support groups and the list goes on. I am curious why these obviously visual, appearance based activities are accepted and even encouraged, but weight which is certainly part of the appearance equation is still taboo.
People disagree over those things too. 
I think one thing is that beauty is in the beholder's eye. I know women who are fine being plump, but a loved one isn't fine with him/her being that size. I guess it's hard to say to do something cosmetic solely for someone else's happiness (at least in my mind), and sometimes making them happy means you're unhappy. If the spouse is unhappy with something "cosmetic," should you fix it to make the other person happy (assuming there aren't health concerns)? What if fixing it means you're now unhappy? How far do you go? If you lose the weight for them and they have a list of other things you can "fix," do you try to fix those too? I understand when the weight is unhealthy; many times it is. Sometimes it's not.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/29/2009 10:18:54 PM
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Now, the question is, do such issues HAVE TO be logical, or is it OK for them to be emotional? After all, God made us human, not Vulcan.
Right, and since appearance/attractiveness is SUBjective and not OBjective, all the more reason people come to it from an emotional standpoint.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/29/2009 10:23:11 PM
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If you take care of your body you will be fine. You may gain some weight but if you do eat healthy and stay active you should still be attractive. However too many Americans just let themselves go because they don't think they can stay in shape. Our marriages will benefit if we do our best to not let ourselves go.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 12:13:14 AM
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Yes, weight can (and often is) an emotional issue, which is why it's such a hot topic.
Now, the question is, do such issues HAVE TO be logical, or is it OK for them to be emotional? After all, God made us human, not Vulcan. 
Not Vulcan logic, but certainly some amount of Godly logic, call it wisdom if you like.
I agree that weight is an emotional issue for many if not most.
If you think about it, the original poster posed a legitimate question and while I agree that this will always be an emotionally charged topic most of the answers/accusations did not address the original question. Even an emotional response should be on somewhat on topic and definitely contain more discussion and a lot less hostility and accusation.
I believe that our emotions are one of our greatest gifts as well as being one of our biggest stumbling blocks. The Bible advises us not to be lead by our emotions. Love, anger, sorrow etc. are dealt with to a great degree in God's Word. Yes we have emotions, that's the way God made us. He also gave us His Word and Spirit to temper them and keep them under control.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 10:01:08 AM
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I agree with you. But I think the answer to his question in the OP (discarding 10 pages of responses) is that it's an emotional issue, and thus a sensitive one.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 12:15:26 PM
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I agree with you. But I think the answer to his question in the OP (discarding 10 pages of responses) is that it's an emotional issue, and thus a sensitive one.
We are in agreement.
Just because it's an emotional, sensitive and usually misunderstood issue does that justify the church body sliding it under the proverbial rug? No one likes to hear negative things about themselves, but it's part of the learning process for us humans. Even if it hurts me or makes me angry for a while I'd still rather someone tell me the truth about myself than cover it up or avoid it completely. (Proverbs 27:6)
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 1:22:46 PM
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The thing is I don't see a lot of scriptural basis for how we view and treat the weight issue in these threads. What does Scripture say about the various aspects of this?
These things are thrown out: "our bodies are temples" "they're lazy" "God made men visual" "gluttony is a sin" but the scriptures that these things allude to are not much looked at or addressed.
Weight would be a very difficult situation to address while avoiding the beam in one's own eye especially in marriage.
I think the big mistake the church makes is when they do address weight, it's viewed as a spiritual issue when it's primarily a health issue.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 3:29:44 PM
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The thing is I don't see a lot of scriptural basis for how we view and treat the weight issue in these threads. What does Scripture say about the various aspects of this?
These things are thrown out: "our bodies are temples" "they're lazy" "God made men visual" "gluttony is a sin" but the scriptures that these things allude to are not much looked at or addressed.
Weight would be a very difficult situation to address while avoiding the beam in one's own eye especially in marriage.
I think the big mistake the church makes is when they do address weight, it's viewed as a spiritual issue when it's primarily a health issue.
I think that there is scriptural basis for this "weight issue" thing. The scripture speaks against lazyness because it brings a man to ruin and how gluttony is a sin and even that our bodies are temples to glorify God.
I believe that it is a spiritual issue as well as a health issue. Spiritually because it deals with being able to control your own desires (in this case, the ability to stop eating when you have eaten enough).
Paul talks about our spiritual life as an athlete who competes and/or runs a race. He compares the two as good and the physical is the model for the spiritual. Paul made the comparison because the people of the day could understand the physical, and Paul then made the analogy to the spiritual.
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Yeah, sorry, but gluttony in the bible is about rebellion and riotous behavior, not about eating more calories than is scientifically ideal.
I am afraid that I don't agree with your assesment of gluttony from the bible. While you are correct in saying that gluttony is about rebellion and possibly could be stretched to say that it's riotous behaviour, it specifically talks about gorging yourself on meat. Bottom line on this one is that I believe that God wants us to be healthy and states so when He speaks of gluttony. (Please remember that I have narrowed down what God wants becuase this is the forum for it)
When we don't trust God for our daily bread, but continue to eat and thus become overweight (I am talking specifically about this American culture in 2009) we are saying to God, I do not trust you to provide me food for tomorrow. And not trusting God is a sin.
The Israelites has a simular issue when they were in the desert. They could only gather food for one day (with the exception of the Sabbath) or the food would spoil. They were forced to trust God for their daily provision.
God wants us to be healthy both physically and spiritually and states so when he give us the law, the Proverbs and other "rules" to live by in the bible.
Also, something that helped me in determining what may or may not be a sin. A sin is something that hurts yourself or someone else. In other words, sin is sin not because it's forbidden; a sin is a sin because it's harmful.
Overeating does a lot of damage to our bodies, and when we couple that with not exercising, it wrecks havoc on our bodies. Knees, back and hips, diabetes, heart disease, not to mention our self image. The list goes on and on.
I hope this helps.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 3:42:57 PM
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I think the big mistake the church makes is when they do address weight, it's viewed as a spiritual issue when it's primarily a health issue.
I believe each person is different. For some it will be a health and/or medical issue while for others it will be a spiritual issue or more to the point an obedience (to scripture) issue. I think one of the places the body needs to address is the 'blanket' manner in which many topics are taught, preached, gossiped about, etc.
As far a quoting scripture concerning the 'perfect' weight, I don't believe there is one. However there are plenty of references concerning bringing our flesh into submission to the spirit. I realize I'm coming at this from a different angle than most. I'm not looking for the perfect weight or appearance in my wife or myself , I'm just trying to be as obedient to God as I can. Like I've stated before weight and appearance is a very small portion of the equation, however for many of God's children it is a part of that equation. Like any other lesson God has given, for some it will come easy, for others it will be a constant uphill battle.
For those engaged in the lifelong uphill battle, they need our support and encouragement. For those who simply ignore God's Word they need to be told that they are in disobedience, even if that disobedience is an emotional, sensitive subject. Telling them they are in disobedience should not be done in a condescending, judgmental, unfeeling manner, the Bible says to speak the truth in love. That goes for anything, not just weight. I believe Christians should put forth an effort to address and rectify the things God has revealed to us. If it displeases God I don't want to do it. I'm not implying I'm perfect, I'm a long way from it but I 'strive' to be holy as He is holy.
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RE: Why does weight get the shaft? - 6/30/2009 3:52:55 PM
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You know, I'd love to be in better shape. I'm not fat, per se, but I'm more, well, fluffy than I was in college.
Here's the deal though.
If you want your wife to be in better shape, you'd darn well better be ready to make some sacrifices so she has the time to do so.
I work two part time jobs from my home, take care of our two children (a toddler and an infant) fulltime, and do all the cleaning and cooking and related shopping myself. I get maybe 6 hours of sleep a night as it is. When do I have time to work out, exactly? My husband's made vague references to the fact that we should both work out, but if he won't at least either go with me to help with the kids or watch the kids while I do it, how is that going to work? In the meantime, the carpet might not be as clean and dinner may very well be late.
If you want to demand certain fitness standards from your wife, you'd better be ready to take on some of the stuff you expect out of her so she has time to do so.
Approach it as "honey, why don't I make dinner and you can go take a walk" will work way better than "you're unattractive to me, go lose some weight" will, I guarantee it. Plus you can fix something healthy...
I think sometimes weight gets the shaft because it's the straw that breaks the heavily laden she-camel's back.
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